People on Boards who judge other people

steddyeddy

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I would think that the funding proposal and eventual viva would decide that Pbear. Secondly no one has to show you anything. People are simply saying they didn't feel victimised for success in response to your criticism of people who begrudge success. Followed by you criticising people for success.

steddyeddy

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I'll be honest Pbear. Considering your remarks about PhDs the credibility on that one is low.

Permabear

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snowflaker

Some people just like to watch the world burn.

Or throw out outrageous opinions...

Common theme on boards... "Whats your most non populist opinion on X?


Everyone trying to rage against the machine.

Cupatae

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Not everyone can be the special snowflake... someone has to do the dog work, it doesnt make them not successful, a phd no matter what way you look at it, is a success in itself,

A doctor that just works every day and saves lives is every bit as good as the brain surgeons making break thru's in his field.

What im trying to say is there are different ways to be successful, theres no one set criteria the whole "if ur not the best in ur field ur nothing" attitude is abit redundant tbh

steddyeddy

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You can't unless you've done it.

steddyeddy

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That is absolute crap.

IvyTheTerrible

I suppose I can judge how good a father someone is too, then.

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gizmo81

The quote, "Daddy can't buy you cop on at Trinity College", Springs to mind. With the level of education required to complete a PhD one should have the 'cop on' to realise that one cannot judge a situation until they have all the facts.

What was your PhD in?

Permabear wrote: »

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Isn't the whole concept of "success" a bit subjective, vague, relative, changes over time and location etc..

Somebody with a leaving cert in the 1950s was probably considered to hold more prestige in the society of that time than a person with a masters degree nowadays.

Somebody who grew up on a council estate who ends up getting a degree which leads to a good job (say for instance as an accountant) might feel more successful than a person who whose parents were both doctors who wanted their child to follow in their footsteps, and some of whose friends are millionaires.

What people ultimately want from life is to feel content with their lives. One of the main things which causes people to feel discontent is when they assess their situation relative their natual reference points (ie. family, peers, neighbours) with regard to their social status, how prestigous their jobs are, their financial position etc. and find themselves to come up short compared to them. It is humbug to pretend people don't harbour feelings of disatisfaction with themselves when they sense themselves to be low-down the hierarchy of percieved success. It is what drives us all to aspire to "greater things". Our absolute material needs can be fulfilled very easily nowadays. What we all work for nowadays but rarely acknowledge upfront is that we don't want to be considered low-status and to have to suffer psychological discomfort from having to live with this fact. We want to reach a position of what we deem to be acceptable socioeconomic status given our worldview, background, instincts and only then we can afford to delude ourselves that we are not ourselves judgemental, so we can get to feel like good people. We are social beings - our minds are fine-tuned to constantly assess our social status position relative to others, subconsciously or otherwise, and to feel mildly good or bad as a result of that judgement.

People were more content in the past eg. 60s and before, partially because people didn't feel they were expected to "move up" socio-economically. Nowadays being "average" is considered failure. Back then you and all your pals left school young, got married youngish, had kids youngish, worked week by week just to get by, didn't constantly need to think of the long term future, didn't commute for hours a day, had a better sense of community, had a shared experience of material poverty which made it much less bad etc. Nowadays if you don't succeed in life as everyone instinctively understands it, ALL of the fault for this is deemed to rest squarely at your feet since if you are from a working class background you had assistence via grants etc. and people from families who don't get grants are expected to just be able to find the money from somewhere. Even being in the top 10% income wise is not considered successful nowadays, because all that allows you to do is keep your head above water in terms of paying a mortgage in a half-desirable area, living alongside other people in the same situation. So many factors nowadays are just contributing to a lot of unhappiness in my opinion.

edit: And the existence of social media to this more competitive world, when material needs are completely fulfilled and peoples minds have therefore shifted to focus mostly on social status position concerns, has been the extra toxic ingredient which has led to so many people being deeply unhappy in the last decade.

Permabear

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Cupatae

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Your a lone parent, getting 2 or 3 phds, judging everyone else all the while making ground shattering break thru's in your so chosen specialist field... and spending all day arguing about it on boards, is there anything you cant do? are you Macgyver?

steddyeddy

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Your a lone parent, getting 2 or 3 phds, judging everyone else all the while making ground shattering break thru's in your so chosen specialist field... and spending all day arguing about it on boards, is there anything you cant do? are you Macgyver?

Write best selling novels maybe?

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Aongus Von Bismarck

The constant jibing and sly digs at Permabear are silly.

It's blatantly obvious that some posters are unhappy with their own levels of success and instead of taking inspiration from highly accomplished people, they instead decide to take the usual begrudging tone. It's embarrassing

Cupatae

Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »

The constant jibing and sly digs at Permabear are silly.

It's blatantly obvious that some posters are unhappy with their own levels of success and instead of taking inspiration from highly accomplished people, they instead decide to take the usual begrudging tone. It's embarrassing

Its abit ironic, that you complain about sly digs and in the same post throw out a few sly digs, lol When you stroll around with an elitist attitude you can expect to get checked.

To be honest this thread has run its course its no more than low key bragging at this stage. Tell us more about your 5 series there and how your happy to be out of galway ect ect lol :rolleyes:

Solomon Pleasant

Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »

The constant jibing and sly digs at Permabear are silly.

It's blatantly obvious that some posters are unhappy with their own levels of success and instead of taking inspiration from highly accomplished people, they instead decide to take the usual begrudging tone. It's embarrassing

Any inspiring career advice Aongus?

Professor Moriarty

A sub came on for Watford tonight whose name is Isaac Success.

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steddyeddy

So Pbear when should I expect my former council estate friends to make cheap jibes. In other words when can I start to expect the success that according to you has eluded me now? You said you received jibes related to your success. So by your metric I'm not a success (nor PhD holders) but you are.

Jack the Stripper

Macgyver had no PhD.

gizmo81

There is a difference between making judgements on facts rather than beliefs.

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Aongus Von Bismarck

Solomon Pleasant wrote: »

Any inspiring career advice Aongus?

I'm sorry but I don't provide career advice to anonymous strangers.

It is up to you to forge your own path, but Business with German from TCD is an excellent starting point.

Viel Gluck!

Cupatae

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It s come down to that, i mean were you not judging whos a good mother and whether or not people are successful with phd s and that ect, i thought for someone that judges everyone else you wouldn't mind being judged yourself. i do apologize if ive ruffled your feathers! :eek:

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Cupatae

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Or you know they are judging you for the sake of the thread and u kinda brought it on yourself?