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Why are we hating all the men?

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Why does it feel like everywhere I look on social media, there's some annoying twat bleating on about men and oppression. I get that this isn't a new phenomenon, but imo it's worse now more than ever. "Feminists" have given themselves authority on male social standing, and I feel they see everything now through a lense of male authority. Everything is sexist, misogynistic, and due to the patriarchy.
And have set the goal posts on what men can and cannot be offended by.

What was once an expression of female humanity, seeking to free itself from male authority and thus promote equality of the sexes- has been transformed into female superiority. And pissing men off seems to now to the bread and butter of femisnism.

Many women, myself included, have had awful experiences with men. Sure, there are men out there who are assholes, and there are women out there who are assholes- assholes don't tend to be gender specific.
I am just so sick of this toxic femisnism- it's everywhere, and it's annoying.

Secured in the notion of a "rape culture" is the stipulation that considers all men to be rapists. I do not want to live in a society which sees my brother, father, and boyfriend as rapists. This rape culture theory disgusts me. Something needs to happen as it's a seriously damaging supposition and one that I do not subscribe to.

But to oppose of such an unfair concept means I'm betraying women apparently, and denouncing my gender. I've been called a Man's Rights Activist because I oppose certain views. I'm not a MRA,(or am I? Who knows) but if I was, is that meant to be an insult? I don't get it. Do men not have rights that need advocating as well? Or is it always just women whom are treated unfairly/oppressed/exploited?

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The Fake Sheikh wrote: »

It is out there in this country.

Replies are disgusting so maybe don't read...

https://twitter.com/jpy_kurdish/status/861404580768362496

Wow what a horrible nasty piece of work

Mountainsandh

Murrisk wrote: »

I dunno. I'm 33 and went through an "OMG, women are so oppressed, ALL men are assholes, I'm a feminist!" phase in my early-mid teens. It passes. (for most) It's more a developmental phase, IMO, to be a bit sanctimonious (and frequently hypocritical) because you believe you should fight for popular, clichéd causes without thinking about it all too deeply. It's nothing new, from what I can see.

Yeah, good point, definitely.
Although I think the context is important. If you go through that phase, and the rest of society is balanced enough, you'll fall on your feet and find your genuine thresholds and opinions with maturity ; as the current propaganda contaminates more in our everyday life, like social media, cinema, TV, newspapers, etc... I think it is more likely that young people will be more "tainted".

I'm not explaining very well what I think

If "the new normal" is for young women to feel victimized and to assume that males must be approached on the defensive, then even if they go through that phase like you're saying, and come out the other side as reasonable people, their original yardstick is still a bit "off".

I don't think it's a very big threat, this feminism trend in real life either.

It's just that in the context of more and more people remaining in a lingering state of "adolescence" and young adulthood mentally, feminism seems more of a bother, imo. (even in real life society)

Calhoun

cloudatlas wrote: »

We need to think about citizenship as including everyone. Feminism is about women asking that power structures that we are ALL confined by are changed. Feminism is beneficial to men as well as it's about women having more visibility, more of a say, which boost fairness, wellbeing and is better for us as a society to be on an even keel, to say that feminism is about man hating is reductive and certainly some of the posts on this thread have been frivolous which takes away from the real problems here. We need to make society more inclusive and feminism helps in that aim and casts light on other areas where inclusiveness in not in effect also.

I feel sometimes if a woman shouts 'I am a victim of this' men clam up and say 'i am a victim' of your generalised misandrism, not all men' but that is not the issue, the issue is much much bigger it's about social roles, values, institutional power, gender pay gaps. Don't fall into the trap of being reductive!

Example: Child care is still mainly the role of the female in society, the woman will work part time while men continue on with their career. The role of women in child birth is already reflected in maternity leave but after that there is no reason why child care should not be shared or the woman given the choice to continue on her path but still the majority of people you see at the school gate are women. I don't know about the Dail but in the house of commons around 75% percent of men in parliament have children, less than 50% of women in the house of commons have children. The conclusion is that it's harder for women to have children and be in a high powered job, women have to have a supportive or rich partner for them to be able to have both whereas it is easier for men to have both. This paradigm operates in other industries as well.

As another poster said men are exposed to men on men violence but women are exposed more to men on women violence. We need to ask why, where is the failure? I feel sick opening the newspaper sometimes reading the violent acts perpetrated against women. How, why is society failing these young men?

The media still portrays women as commodities and something that men deserve.

Language also plays a part, if a man shys away from something or isn't good at a sport he has either done it 'like a girl' or he is 'a pussy'. Women are referred to as farm animals; Cows, Chickens, Bitches etc., For a while on after hours posters were allowed to reply to posts with 'blast her with piss'.

I need feminism and I don't agree with the O.P's attempt to repackage it and make it about 'hysteria' and 'man hating'.

The problem with this post is feminism has become more than what you portray it as, it is still fighting for the rights of women where it needs to be but parts of it also has an objective to be anti-man.

Feminism as it currently stands is not a benefit to men, we have seen many examples of late including on boards (the foreign lady telling men to but out of the referendum).

Just from todays independent look at this http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/inside-the-womens-prison-society-says-she-deserves-what-she-gets-but-the-child-is-also-impacted-by-this-35709316.html . Could you imagine if it was the other way around.

Please don't fall into the trap of being a hard core anti-male feminist. We have already seen what you think of men with your dismissal of this thread earlier on.

red ears

The Fake Sheikh wrote: »

It is out there in this country.

Replies are disgusting so maybe don't read...

https://twitter.com/jpy_kurdish/status/861404580768362496

Imagine one sex saying "know your place" to another sex in this day and age. It's outrageous.

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Elemonator wrote: »

I know what you mean OP. I myself have come across this on social media. A specific one would be "mansplaining". Basically no man of understanding can explain anything to a less knowledgeable female without talking down to her. It's a stupid term to explain the clashing of personalities.

Don't refer to it as feminism though OP, real feminism which promotes equality between men and woman no real man would have a problem with. Toxic feminism would be closer to supremacist.

'Lem

The term "Mansplaining" exposed for what it is

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eyerer wrote: »

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Men as I'm sure you've noticed are now also increasingly portrayed as weak buffoons in advertisements and in drama / films.

I first noticed this in comedies, maybe 20 years ago. In the end I stopped watching them.
The man is always stupid and the butt of jokes, the woman is strong, immune to criticism and always right. I'd hate to see this crap spread to other genres. Another thing I noticed that in a male-oriented drama, say boardwalk empire, the main women are portrayed as strong. If you watch a female oriented program men are either objectified or ridiculed (new Ghostbusters?). Have you seen the yoghurt adverts.. always geared at women and the men wear very little clothes and are portrayed as stupid. Women would never be portrayed like that now but its ok for men.

I wish I didn't notice it because I don't see it changing.

Thing is it's always denied that it's happening

Elemonator

I know what you mean OP. I myself have come across this on social media. A specific one would be "mansplaining". Basically no man of understanding can explain anything to a less knowledgeable female without talking down to her. It's a stupid term to explain the clashing of personalities.

Don't refer to it as feminism though OP, real feminism which promotes equality between men and woman no real man would have a problem with. Toxic feminism would be closer to supremacist.

'Lem

ArchXStanton

Any critque of women's p*ss poor behaviour gets you labelled a misogynist these days..

cloudatlas

We need to think about citizenship as including everyone. Feminism is about women asking that power structures that we are ALL confined by are changed. Feminism is beneficial to men as well as it's about women having more visibility, more of a say, which boost fairness, wellbeing and is better for us as a society to be on an even keel, to say that feminism is about man hating is reductive and certainly some of the posts on this thread have been frivolous which takes away from the real problems here. We need to make society more inclusive and feminism helps in that aim and casts light on other areas where inclusiveness in not in effect also.

I feel sometimes if a woman shouts 'I am a victim of this' men clam up and say 'i am a victim' of your generalised misandrism, not all men' but that is not the issue, the issue is much much bigger it's about social roles, values, institutional power, gender pay gaps. Don't fall into the trap of being reductive!

Example: Child care is still mainly the role of the female in society, the woman will work part time while men continue on with their career. The role of women in child birth is already reflected in maternity leave but after that there is no reason why child care should not be shared or the woman given the choice to continue on her path but still the majority of people you see at the school gate are women. I don't know about the Dail but in the house of commons around 75% percent of men in parliament have children, less than 50% of women in the house of commons have children. The conclusion is that it's harder for women to have children and be in a high powered job, women have to have a supportive or rich partner for them to be able to have both whereas it is easier for men to have both. This paradigm operates in other industries as well.

As another poster said men are exposed to men on men violence but women are exposed more to men on women violence. We need to ask why, where is the failure? I feel sick opening the newspaper sometimes reading the violent acts perpetrated against women. How, why is society failing these young men?

The media still portrays women as commodities and something that men deserve.

Language also plays a part, if a man shys away from something or isn't good at a sport he has either done it 'like a girl' or he is 'a pussy'. Women are referred to as farm animals; Cows, Chickens, Bitches etc., For a while on after hours posters were allowed to reply to posts with 'blast her with piss'.

I need feminism and I don't agree with the O.P's attempt to repackage it and make it about 'hysteria' and 'man hating'.

Murrisk

Mountainsandh wrote: »

I work with young people, and had a bit of a shock today at a 13 year old girl's reaction to a scene in a video.
This was a completely innocuous scene, with something meaningless, but she exclaimed : "What ? but that's sexist !".

I can't even remember what the scene was, this was something like a boy giving a girl a doughnut or something, there wasn't a shadow of anything sexist about it.

Our young ladies are soaking in all of this, so fúckwits or not, their influence is seeping into the real world. There is a generation of young ladies who don't quite understand the ins and outs, but are buying into the victim stance, and the defensive behaviour.

Boys talk about it too, often saying things like : "well I'd better not say that because people will say it's sexist".

I think that's real life.
They're not really "events" as such, more attitudes that I see evolving.

I dunno. I'm 33 and went through an "OMG, women are so oppressed, ALL men are assholes, I'm a feminist!" phase in my early-mid teens. It passes. (for most) It's more a developmental phase, IMO, to be a bit sanctimonious (and frequently hypocritical) because you believe you should fight for popular, clichéd causes without thinking about it all too deeply. It's nothing new, from what I can see.

Achasanai

......... wrote: »

The useful thing about social media is a good representation of what many people really mean when their mask is off.
The political point of view promoted in the mainstream media pretty much reflects a slightly sanitised but aligned view of what you see being promoted on social media. It's the same agenda, just a bit more polished and just worded more carefully, but the same aim.

But online is not necessarily representative of the general population. How many conversations do you have with people that veer into the bile that that woman espouses in the video? Even amongst my feminist friends, there was a lot of eye-rolling when that video did the rounds (and it's very interesting to read that the lack of applause and a visibly uncomfortable crowd as she gets going is being used as proof of support for her views from the crowd). The same goes for the MRA-enthusiasts.

anna080 wrote: »

It's not just exclusive to online. More and more these people are being given a voice and a platform- newspaper columns, tv shows.. are you going to tell me to stop buying newspapers and turn off my tv? Brendan O Connor had a chat show and every week there were three guests, two out of three of these guests were usually these types of loonies. They're usually young women, and the opponent who disgregards their nonsense is usually someone old, usually a man, and is told he needs to get with the times, and something something male privilege.
I could turn off my tv and act like it's not happening, sure. But my point is, this type of hogwash is increasingly becoming the norm.

No, you can read and watch what you like, but just because someone's being given a platform doesn't mean that they are representative of anything close to approaching a majority. People love to see conspiracies, that their ideas are being threatened by a strange new pulse in society but honestly, the Brendan O Connor Show - a show whose sole purpose is to desperately get ratings to justify another season - is not a measure of the zeitgeist. Be more selective in what news and entertainment you ingest and always remember: a columnist or a guest on a talk show is there to increase ratings or subscriptions.

(I'm just guessing regarding the Brendan O Connor Show, as I've only seen it a few times. Those few times were painful enough but if, as you suggest, the format has descended into having 3 guests, with two loony feminists attacking an older man every single week, then I doubt it'll be on our screens for much longer).

eyerer

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Men as I'm sure you've noticed are now also increasingly portrayed as weak buffoons in advertisements and in drama / films.

I first noticed this in comedies, maybe 20 years ago. In the end I stopped watching them.
The man is always stupid and the butt of jokes, the woman is strong, immune to criticism and always right. I'd hate to see this crap spread to other genres. Another thing I noticed that in a male-oriented drama, say boardwalk empire, the main women are portrayed as strong. If you watch a female oriented program men are either objectified or ridiculed (new Ghostbusters?). Have you seen the yoghurt adverts.. always geared at women and the men wear very little clothes and are portrayed as stupid. Women would never be portrayed like that now but its ok for men.

I wish I didn't notice it because I don't see it changing.

retro:electro

Achasanai wrote: »

The internet makes everything seem louder than it is. If this hadn't been captured and put on Twitter, it would've just been the ramblings of an increasingly angry person venting. Nobody would remember it. It's also worth noting that the crowd gets visibly awkward and audibly silent as her speech continues.

A while ago, I disconnected from Facebook, stopped interacting with Boards as much as I had previously, stopped reading below the comments line on The Journal and sites like that. You don't hear the crazies as much and you realise that they are in the complete minority, as they have always been (as evidenced by never meeting them in real life). This applies to people like the woman in the video, the Una Mullally types, the MRA-types, the Conor McGregor types. They're not reflective of the vast majority of society.

It's not just exclusive to online. More and more these people are being given a voice and a platform- newspaper columns, tv shows.. are you going to tell me to stop buying newspapers and turn off my tv? Brendan O Connor had a chat show and every week there were three guests, two out of three of these guests were usually these types of loonies. They're usually young women, and the opponent who disgregards their nonsense is usually someone old, seen as a dinosaur, usually a man, and is told he needs to get with the times, and something something male privilege.
I could turn off my tv and act like it's not happening, sure. But my point is, this type of hogwash is increasingly becoming the norm.

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Achasanai wrote: »

The internet makes everything seem louder than it is. If this hadn't been captured and put on Twitter, it would've just been the ramblings of an increasingly angry person venting. Nobody would remember it. It's also worth noting that the crowd gets visibly awkward and audibly silent as her speech continues.

A while ago, I disconnected from Facebook, stopped interacting with Boards as much as I had previously, stopped reading below the comments line on The Journal and sites like that. You don't hear the crazies as much and you realise that they are in the complete minority, as they have always been (as evidenced by never meeting them in real life). This applies to people like the woman in the video, the Una Mullally types, the MRA-types, the Conor McGregor types. They're not reflective of the vast majority of society.

The useful thing about social media is a good representation of what many people really mean when their mask is off.
The political point of view promoted in the mainstream media pretty much reflects a slightly sanitised but aligned view of what you see being promoted on social media. It's the same agenda, just a bit more polished and just worded more carefully, but the same aim.

Achasanai

The Fake Sheikh wrote: »

It is out there in this country.

Replies are disgusting so maybe don't read...

https://twitter.com/jpy_kurdish/status/861404580768362496

The internet makes everything seem louder than it is. If this hadn't been captured and put on Twitter, it would've just been the ramblings of an increasingly angry person venting. Nobody would remember it. It's also worth noting that the crowd gets visibly awkward and audibly silent as her speech continues.

A while ago, I disconnected from Facebook, stopped interacting with Boards as much as I had previously, stopped reading below the comments line on The Journal and sites like that. You don't hear the crazies as much and you realise that they are in the complete minority, as they have always been (as evidenced by never meeting them in real life). This applies to people like the woman in the video, the Una Mullally types, the MRA-types, the Conor McGregor types. They're not reflective of the vast majority of society.

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Stonedpilot wrote: »

Most men wont speak up against this nonsense as they fear upsetting the other half.

I think they should start by asking their other half to watch it, and see what they think.

The woman's actions will be defended/dismissed by saying she is 'just a lone nutter' . . . but thing is they can't hide the obvious applause, co-operation and approval of the crowd.

Stonedpilot

......... wrote: »

I think the short video is plenty to get the agenda, there's only so much bile and hatred you need to listen to.
The real eye opener is the cheers and applause from the crowd for it.

This bile and hatred amazingly is considered passion for the rights of an oppressed people by the media.

retro:electro

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Huh?

Rape culture does not prescribe that all men are rapists.

It does not even claim that all men who engage in rape culture are rapists.

Rape culture disgusts me. Every time I hear a man saying he'd smash it, how he'd leave her bleeding, how he'd drive her head into the headboard...that disgusts me. But I do not see that man as a rapist.

Ya. Your friends are assholes. Have you never heard a woman say "I'd ride it til it fell off"?

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The Fake Sheikh wrote: »

It's an old video I seen before. I couldn't find the full video anywhere.
If it was one lone nut that's fair enough but she seems to get a lot of support.

I think the short video is plenty to get the agenda, there's only so much bile and hatred you need to listen to.
The real eye opener is the cheers and applause from the crowd for it.

If a white male stood up and said anything similar about women, it would rightly be exposed by the western media, and pilloried endlessly by the media.
Instead we have a situation where the western media effectively protect and collaborate this sort of thing by covering it up.

Stonedpilot

The Fake Sheikh wrote: »

It is out there in this country.

Replies are disgusting so maybe don't read...

https://twitter.com/jpy_kurdish/status/861404580768362496

People who dont see misandry in society are blind. Look at the hatred in her eyes. What kind of lunatic would allow an unhinged woman rant incoherent hate againt men like that on behalf of their movement?.
Screaming like a banshee.Know your place. What a rude condesending angry thing to be ranting.

Most men wont speak up against this nonsense as they fear upsetting the other half.

Yourself isit

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Huh?

Rape culture does not prescribe that all men are rapists.

It does not even claim that all men who engage in rape culture are rapists.

Rape culture disgusts me. Every time I hear a man saying he'd smash it, how he'd leave her bleeding, how he'd drive her head into the headboard...that disgusts me. But I do not see that man as a rapist.

You need better friends.

Will I Am Not

......... wrote: »

Excellent eye opener.

Every decent person in Ireland should watch this and wake up.

It's an old video I seen before. I couldn't find the full video anywhere.
If it was one lone nut that's fair enough but she seems to get a lot of support.

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The Fake Sheikh wrote: »

It is out there in this country.

Replies are disgusting so maybe don't read...

https://twitter.com/jpy_kurdish/status/861404580768362496

Excellent eye opener.

Every decent person in Ireland should watch this and wake up.

Will I Am Not

It is out there in this country.

Replies are disgusting so maybe don't read...

https://twitter.com/jpy_kurdish/status/861404580768362496

buckwheat

whoopsadoodles wrote: »

I think it's vastly over exaggerated tbh.

Real life just doesn't seem to be the way boards says it is and other than boards, I barely see it as much as referenced anywhere else. (And that's both sides of the fence btw).

This. I'm a man and I'm not in the slightest bit oppressed by crazy feminists. It's all Internet bollocks. Never even encountered one of them in real life and if I did I'd pay no remarks same as any crazy person.

Neon_Lights

myshirt wrote: »

There is a trick here in dealing with this type of angry woman.

If she comes at you with a knife in particular, which can be a frightening experience. What you need to do is maintain composure. Immediately grab some butter, some ham, and some bread. Brown or white, your choice. In will kick her natural instincts and she will make you a sandwich.
Situation defused, but yes, you have to be tactful here, because there is undoubtedly an increasing trend of hatred and violence towards men.

Tried with an avocado, involuntarily got avocado hand

pjohnson

LexieOnRale wrote: »

Women are just as bad for that

I saw a blog post complaining about Baywatch 2017 and how one of the clips showed Efron looking at Daddarrios boobs and how it objectified her especially since she was made jiggle them. Before the exact same post started salivating over The Rocks chest. Modern day feminism is an absolute parody.

[Deleted User]

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

I know you're a lawman Conor. Can you tell me the definition of Rape. It's a very serious criminal offence, right?

The word should not be bandied about so loosely...

Yes, hence I am all too aware that words are used in a wider context than their strict legal definition.

So now you hear of rape being used to mean overcharging in a shop, overtaxing by Government, even receiving bad decisions by a ref...it's used everywhere. Im sure we both agree that those uses are very ugly and trivialise the offence...but in a term that relates to a culture that links sex and violence, I find it more acceptable as short hand...albeit still not entirely accurate.

But not sure the difference between us is that great, we are only disagreeing on etymology, I can live with "frat boy culture".

DEFTLEFTHAND

Deleted User wrote: »

I live in Kerry.

You are confusing actual rape and rape culture. See my post above. Rape culture is certainly not limited to rape as a weapon of war, that completely misses the meaning of the term. I think rape culture is pretty much everywhere you see frat boy culture...

I know you're a lawman Conor. Can you tell me the definition of Rape. It's a very serious criminal offence, right?

The word should not be bandied about so loosely. Frat boy culture is not equatable to rape culture.

You're comparing jocks with actual men who view women as nothing more than vehicles to forcibly ride in a war effort.

[Deleted User]

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

https://twitter.com/RosemaryMacCabe/status/862265037372698624

McGregor is a classic misogynist, though I suspect he would not grasp the meaning of that word.

Many of the words and phrases he uses see women as the yardstick, the very definition, of weakness...so he describes opponents as "bi**hes" and "pu**ies", he talks about women sitting on his "d**k" in a casual tweet etc.