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Eir rural FTTH thread

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  • #5372
    rob808
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,391 ✭✭✭rob808


    Bored Accountant wrote: »
    OK, I'm only spitballing here;

    So 400 Office Staff, I think I remember hearing there's about 100 planners.
    So 500 staff working on the roll out from ducting, rolling out the fibre, installing the splitters (& the installs?)
    If we assume each area takes a months effort to pass 400 houses with 20 people working full time. And that still leaves 100 staff to do installs.
    That meets with 10,000 houses passed a month.

    I think thats plausable ?
    It say 400 internal staff so can't see them all being office staff.


  • #5373
    Johnboy1951
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,084 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    rob808 wrote: »
    It say 400 internal staff so can't see them all being office staff.

    Internal staff are those employed directly by openeir, as opposed to external who are employed by KN and others.

    It is reported that 100 of those 400 are in planning and logistics etc.


  • #5374
    Turfwarrior
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 46 ✭Turfwarrior


    rob808 wrote: »
    FTTH not affected by distance unlike copper you get your full speed all the time.

    Thanks, Donadea is going live 3rd may and I see on their network map that's its an FTTN? They have extended the core fibre network to here via clane /prosperous why wold it only b FTTN & what speeds could you expect from this?

    I too am sceptical about the planned rollout figures/dates, sure didn't Naughton state after this new announcement at the start of the month that he was more concerned about quality and not the speed of the rollout?! Say the penalties for not meeting their target will be very minimal.

    On another note how can you be certain which exchange you will be receiving from?


  • #5375
    knipex
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,018 ✭✭✭knipex


    Peppa Cig wrote: »

    Got out of my VF Feb 2018 contract.

    How ??


  • #5376
    Peppa Cig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,005 ✭✭✭Peppa Cig


    knipex wrote: »
    How ??

    1. When I signed up for 12 month BB (2mb) I asked if I could upgrade if faster speeds became available as VF said I could. FTTH now soon available but they do not provide FTTH so I put it to them that they could not fulfill their promise at time of contract.

    2. They said my line was showing a "red flag fault". I think because of distance from exchange (think we are at outer extremity).

    3. At 1-2mb I told them it was not fit for purpose (trying to operate a business from home)

    Some raised voices but they released me for one or more of above reasons.

    Some have said that Eir will contribute €200 to release from VF to new eir contract but don't know full details


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  • #5377
    damienirel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 949 ✭✭✭damienirel


    Bored Accountant wrote: »
    OK, I'm only spitballing here;

    So 400 Office Staff, I think I remember hearing there's about 100 planners.
    So 500 staff working on the roll out from ducting, rolling out the fibre, installing the splitters (& the installs?)
    If we assume each area takes a months effort to pass 400 houses with 20 people working full time. And that still leaves 100 staff to do installs.
    That meets with 10,000 houses passed a month.

    I think thats plausable ?

    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ - I'm only guessing too.
    I know they are a long way off 10,000 a month at the moment.

    I think they are consistent in one thing and that's vastly overestimating their ability as a company that gets things done.


  • #5378
    knipex
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,018 ✭✭✭knipex


    Peppa Cig wrote: »
    1. When I signed up for 12 month BB (2mb) I asked if I could upgrade if faster speeds became available as VF said I could. FTTH now soon available but they do not provide FTTH so I put it to them that they could not fulfill their promise at time of contract.

    2. They said my line was showing a "red flag fault". I think because of distance from exchange (think we are at outer extremity).

    3. At 1-2mb I told them it was not fit for purpose (trying to operate a business from home)

    Some raised voices but they released me for one or more of above reasons.

    Some have said that Eir will contribute €200 to release from VF to new eir contract but don't know full details

    They contacted my wife a few months back and told her the cost of our package was going up but if she signed up for a new 18 month contract she would get a special discounted rate..

    4 months later.... You agreed to a new contract. Of course you can end it anytime you like

    14 months x monthly fee = early exit payment..


  • #5379
    Turfwarrior
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 46 ✭Turfwarrior


    plodder wrote: »
    I'm one of the 70,000 to be done by the end of June, but there hasn't been a dicky bird around since the tree clearance last year. I hope they do it, but I'll be pleasantly surprised if they do.

    Yea, me also...a good few poles replaced with FP inscribed on them.no S or F & there has been no activity since..


  • #5380
    Bored Accountant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 357 ✭✭Bored Accountant


    damienirel wrote: »
    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ - I'm only guessing too.
    I know they are a long way off 10,000 a month at the moment.

    I think they are consistent in one thing and that's vastly overestimating their ability as a company that gets things done.

    26000 premises passed in 2 months...yes way off target...

    Yes they defo over estimated the 100,000 passed by March, but I think that may just have been somewhat strategic waiting for the contract & NBP to be agreed and they now have a whole load in thier pocket they can suddenly start reporting as being completed.


  • #5381
    damienirel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 949 ✭✭✭damienirel


    Bored Accountant wrote: »
    26000 premises passed in 2 months...yes way off target...

    Yes they defo over estimated the 100,000 passed by March, but I think that may just have been somewhat strategic waiting for the contract & NBP to be agreed and they now have a whole load in thier pocket they can suddenly start reporting as being completed.

    Well I don't believe what they tell the media about 26k in 2 months :p


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  • #5382
    Bored Accountant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 357 ✭✭Bored Accountant


    damienirel wrote: »
    Well I don't believe what they tell the media about 26k in 2 months :p

    No I think thats from NAVI's figures, if you look at his spreadsheet linked back a number of pages ago.


  • #5383
    KOR101
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,898 ✭✭✭KOR101


    Bored Accountant wrote: »
    No I think thats from NAVI's figures, if you look at his spreadsheet linked back a number of pages ago.
    It was 22,000 and they didn't start from zero two months ago.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=103143835&postcount=4551


  • #5384
    tsue921i8wljb3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    KOR101 wrote: »
    It was 22,000 and they didn't start from zero two months ago.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=103143835&postcount=4551

    Yes that figure is the total since the 30th September 2016 when the first rural premises were announced. It seems that they are now counting premises that have fibre passing them even though the service may not go live in the immediate future.

    Just in relation to what pegasus1 posted here. If you are in an area that has been cabled but has not been given a definitive live date can you post it in the thread and I will add those areas to the alternative map.

    If you are not sure about whether the cable is fibre a good indicator is these dead end clamps at poles.

    415927.jpg


  • #5385
    plodder
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,769 ✭✭✭plodder


    Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »
    Yes that figure is the total since the 30th September 2016 when the first rural premises were announced. It seems that they are now counting premises that have fibre passing them even though the service may not go live in the immediate future.
    I'm nearly sure the agreement with the government stipulates that anyone who wants to be connected, can be within a certain number of weeks of being passed (or that 95% of those who request it, get it). So, however they are counting things now, they can't really do that going forward.


  • #5386
    KOR101
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,898 ✭✭✭KOR101


    plodder wrote: »
    I'm nearly sure the agreement with the government stipulates that anyone who wants to be connected, can be within a certain number of weeks of being passed (or that 95% of those who request it, get it).
    I did check the definitions

    "Premises Passed" means for:

    (a) a wireline network, when a Premises for which the wireline network has a Distribution Point sufficiently close to that Premises such that High Speed Broadband Services can be provisioned for that Premises; and

    (b) a wireless network, when a Premises for which the wireless network has sufficient signal quality for that Premises such that High Speed Broadband Services can be provisioned for that Premises,

    and eir has listed the status of the Premises as 'ready for order' on the eir NGA Plan File.

    So, the premises do not need to be 'Connected' which does have a defined period in which Eir must make the actual connection. The premises 'can be provisioned' because the fibre is close, appears to be enough.


  • #5387
    KOR101
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,898 ✭✭✭KOR101


    It is a bit curious that the milestones stop at "Premises Passed" not "Premises Connected". I don't mean actual connections, just according to the definition, premises where a connection request can be made.


  • #5388
    ED E
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,170 ✭✭✭✭ED E


    Well that's up to end users and retail operators. OE could pass every house tomorrow but would have no connections for months due to existing contracts.


  • #5389
    damienirel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 949 ✭✭✭damienirel


    KOR101 wrote: »
    It is a bit curious that the milestones stop at "Premises Passed" not "Premises Connected". I don't mean actual connections, just according to the definition, premises where a connection request can be made.

    Curious is one word alright.:D


  • #5390
    tsue921i8wljb3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    KOR101 wrote: »
    I did check the definitions

    "Premises Passed" means for:

    (a) a wireline network, when a Premises for which the wireline network has a Distribution Point sufficiently close to that Premises such that High Speed Broadband Services can be provisioned for that Premises; and

    (b) a wireless network, when a Premises for which the wireless network has sufficient signal quality for that Premises such that High Speed Broadband Services can be provisioned for that Premises,

    and eir has listed the status of the Premises as 'ready for order' on the eir NGA Plan File.

    So, the premises do not need to be 'Connected' which does have a defined period in which Eir must make the actual connection. The premises 'can be provisioned' because the fibre is close, appears to be enough.

    As far as I know the numbers published on the Openeir map come from that NGA Plan file. It will be interesting to see how many premises are ready for order after the next map update.


  • #5391
    Gonzo
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,411 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    also there are some errors in the premises passed. The guy who installed ours said there has been times he was called to do a FTTH install only to find no splitter box on the poles for the poor customer and aborted install. I wonder how many of these are there.

    There is definitely one in my area. Our area was wired up before Christmas and there is still a missing splitter box o n the road near me and the houses near that box are all passing.


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  • #5392
    KOR101
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,898 ✭✭✭KOR101


    ED E wrote: »
    Well that's up to end users and retail operators. OE could pass every house tomorrow but would have no connections for months due to existing contracts.
    The 'Connection Request' is up to end uses and retail operators. A 'Connected Premises' is one where a 'Connection Request' can be made, and that's totally up to OE.

    But it all confusing because the 'Premises Passed' must be listed in the NGA as 'Ready for Order' which you would think means the same as 'Premises Connected', but clearly doesn't.

    [edit] Or does the retail operator take it from the pole to the house?


  • #5393
    Johnboy1951
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,084 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    Bored Accountant wrote: »
    26000 premises passed in 2 months...yes way off target...

    Yes they defo over estimated the 100,000 passed by March, but I think that may just have been somewhat strategic waiting for the contract & NBP to be agreed and they now have a whole load in thier pocket they can suddenly start reporting as being completed.

    I look at it this way ....... they made a quasi-start last October on the 'blue-line' roll out.
    They had no agreement in place and so rather hedged their bets ....... not surprising since they did not want to put in a lot of work that might be wasted if they did not get agreement and also lost out on the NBP.
    So they had a lot of preparatory work done and a bunch pf premises passed ....... sufficient to show gov that they were serious (is my guess).

    Once the agreement was signed, they went full speed at those places that had preparatory work done, and rolled out the fibre to immediately up the count of premises passed. So I tend to believe the present figure since the agreement was signed (includes those premises passed prior to agreement but since Oct).
    So the big question is can they get the roll out to maintain speed to keep the numbers up to the agreement.
    The June figures will tell us a lot.

    If they make the June 70,000 then it might seem they have their act together and their 'plan' is working.
    No doubt they are tweaking their work practices as time passes and information about cause for delays is reported back to planning.

    I reckon they are capable of hitting very close to the figures promised ...... and these are now promises and not estimates.
    Of course external forces can always interfere, but hopefully they have allowed for that and if things go right they might finish early. :D

    IMO, it would be in their interest to be ahead of their numbers by the time the decision on who gets the NBP contract/s comes around.
    If they are I can see them getting both contracts ...... they will have the experience and the trained man-power.

    Interesting times ahead :D


  • #5394
    plodder
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,769 ✭✭✭plodder


    But in section 4.1.3 Eir commits to connect people who request it, within 20 working days....
    Not everyone will request to be connected obviously, but if you do, they have to supply it.
    subject to clauses 4.2 to 4.5, at all times during and after the Term, in
    relation to the Premises (excluding New Build Premises) in the eir
    Deployment Area which are Passed and for which eir has received a
    Premises Connection Request ("Requested Premises"):
    (A) all of the Requested Premises will be Connected; and
    (B) at least 95% of the Requested Premises will be Connected at
    the Published Connection Charge; and
    (C) for at least 95% of the Requested Premises, the first
    connection to achieve Premises Connected at the Premises
    will be completed within 20 Working Days of the date the
    Premises Connection Request is received for a Passed
    Premises;
    Or does the retail operator take it from the pole to the house?
    I thought it was openeir who does the install right up to the GPON modem thingy. The retailer only sends out their router in the post.


  • #5395
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,053 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    KOR101 wrote: »
    Or does the retail operator take it from the pole to the house?

    The open-eir demarcation point is the ONT in the house.


  • #5396
    ED E
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,170 ✭✭✭✭ED E


    KOR101 wrote: »
    The 'Connection Request' is up to end uses and retail operators. A 'Connected Premises' is one where a 'Connection Request' can be made, and that's totally up to OE.

    But it all confusing because the 'Premises Passed' must be listed in the NGA as 'Ready for Order' which you would think means the same as 'Premises Connected', but clearly doesn't.

    [edit] Or does the retail operator take it from the pole to the house?

    Remember from OEs perspective there are two connection types. One where the drop has previously been fitted, and the other where it hasn't.


  • #5397
    GalwayMagpie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 163 ✭✭GalwayMagpie


    During the week I got a call from a vodafone rep. Our exchange goes live in May and he was keen to get me to renew my existing contract. I told him I believed that vodafone were not involved in the ftth, and are not on the list of service providers listed here: http://fibrerollout.ie/eircode-lookup/service-providers/

    He says they are, and offered my a discount to renew, I am suspicious.
    Can anyone confirm or deny this?


  • #5398
    garroff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 518 ✭✭✭garroff


    I moved from Vodafone to Eir AFTER Vodafone confirmed to me that they WOULD NOT be using Openeir fibre network.
    They will use SIRO........IF IT EVER ARRIVES.


  • #5399
    Gonzo
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,411 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    GalwayMagpie wrote: »
    During the week I got a call from a vodafone rep. Our exchange goes live in May and he was keen to get me to renew my existing contract. I told him I believed that vodafone were not involved in the ftth, and are not on the list of service providers listed here: http://fibrerollout.ie/eircode-lookup/service-providers/

    He says they are, and offered my a discount to renew, I am suspicious.
    Can anyone confirm or deny this?

    I reckon the rep was spoofing. recently Vodafone on boards was asked about their involvement with Eir's FTTH service and currently they said no plans.


  • #5400
    long_b
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,982 ✭✭✭long_b


    Neighbours are currently in a 12 mth contravt with Eir for poor ADSL broadband and TV.

    What's the dilly with FTTH for them then?

    Do they just get their broadband bumped up or do they have to wait till after their contract is finished to get FTTH?


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  • #5401
    oscarBravo
    Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,850 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    long_b wrote: »
    Neighbours are currently in a 12 mth contravt with Eir for poor ADSL broadband and TV.

    What's the dilly with FTTH for them then?

    Do they just get their broadband bumped up or do they have to wait till after their contract is finished to get FTTH?

    eir will probably allow them out of their ADSL contract as long as they enter into a new FTTH contract.


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