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People on Boards who judge other people

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,565 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    Cupatae wrote: »
    A Phd is a massive deal for most people..

    I think you ll find people will begrudge you less, when you stop using your own version success to belittle other peoples success.

    No matter what your background a PhD is mental. Saying that I don't remember saying I was a success because I had one. I just talked about being encouraged in life towards every success.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,565 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    I can't comment on how Permeabear attracted the comments, I can only speak of my own experiences and I know there are people enjoying watching other people fail. They loathe seeing people do better than them - it's a sickening attitude and although you mightn't have directly encountered it, it doesn't mean it hasn't happened to you.

    Well in the case of some posters it's evident the attitude is the author of the poster's misfortune.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,915 ✭✭✭Cupatae


    I can't comment on how Permeabear attracted the comments, I can only speak of my own experiences and I know there are people enjoying watching other people fail. They loathe seeing people do better than them - it's a sickening attitude and although you mightn't have directly encountered it, it doesn't mean it hasn't happened to you.

    I cant either but going by the his attitude towards other people he deems "less successful" ie people with PHDs i can hazard a decent guess as to why he got the responses he got.

    What you re describing isnt that common, the vast majority of people like to see others doing well, its only when its accompanied with a smugness or a bad attitude that people respond the way you described.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,392 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    No matter what your background a PhD is mental. Saying that I don't remember saying I was a success because I had one. I just talked about being encouraged in life towards every success.

    PhD stands for Permanent head Damage.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 39,019 ✭✭✭✭Permabear


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,962 ✭✭✭r93kaey5p2izun


    Permabear wrote: »
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    You agree that success is feeling like you're living a fulfilling life yet have implied steddyeddy is not yet successful? Have you reason to believe he is not leading a life he feels is fulfilling?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 543 ✭✭✭Solomon Pleasant


    Feeling incredibly under educated as I'm only pursuing my undergraduate degree 😂


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,794 ✭✭✭Aongus Von Bismarck


    I have to say I agree with Permabear on this one.

    Simply having done a PhD is certainly not in and of itself an indication of being a success. I know science PhD graduates who spend their time in dark, dull and dingy labs earning very modest (in some cases menial) wages. Science graduates also tend to not be very social or athletic either so often have limited success on that front as well.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 543 ✭✭✭Solomon Pleasant


    I have to say I agree with Permabear on this one.

    Simply having done a PhD is certainly not in and of itself an indication of being a success. I know science PhD graduates who spend their time in dark, dull and dingy labs earning very modest (in some cases menial) wages. Science graduates also tend to not be very social or athletic either so often have limited success on that front as well.

    As someone studying the same undergraduate course as you did, can I ask what field you completed you PhD in?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,701 ✭✭✭✭Tigger


    Permabear wrote: »
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    Success is a very personal thing, I know a couple who were trying for ages to have a baby.
    Last year they had a baby girl and they are really happy. They both have decent rewarding jobs and are popular in their social circles, I'm glad they are my friends. I think they are sucessfully and have hit a high on the up and down rollercoaster that is life.
    I'm not going to work this week cos it gonna be sunny, I'm gonna play outside with my son and my dogs and probably do a bit of gardening so I'm on mini high on the said same rollercoaster.

    I suppose sucess is feeling that you get more of the ups than the downs.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 39,019 ✭✭✭✭Permabear


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,695 ✭✭✭gizmo81


    "you have to do something in life in order to achieve success"

    And you believe contributing to knowledge with original work isn't doing something?
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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 39,019 ✭✭✭✭Permabear


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,915 ✭✭✭Cupatae


    Permabear wrote: »
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    So what do you define as success what would a person have to present to you in order for you to class them as a successful person?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,949 ✭✭✭✭IvyTheTerrible


    Permabear wrote: »
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    Do you have any data to back that sort of a claim up? Who are you to judge what a significant contribution to knowledge is?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,794 ✭✭✭Aongus Von Bismarck


    As someone studying the same undergraduate course as you did, can I ask what field you completed you PhD in?

    I have not completed a PhD.

    I completed an MBA at Warwick University. Given that is one of the most prestigious MBA programs in the world I consider my results (I placed first on my course) a good indication of success.

    However, I didn't really truly consider myself a success until I made it in Frankfurt. It can be hard to know when you can rightly call yourself a success. For me the moment was an evening in 2014. My market selections were really starting to pay off and I had received kudos for it at work. I left work feeling elated, hopped in my brand new BMW 5 series and headed home to my lavish apartment in one of Frankfurt's most sought after areas. My beautiful partner was waiting for me and had prepared one of my favourite meals (Sea bass with prawn tortellini, fennel purée and white wine sauce). As I sipped my Egon Müller Scharzhofberger Spätlese Riesling, I thought to myself "You've come a long way from the dreary fields of East Galway Aongus. You truly are a successful man"


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,768 ✭✭✭✭tomwaterford


    Feeling incredibly under educated as I'm only pursuing my undergraduate degree 😂

    I only done an apprenticeship :/


  • Posts: 26,219 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    My mother wanted to pursue a particular career that was very hard to get into in those days, especially for girls. She met a fair bit of resistance from some - not all - members of her own family who would have been working/lower middle class, if you were to categorize them. They felt she was reaching a bit too far, had notions, thought a bit too much of herself, and worst of all, thought she was better than the rest of the family etc. She only got to pursue her ambitions by leaving Ireland and studying abroad where she was able to leave that behind, and she felt guilty over it.

    She succeeded in her studies and her chosen career, and while the pointed remarks became far fewer, she still gets the odd jibe that life as it was wasn't good enough for her, and there are one or two who would have really enjoyed her failing and being put back in her place. So there certainly used to be a kind of - if not begrudgery - perception of someone getting above themselves and by extension putting others below them, even if it was very far from the truth. I'm not sure how widespread it was then, but I'd expect it to be much less now. A cousin of my mum told me once that she always thought a lot of herself, and it wasn't meant as a compliment. I think that kind of thing is much rarer these days and upward mobility is much more common and not seen as notiony or threatening anymore.

    I think how people receive success is often to do with how that success is presented. The more discreet you are, the less likely you are to put peoples backs up, if you care about that kind of thing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 543 ✭✭✭Solomon Pleasant


    I have not completed a PhD.

    I completed an MBA at Warwick University. Given that is one of the most prestigious MBA programs in the world I consider my results (I placed first on my course) a good indication of success.

    However, I didn't really truly consider myself a success until I made it in Frankfurt. It can be hard to know when you can rightly call yourself a success. For me the moment was an evening in 2014. My market selections were really starting to pay off and I had received kudos for it at work. I left work feeling elated, hopped in my brand new BMW 5 series and headed home to my lavish apartment in one of Frankfurt's most sought after areas. My beautiful partner was waiting for me and had prepared one of my favourite meals (Sea bass with prawn tortellini, fennel purée and white wine sauce). As I sipped my Egon Müller Scharzhofberger Spätlese Riesling, I thought to myself "You've come a long way from the dreary fields of East Galway Aongus. You truly are a successful man"

    Considering you gained top results from our course, would you have any advice for myself as a second year student in terms of getting better results? Improving my academic performance is generally something I strive for. Yes, it's a disappointment that Frankfurt isn't an option for the Erasmus year abroad in 3rd year!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 39,019 ✭✭✭✭Permabear


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  • Posts: 26,219 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I have not completed a PhD.

    I completed an MBA at Warwick University. Given that is one of the most prestigious MBA programs in the world I consider my results (I placed first on my course) a good indication of success.

    However, I didn't really truly consider myself a success until I made it in Frankfurt. It can be hard to know when you can rightly call yourself a success. For me the moment was an evening in 2014. My market selections were really starting to pay off and I had received kudos for it at work. I left work feeling elated, hopped in my brand new BMW 5 series and headed home to my lavish apartment in one of Frankfurt's most sought after areas. My beautiful partner was waiting for me and had prepared one of my favourite meals (Sea bass with prawn tortellini, fennel purée and white wine sauce). As I sipped my Egon Müller Scharzhofberger Spätlese Riesling, I thought to myself "You've come a long way from the dreary fields of East Galway Aongus. You truly are a successful man"

    I was just thinking what this thread is lacking most is a contribution from AVB. :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,275 ✭✭✭Your Face


    Should I get my cock out?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,695 ✭✭✭gizmo81


    Sorry, maybe I'm missing something but why do you get to define what success is?

    Success is defined as the accomplishment of an aim or purpose.
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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,128 ✭✭✭✭aaronjumper


    Your Face wrote: »
    Should I get my cock out?
    Nah, I left my glasses at home.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 39,019 ✭✭✭✭Permabear


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,949 ✭✭✭✭IvyTheTerrible


    Permabear wrote: »
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    But Permabear, what qualification do YOU have that means you can judge how significant someone's contribution to academia is? And can't you see how UNBELIEVABLY arrogant it is to think you can judge how good a mother someone is?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 39,019 ✭✭✭✭Permabear


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,949 ✭✭✭✭IvyTheTerrible


    Permabear wrote: »
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    In YOUR FIELD. You were in the arts faculty. One could argue about the utility of the humanities as a field of study (not my opinion but you'd have PLENTY of people on here who would).


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,962 ✭✭✭r93kaey5p2izun


    Permabear wrote: »
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    Yeah, I didn't ask your opinion on PhDs or career achievements or aspirations. I asked whether you had reason to believe steddyeddy wasn't leading a fulfilling life, since you deemed him not yet successful, yet agreed with a definition of success as leading a life you feel is fulfilling. It seems you agree with that statement yet you also want to judge others as unsuccessful when you don't actually know any relevant information about them - as you say above. Strange.


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  • Posts: 26,219 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Nah, I left my glasses at home.

    You're cracking me up, Aaron. :)


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