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Guards entering bus - greeted with angry passengers

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 340 ✭✭littelady


    I think it would be in the nations interest for the social to start elocution lessons and Lady like mannerisms for the likes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,797 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    Beyondgone wrote: »
    If you've ever driven around sallins close to wolfe-tone time, you know the answer to that. I'm not anti-Republican tb100%h, I'm just anti pointless screechy annoying outer edgers who want to invoke the spirit of dead Freemen long buried. STFU ffs. Pretty much. Dignity is priceless. Screeching is cheap.

    I agree that they didn't cover themselves in glory, but I do take issue with the potential profiling of a movement which has long since faded from relevance and violence. It strikes me that in the current post-troubles climate, profiling Republicans just because they're Republicans and therefore *might* be up to no good is extremely counter-productive. If the Gardai had specific evidence of crimes being committed on that specific bus, or intended by some of its occupants once it reached its destination, then I have no problem with the stop and search. I have a problem with it if it's just hassling people for the sake of hassling them because of the politics they identify with. It's pointless, inflammatory, unhelpful, and in my view something the police should not be allowed to do. Profiling of any kind always leads to needless issues and resentment in any community.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 242 ✭✭PREG1967


    littelady wrote: »
    I think it would be in the nations interest for the social to start elocution lessons and Lady like mannerisms for the likes.

    the commuters are a special branch of CIE otherwise known as Bus Oglaigh na hÉireann


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,166 ✭✭✭Beyondgone


    I agree that they didn't cover themselves in glory, but I do take issue with the potential profiling of a movement which has long since faded from relevance and violence. It strikes me that in the current post-troubles climate, profiling Republicans just because they're Republicans and therefore *might* be up to no good is extremely counter-productive. If the Gardai had specific evidence of crimes being committed on that specific bus, or intended by some of its occupants once it reached its destination, then I have no problem with the stop and search. I have a problem with it if it's just hassling people for the sake of hassling them because of the politics they identify with. It's pointless, inflammatory, unhelpful, and in my view something the police should not be allowed to do. Profiling of any kind always leads to needless issues and resentment in any community.
    Look Lad, you pick a side. One or the other. If you pick Republicanism, Garda hassle goes with the territory. Crying about it just comes across as a bit wussy. It cuts both ways.


  • Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I agree that they didn't cover themselves in glory, but I do take issue with the potential profiling of a movement which has long since faded from relevance and violence. It strikes me that in the current post-troubles climate, profiling Republicans just because they're Republicans and therefore *might* be up to no good is extremely counter-productive. If the Gardai had specific evidence of crimes being committed on that specific bus, or intended by some of its occupants once it reached its destination, then I have no problem with the stop and search. I have a problem with it if it's just hassling people for the sake of hassling them because of the politics they identify with. It's pointless, inflammatory, unhelpful, and in my view something the police should not be allowed to do. Profiling of any kind always leads to needless issues and resentment in any community.

    On their way to a dissident republican march in Derry.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    I dont understand the unprovoked animosity towards gardai that seems so prevalent


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,813 ✭✭✭Noveight


    Cienciano wrote: »
    Credit to the Gardai, I must have watched about 100 separate videos where I'm supposed to be horrified about their behavior but they always act professional. The people being questioned or arrested are always the arseholes.

    The best example I've seen yet. Abuse of power, no less :rolleyes:



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,321 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Jez, what a knob.

    Guards were trying to slip away a few times, the way you do when you are chatting to a nutter, but he kept coming up with more nonsense, and they didn't want to appear rude and just walk off.

    Love how he's entitled to a lot of things.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,893 ✭✭✭Canis Lupus


    Comments disabled. Guess he wasn't fond of being called a knob by people who viewed the video.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,116 ✭✭✭RDM_83 again


    Bunch of knuckle-dragging dissident Republican sympathizers get stopped on their way up to Belfast where they march behind masked individuals. Gardai doing their jobs. If you hang around with the IRSP and other fronts for dissident Republican groups then you'll find yourself coming to the attention of the police.

    World's smallest violin being played here.

    I've little time for the dissidents but there is a glaring exception to this rule.

    If your useful in terms bashing SF, Labour will put you in their national convention and FG+Labour will give you a comfy seat at the Senate.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,626 ✭✭✭Glenster


    This bus has been followed since Tallaght. That explains it.

    A bunch of self proclaimed republicans travelling from Tallaght to Drogheda?

    It'd be dereliction of duty not to check it.

    The guards get awful abuse from scum all the same.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,314 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    Sounds like the lad has had previous interactions with the Gardai multiple times.

    Also sounds like no-one wants their children on the video that he is taking.

    Heck, for all we know the child of the old person they're looking for is in critical condition in the hospital.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,321 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    I don't see any problem here at all.

    If I was intending to travel to NI to join a parade in support of dissident republicans, I would expect police interest in me tbh.

    These folk have been watching too many R2W protests. I thought they were harder than that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    Most of these videos that I've seen discrediting the Gardai are generally put up by rough yokes. Who'd you want nothing to do with!

    Any anti-Garda comments on Facebook videos or articles are usually left by people who can't spell worth a sh!te and have atrocious grammar. Usually they're full time mad bastards too and have kids called Kayden and Jayden.

    Also, the toe rags on that bus screaming their heads off about the kids being scared are ironically the ones making them scared with their effing and blinding.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 242 ✭✭PREG1967


    NIMAN wrote: »
    Jez, what a knob.

    Guards were trying to slip away a few times, the way you do when you are chatting to a nutter, but he kept coming up with more nonsense, and they didn't want to appear rude and just walk off.

    Love how he's entitled to a lot of things.
    he's obviously been abused by the Guards at some point


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,945 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    I am not a Republican & as a relative outsider, I find the actions of the Guards to be stupid, pointless & provocative. There would be uproar if it happened in the UK. If the public think that this is acceptable then you deserve the Gardai that you get.

    If there is someone on the bus, that you wish to talk to, then simply follow it & wait until they get off. It reminded me of the scene in war films where the gestapo get on the bus & ask for papers.

    The fact they they were uniformed & in numbers shows that it was more an exercise in harassment. If they genuinely needed to stop the bus as a crime had been committed it might be different. But even then there are ways to do it. What ever happened to being polite ?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,624 ✭✭✭Little CuChulainn


    Discodog wrote: »
    I am not a Republican & as a relative outsider, I find the actions of the Guards to be stupid, pointless & provocative. There would be uproar if it happened in the UK. If the public think that this is acceptable then you deserve the Gardai that you get.

    If there is someone on the bus, that you wish to talk to, then simply follow it & wait until they get off. It reminded me of the scene in war films where the gestapo get on the bus & ask for papers.

    The fact they they were uniformed & in numbers shows that it was more an exercise in harassment. If they genuinely needed to stop the bus as a crime had been committed it might be different. But even then there are ways to do it. What ever happened to being polite ?

    Gardaí are not allowed simply drive into NI and stop someone getting off a bus.


  • Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Discodog wrote: »
    I am not a Republican & as a relative outsider, I find the actions of the Guards to be stupid, pointless & provocative. There would be uproar if it happened in the UK. If the public think that this is acceptable then you deserve the Gardai that you get.

    If there is someone on the bus, that you wish to talk to, then simply follow it & wait until they get off. It reminded me of the scene in war films where the gestapo get on the bus & ask for papers.

    The fact they they were uniformed & in numbers shows that it was more an exercise in harassment. If they genuinely needed to stop the bus as a crime had been committed it might be different. But even then there are ways to do it. What ever happened to being polite ?

    The guards seemed perfectly polite to me.
    And FYI they were not in uniform, maybe you watched a different video than the rest of us?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 167 ✭✭Guy Sajer


    Omackeral wrote: »
    Any anti-Garda comments on Facebook videos or articles are usually left by people who can't spell worth a sh!te and have atrocious grammar.


    I have to laugh at this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,915 ✭✭✭cursai


    These people aren't republicans.....the're living trolls.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,573 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Discodog wrote: »
    I am not a Republican & as a relative outsider, I find the actions of the Guards to be stupid, pointless & provocative. There would be uproar if it happened in the UK. If the public think that this is acceptable then you deserve the Gardai that you get.

    If there is someone on the bus, that you wish to talk to, then simply follow it & wait until they get off. It reminded me of the scene in war films where the gestapo get on the bus & ask for papers.

    The fact they they were uniformed & in numbers shows that it was more an exercise in harassment. If they genuinely needed to stop the bus as a crime had been committed it might be different. But even then there are ways to do it. What ever happened to being polite ?

    the bus was going to northern ireland. the gardai have no jurisdiction there.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,863 ✭✭✭seachto7


    I wonder did the kids have their little paramilitary uniforms for the parade packed in the boot of the bus?


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,673 ✭✭✭AudreyHepburn


    Nothing to see here to be honest....the only one scaring the children (if they were actually scared at all) was the so called 'gobby aul one' shouting like a lunatic at men simply doing their job.

    The dogs on the street could tell the Gardai were looking for some-one or something in particular.

    They were well within their rights to stop the bus and search it and the passengers as necessary.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,915 ✭✭✭cursai


    the bus was going to northern ireland. the gardai have no jurisdiction there.

    Won countree! Won peeple! Chucky our law!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 696 ✭✭✭Noddyholder


    As far as would make out the bus be travelling to the six counties to take part in Easter commemorations, Which contrary to what another poster said does happen all over The Island of Ireland every Easter, & is part of this country's history.

    If they were attending dissident republican parades they certainly would expect to get pulled over as only Sunday in Belfast there spokesman was saying that there war is not over & attacks will continue.

    Its not an unusual occurrence & its fully to be expected, but with social media nowadays its good propaganda to, Wonder how that new law would effect them folks doing the filming ?? Would expect trouble there if it was implemented in that scene.

    For the garda its just an intelligent gathering exercise in seeing who is who.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Bunch of knuckle-dragging dissident Republican sympathizers get stopped on their way up to Belfast where they march behind masked individuals. Gardai doing their jobs. If you hang around with the IRSP and other fronts for dissident Republican groups then you'll find yourself coming to the attention of the police.

    More than likely, but such attention needs to stay within the boundaries of the law too, which it seems it didn't if you read the following. These two should lose their jobs IMO.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/tape-of-garda-threats-to-man-s-wife-and-child-collapses-trial-1.3017992


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,915 ✭✭✭cursai


    More than likely, but such attention needs to stay within the boundaries of the law too, which it seems it didn't if you read the following. These two should lose their jobs IMO.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/tape-of-garda-threats-to-man-s-wife-and-child-collapses-trial-1.3017992

    Thats subscription only.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    It is because of the constant monitoring of these people is why all of their terror attacks get foiled. Stop and identify exercises like this are important for public safety.

    These are not just a bunch or loony far-left "republicans". These are terrorists, terrorist Sympathisers, terror fundraisers, terror enablers. Dangerous people.

    If Anjem Choudary was performing a rally somewhere in Ireland and there were a couple of coaches going to and from Clonskeagh mosque, do you think it might be a good idea to monitor are on those buses?

    Whether it be ISIS supporters or IRA supporters, they are all dangerous, they all need to be monitored, they all need to be within a hairs breath of being arrested at any time.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 263 ✭✭CoolHandBandit


    This bus has been followed since Tallaght. That explains it.

    Why, what's wrong with Tallaght?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Don't Chute!


    "This is what you learn about in school Saorse, bullies! Rise above the bullies Saorse"! Nothing but a bus load of scumbags. Im absolutely sick of this type of person that doesn't have a clue what they're shouting about.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,321 ✭✭✭✭Cienciano


    Noveight wrote: »
    The best example I've seen yet. Abuse of power, no less :rolleyes:
    They have some cheek to call it abuse of power!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,736 ✭✭✭Irish Guitarist


    The loudmouth going on about the guards being bullies reminds me of my uncle. He got pulled over in England for drink driving in England when I was twelve. He told me to get out of the car and started parading me in front of the police. It frightened the shite out of me. I haven't thought much of him since then. I still think anyone who uses their kids to worm their way out of trouble is a dickhead.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,945 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    bubblypop wrote: »
    The guards seemed perfectly polite to me.
    And FYI they were not in uniform, maybe you watched a different video than the rest of us?

    So Garda baseball hats & bomber jackets with Garda on them aren't uniform ?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,736 ✭✭✭Irish Guitarist


    "Stop recording my child" he says as he films the child and posts the video online. And there was nothing wrong with the girl until the mother started screaming.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,945 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    It is because of the constant monitoring of these people is why all of their terror attacks get foiled. Stop and identify exercises like this are important for public safety.

    These are not just a bunch or loony far-left "republicans". These are terrorists, terrorist Sympathisers, terror fundraisers, terror enablers. Dangerous people.

    If Anjem Choudary was performing a rally somewhere in Ireland and there were a couple of coaches going to and from Clonskeagh mosque, do you think it might be a good idea to monitor are on those buses?

    Whether it be ISIS supporters or IRA supporters, they are all dangerous, they all need to be monitored, they all need to be within a hairs breath of being arrested at any time.

    Really ? Arrested for what ? There is no way that the Guards would do the same with a coach load of muslims going to Mosque. I find it amazing that after all the years of negative Garda stories that people still assume that the people they target are always in the wrong. It's like the old no smoke without fire.

    I have a strong dislike of the Republican movement but my standards of public service mean that I don't say the Guards are fine because they are questioning Republicans. I used to wonder how the Gardai were allowed to get away with so much. It's because citizens allow it.

    If the Guards have to rely on asking people for ID, which there is no legal requirement to carry, as their method of monitoring possible terrorists then heaven help us.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,573 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Discodog wrote: »
    Really ? Arrested for what ? There is no way that the Guards would do the same with a coach load of muslims going to Mosque. I find it amazing that after all the years of negative Garda stories that people still assume that the people they target are always in the wrong. It's like the old no smoke without fire.

    I have a strong dislike of the Republican movement but my standards of public service mean that I don't say the Guards are fine because they are questioning Republicans. I used to wonder how the Gardai were allowed to get away with so much. It's because citizens allow it.

    If the Guards have to rely on asking people for ID, which there is no legal requirement to carry, as their method of monitoring possible terrorists then heaven help us.


    http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1998/act/39/enacted/en/print.html


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,945 ✭✭✭✭Discodog



    Even the name of it sounds like something from the old Soviet Union. So these terrorists carry IRA membership cards ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,686 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    FTA69 wrote: »
    It doesn't matter. Theyre fully entitled to pull you over and keep you there. They can also arrest you under the act for pretty much any reason and have the power to hold you for up to three days without charge.

    Nope, not unless they have reasonable grounds.

    But attending a dissident Republican event in the North might be reasonable grounds.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,252 ✭✭✭FTA69


    Nope, not unless they have reasonable grounds.

    But attending a dissident Republican event in the North might be reasonable grounds.

    They can make up pretty much anything to constitute "reasonable grounds", something as vague as stating that they believed someone was involved in subversive activity is grounds enough. It's an act that gives them a huge amount of power.

    If the cops feel like pulling you over and detaining you they can and will do so very easily.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,945 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    FTA69 wrote: »
    They can make up pretty much anything to constitute "reasonable grounds", something as vague as stating that they believed someone was involved in subversive activity is grounds enough. It's an act that gives them a huge amount of power.

    If the cops feel like pulling you over and detaining you they can and will do so very easily.

    But we know that they would never misuse that :pac:

    I heard about a funny "prove your id incident" in a supermarket carpark. An English family were returning with their shopping & were greeted with customs & Guards. They were asked if they were resident in Ireland & replied that they were on holiday. They were asked to prove their UK residency. At one point a Guard asked for a utility bill. The poor holiday maker explained that, when you are packing for your hols you don't think that you will need utility bills.

    I had a similar incident many years ago, driving a UK car.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,686 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    FTA69 wrote: »
    They can make up pretty much anything to constitute "reasonable grounds", something as vague as stating that they believed someone was involved in subversive activity is grounds enough. It's an act that gives them a huge amount of power.

    It wouldn't stand up in court as a real charge if they had no grounds for suspecting you before the arrest, but if they are only hassling you, then yes, you are right.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,252 ✭✭✭FTA69


    It wouldn't stand up in court as a real charge if they had no grounds for suspecting you before the arrest, but if they are only hassling you, then yes, you are right.

    Unfortunately that's what they're at most of the time. They're interested in disruption, profiling and deterring people as much as anything else. Especially younger people.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,945 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    FTA69 wrote: »
    Unfortunately that's what they're at most of the time. They're interested in disruption, profiling and deterring people as much as anything else. Especially younger people.

    It's reminiscent of stop & search in the UK. All it does is make enemies. It just hardens resolve & hate.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,405 ✭✭✭Lukker-


    When these things happen there is always at least one person who proclaims, "da bankers", why aren't ye going after them?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,945 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    Lukker- wrote: »
    When these things happen there is always at least one person who proclaims, "da bankers", why aren't ye going after them?

    Yes & very justifiably. But don't forget the crooked Guards too.


  • Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Discodog wrote: »
    So Garda baseball hats & bomber jackets with Garda on them aren't uniform ?

    No.
    They are not in uniform


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,046 ✭✭✭Berserker


    That bus wasn't stopped for no reason. It'd be very interesting to know who paid for their weekend up there. Might give us a clue as to why the bus was stopped and searched ....
    Discodog wrote: »
    It's reminiscent of stop & search in the UK. All it does is make enemies. It just hardens resolve & hate.

    Your line always reminds me of a certain Irish folk singer who whinged about being stopped in the UK. The same person was well known for having "special collections" at his gigs.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,945 ✭✭✭✭Discodog


    bubblypop wrote: »
    No.
    They are not in uniform

    So what constitutes uniform & what difference does it make ? They were hardly undercover :pac:


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 272 ✭✭Stars and Stripes


    Imagine your life was so sad and you lacked depth so much that you had to cling on to something like "Republicanism" and go to ridiculous memorials up the North that really have nothing to do with you. Thank God I had smart parents.
    Could be worse, like the sad clowns who go around pestering people for money to buy a poppy for weeks on end. Even a few clowns in Ireland believe in wearing one for some family reject who fecked off to England and joined their military.

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