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razorblunt · 21-04-2017 01:20PM

pickarooney wrote: »

Possibly the best 8 in the top 14 this year.

Is he playing 8? I thought he moved to lock when he went over there.
Seems like there's some shenanigans with his proposed move back to England too.

English Lurker · 21-04-2017 05:06PM

Webbs wrote: »

3 6N championships, 2 grand slams, world cup semi final. Awful ineptitude that.

None of it since 2013 though (well, 2012 under Gatland). Ineptitude would be a strong word but his recent record with Wales really is nothing to boast about.

Thelomen Toblackai · 21-04-2017 06:01PM

English Lurker wrote: »

None of it since 2013 though (well, 2012 under Gatland). Ineptitude would be a strong word but his recent record with Wales really is nothing to boast about.

As far as playing against SH teams he's been pretty inept. Wales had a great team under him and as said they were winning 6 nations but he was clueless against SH teams. Scotland managed more against the same teams with much less chances and much less resources and talent.

The Lions win was great but its far from proof of his coaching ability. Australia were absolutely terrible that year and still almost won it.

And then he talks nonsense about Scottish players not being suited because they need to win away from home in the SH.

D14Rugby · 21-04-2017 06:21PM

I just realise scott williams isnt in the squad. How'd that happen? Miles better that JD this season

razorblunt · 22-04-2017 08:51PM

Greig Laidlaw comes on for Gloucester in the semi vs La Rochelle. Your Lion series win starts here.

CatFromHue · 22-04-2017 09:04PM

Just in case anyone is thinking of it my advice is to not watch any footage of the 05 tour, it'll just make you angry. Very angry :mad:

Especially at Geordan Murphy and Gavin Henson

Former Former · 22-04-2017 09:15PM

CatFromHue wrote: »

Just in case anyone is thinking of it my advice is to not watch any footage of the 05 tour, it'll just make you angry. Very angry :mad:

Especially at Geordan Murphy and Gavin Henson

Was watching some earlier. Horrendous.

Has there been another Lion who came from such obscurity and vanished back into it again as quickly as Ollie Smith?

Thelomen Toblackai · 22-04-2017 09:20PM

CatFromHue wrote: »

Just in case anyone is thinking of it my advice is to not watch any footage of the 05 tour, it'll just make you angry. Very angry :mad:

Especially at Geordan Murphy and Gavin Henson

What happened with Henson and Murphy ?

razorblunt · 22-04-2017 09:26PM

Former Former wrote: »

Was watching some earlier. Horrendous.

Has there been another Lion who came from such obscurity and vanished back into it again as quickly as Ollie Smith?

I mentioned him before on here and I believe someone mentioned that he might have been picked on the back of BOD's recommendation.

A quick google indicated he retired after a horrific injury:

The knee injury he sustained was not your typical ‘knock’.

He both fractured and dislocated the joint. The extra damage to the bones and ligaments around that was horrific.

He spent six months on crutches, five months with ice strapped to his knee and the equivalent of 37 days solid in a movement-enhancing Continuous Passive Motion machine.

Smith fought it for 12 months and then gave in to nature.

Read more at http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/leicester-tigers-star-ollie-smith-role-london/story-21186215-detail/story.html#6UXUgujuCQEYpicR.99

CatFromHue · 22-04-2017 09:32PM

Geordan Murphy was jumping out of the way of people instead of tackling on that tour.

I probably shouldn't be so harsh on Henson as he shouldn't really have been picked but he played very pants when he was for the test team.

I can't remember but I thought there used to be this romantic idea of picking one non capped guy, or barely capped, and bringing him on tour. Ollie Smith was, I think, Woodward's idea of that guy.

penybont exile · 22-04-2017 10:46PM

Thelomen Toblackai wrote: »

Wales have an abysmal record against SH teams. With 3 wins (2 x SA in 2016 and 2014. 1 x Aus in 2008) in about 40 games over the last 10 years and all 3 home games. Matched by even Scotland who have played half the amount of games against the same opposition.

They were well beaten within 50 minutes in all three tests against NZ the last time they went down there iirc. Picking up consolation tries at the death to pretty up the scoreboard.

Gatland of course is blind to his own ineptitude as the Welsh coach though.

"well beaten within 50 minutes in all 3 tests ...." ...... you either haven't watched test 1 & 2 ..... or more likely know nothing about the game!

penybont exile · 22-04-2017 10:57PM

CurryFlavoured wrote: »

One thing I'll point out that might skew things is that Farrell has been kicking goals consistently since he was a teenager. He's obviously a much better kicker now. Sexton wasn't really kicking in the Contepomi days was he? Hence why he's like 5 years older but hasn't kicked as many.

They're all quality kickers, realistically it's between Farrell and Sexton. Jonny just has that stigma of missing the odd very important kick, maybe it's unfair but people remember the big ones.

Would be interesting if you removed all the kicks HP attempts from within the arc where Sexton & Farrell do not go for goal .....what would the %'s look like then?

Anybody who saw HP kicking against France this year in the 6N wouldn't be putting him behind Sexton & Farrell in pure goal kicking ability.

The Rape of Lucretia · 22-04-2017 11:15PM

CatFromHue wrote: »

Geordan Murphy was jumping out of the way of people instead of tackling on that tour.

I probably shouldn't be so harsh on Henson as he shouldn't really have been picked but he played very pants when he was for the test team.

I can't remember but I thought there used to be this romantic idea of picking one non capped guy, or barely capped, and bringing him on tour. Ollie Smith was, I think, Woodward's idea of that guy.

Was that not just the Barbarians ?

Thelomen Toblackai · 22-04-2017 11:16PM

penybont exile wrote: »

"well beaten within 50 minutes in all 3 tests ...." ...... you either haven't watched test 1 & 2 ..... or more likely know nothing about the game!

Sorry. They lasted 60 minutes before being put away in the first test. 50 in the second before NAZ ran in 5 tries in 20 minutes. And then were hammered completely in the last test.

Strangely enough Welsh fans at the time seemed happy and we're already brainwashing themselves into thinking it was a good tour !

Buer · 23-04-2017 08:08AM

Ollie Smith was included on the backing of BOD after he tore Leinster up in the 2005 HEC quarter final. He was only 22 when called up to the Lions.

The biggest impact on him supposedly was the death of his father though who he was extremely close to. He lost his way and never really got his career back on track and injuries began to take their toll.

CatFromHue · 23-04-2017 05:40PM

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Was that not just the Barbarians ?

I thought it was the Lions.

Eric Miller, Simon Taylor, Smith, and Keith Earls only had a cap or two at the most when they were called to tour with the Lions

Clegg · 23-04-2017 08:06PM

The Irish lads will have to check Ringrose in with their luggage.

Former Former · 23-04-2017 08:10PM

CatFromHue wrote: »

I thought it was the Lions.

Eric Miller, Simon Taylor, Smith, and Keith Earls only had a cap or two at the most when they were called to tour with the Lions

The Barbarians always include an uncapped player, I don't think there's any real convention for the Lions, although Kyle Sinckler isn't far off it with 8 caps and no starts...

The last uncapped Lion was Will Greenwood in 1997.

25-04-2017 04:42PM

Taken from Reddit:

CMOTDibbler · 25-04-2017 04:46PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Taken from Reddit:

There seems to be a lot missing from that url?

thomond2006 · 25-04-2017 04:48PM

Show the man proper respect. It's Tadhg Furligind.

irishbucsfan · 25-04-2017 04:50PM

Look at this deadly picture I found

25-04-2017 04:52PM

Bunch of jackasses...

errlloyd · 25-04-2017 04:54PM

Can you imagine if the motorbike learner doing 200 kmph was also Furlong.

25-04-2017 04:59PM

That is a great headline in fairness

pickarooney · 25-04-2017 06:23PM

Furlong is, in fact, the New Ross.

1eg0a3xv7b82of · 25-04-2017 06:25PM

thomond2006 wrote: »

It's because the suggestion is not thought out to begin with. SRU would never do anything to jeopardise their stake with the Lions and you can't seriously expect any player to withdraw from the squad and lose out on their salary.

If Ireland had only 5 picks would you feel still feel the same. I could name 5 upcoming lions who could easily be replaced by scots.
We must all be honest and say the lions squad is unfair and because of this karma is coming in June.
The 2 scots named must be delighted but also uncomfortable with how their teammates and friends have been treated.

pickarooney · 25-04-2017 06:35PM

I think the Lions will win 2 of the games against the Super Rugby sides, assuming the entirety of the Hurricanes backs are missing for national duty, plus maybe the NZ Maori game and the Heartlands match.

Christy42 · 25-04-2017 08:11PM

Lyra Long Drug wrote: »

If Ireland had only 5 picks would you feel still feel the same. I could name 5 upcoming lions who could easily be replaced by scots.
We must all be honest and say the lions squad is unfair and because of this karma is coming in June.
The 2 scots named must be delighted but also uncomfortable with how their teammates and friends have been treated.

Laidlaw is the only one I can think of. Their win against us relied on us playing badly. You can't count on NZ playing badly (not that I think Gatland will win anyway but the answer is not more Scots).

Buer · 25-04-2017 08:44PM

Am I the only one thinking €2.20 is a serious price for the New Ross Standard?!

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