NIGHT SHOOTING

LONG DRAG · 17-04-2017 4:46pm #1

Hi hear that the department are to stop all shooting at night, this is to the best of my belief a done deal.

Meeting next Thursday in Dublin to tell us what will happen

gunny123 · 17-04-2017 4:49pm

What night shooting ? Foxes, rabbits, deer ? What department ? What meeting ? Where ?

Heavy handed · 17-04-2017 5:12pm

There wanting to bring in a curfew for the months of September to march for the hours of 12 midnight to 6 in the morning.

LONG DRAG · 17-04-2017 5:15pm

Don't know the full story and I'm not going to give out wrong info, but what i know is that a working group has been working away from the Department of Justice and Equality on best practice for night shooting.

Meeting on 20 April in St Stephens Green( DOJ) at 11 AM

NARGC will be in attendance on the 20 April, but were not aware of the working groups existence until last week. :eek:

RossiFan08 · 17-04-2017 6:06pm

Heavy handed wrote: »

There wanting to bring in a curfew for the months of September to march for the hours of 12 midnight to 6 in the morning.

If this is true I am not sure what their goals are. If it is to stop deer poaching, why is March included? The deer season is over at this stage. If it is for public safety how is shooting before 12 any safer? If anything it is more dangerous as there would be more people about.

The only thing I can see this as is a stepping stone for an outright ban on night shooting.

.243 · 17-04-2017 7:29pm

LONG DRAG wrote: »

Hi hear that the department are to stop all shooting at night, this is to the best of my belief a done deal.

Meeting next Thursday in Dublin to tell us what will happen

What organisation did you "hear" this from,or is it just bar stool talk

cavan shooter · 17-04-2017 7:31pm

Sports Coalition of vested interests is a disgrace. This week they **** over the 25000 plus shooters in the country to protect deer stalking

Next week we will hear how they agreed to a 5 year safe pass course style certification for shooters to be carried out on certain ranges only.

Shocking but I warned this before.

berettaman · 17-04-2017 7:40pm

cavan shooter wrote: »

Sports Coalition of vested interests is a disgrace. This week they **** over the 25000 plus shooters in the country to protect deer stalking

Next week we will hear how they agreed to a 5 year safe pass course style certification for shooters to be carried out on certain ranges only.

Shocking but I warned this before.

Feckin kills me to say it but Cavan shooter flagged the issues before.

It is being proposed to limit nightime shooting in order to curb poaching.

3 meetings occurred involving a subcommittee of the FCP. The Sports Coalition were meant to be representing hunters at this.
I now know NARGC were fully justified in trying to get representation at FCP.

This is scandalous and will not be let tolerated.

Whole idea is unenforceable.

berettaman · 17-04-2017 7:43pm

.243 wrote: »

What organisation did you "hear" this from,or is it just bar stool talk

NARGC were given a report of the subcommittee of FCP late last week. They sent it to all RGCs. Is this why S.C. did not want NARGC people at the FCP?

Not bar stool talk at all..

LONG DRAG · 17-04-2017 7:49pm

Subject: working group on night time shooting - final report and recommendations (including best practice guidance).
To: all members of the Firearms Consultative Panel (FCP) Dear Members,
The working group on night time shooting has produced their final report and recommendations (including best practice guidance).
Please see the attachment below.
These matters will on the agenda of the upcoming meeting of the FCP for your endorsement.
In addition can any of you who have not already done so, please confirm to my by email whether you will be attending the meeting
next Thursday 20th April at 11.00am (location - Dept. of Justice & Equality, 94 St. Stephen's Green, Dublin 2).
Regards,
Colm Rath | Firearms, Explosives and Private Security Policy Division | Department of Justice & Equality |

cavan shooter · 17-04-2017 7:58pm

Okay..just rang one of our county lads he says our Secretary has a report and it will be discussed at an executive meeting on Tuesday.
He says That from the gist of it lamping between Sept and March is stopped.

He also says they aren't going to stand for it...and already an email mail has gone to that effect to the NARGC.

He won't say anything else till after Tuesday but the email basically says.

How did this happen?
Why weren't the Club's informed?
Who let this Happen?
What's been done about it?

berettaman · 17-04-2017 7:58pm

4. To explore the practicalities of imposing a curfew during hours of darkness
Given the fact that dawn changes as the season’s progress, a simple straightforward
solution to this issue was somewhat problematic. The WG was acutely conscious for the
balance to be struck between curtailing/eliminating illegal dangerous activities versus the
need for farmers, foresters and other land managers to manage their
enterprise/landholding in a legal and safe manner.
There was agreement that the majority of issues associated with shooting or hunting at
night centre around (but not exclusively) the autumn, winter and spring periods.
The solution proposed is that a curfew is in place from 1st Sept until 31st March and operates
between the hours of 12 midnight and 6am. During the curfew period no shooting or
hunting should take place except in accordance with a licence or permit (e.g. Sec 42).
There will be no curfew in April, May, June, July and August when the nights are very short.
If it becomes apparent that these months are indeed problematic they can be reviewed.
5. AGS to examine the conditions that may be applied to firearms certificates to
affect some control over night shooting in the interests of public safety.
This matter is incorporated in 2 above.

From the report..

cookimonster · 17-04-2017 8:08pm

So from the above post and I refer to the term hunting used therein how will this effect the opening days of the deer season for morning stalking or the use of high seats as it usual practice to be in situ prior to first light and as far as I can remember would involve pre 06.00hrs movement etc.?

cavan shooter · 17-04-2017 8:11pm

Now any 223 or 204 set up for foxes is ****ing worthless. You won't be able to give them away.

Bastards

berettaman · 17-04-2017 8:14pm

cookimonster wrote: »

So from the above post and I refer to the term hunting used therein how will this effect the opening days of the deer season for morning stalking or the use of high seats as it usual practice to be in situ prior to forts light and as far as I can remember would involve pre 06.00hrs movement etc.?

You are quite right. If it becomes the law. . Big if.

Say you live in Waterford but shoot deer in Tipp. If you head out to get set up before dawn as most do..you would be breaching these guidelines if you bring your gun with youðŸ€”

Madness..

cavan shooter · 17-04-2017 8:16pm

berettaman wrote:

Say you live in Waterford but shoot deer in Tipp. If you head out to get set up before dawn as most do..you would be breaching these guidelines if you bring your gun with youÃ°Å¸â‚¬â€

Sorry...You use the term guidelines. These are being rubber stamped by the FCP on Thursday...sorry mate there done and dusted...and we are screwed over.

berettaman · 17-04-2017 8:17pm

cavan shooter wrote: »

Now any 223 or 204 set up for foxes is ****ing worthless. You won't be able to give them away.

Bastards

Never thought of that. ðŸ˜£

DogfoxCork · 17-04-2017 8:53pm

i read the document stating these new guidelines and it seems very vague. and has a part about special condition to add to a licence to allow shooting past the "curfew" it seems so ridiculous. the campfire utilising nomadic travellers...! will be delighted to have free reign of the countryside to go snooping around!

.243 · 17-04-2017 9:03pm

So basically every farmer in the country that want to protect their sheep flock,will have to shut down,eh yeah I can see the ifa running with this,
I can see a glorious brand new course coming in for those who do want to shoot at night,if you want to go out you'll have to be qualified.......chick Ching!!!!

DogfoxCork · 17-04-2017 9:05pm

.243 wrote: »

So basically every farmer in the country that want to protect their sheep flock,will have to shut down,eh yeah I can see the ifa running with this

even clubs releasing birds! they get hammered hard enough as it is.

Vegeta · 17-04-2017 9:09pm

It is already illegal to hunt deer at night (without license) what difference will a curfew make. Most organised poaching crews are not using lamps at this stage so anyone who says that it will be easy to identify poachers by the lamps they use is being very naive.

NARGC have caught wind of this so I hope they object in the strongest possible terms.

cavan shooter · 17-04-2017 9:20pm

Vegeta wrote:

It is already illegal to hunt deer at night (without license) what difference will a curfew make. Most organised poaching crews are not using lamps at this stage so anyone who says that it will be easy to identify poachers by the lamps they use is being very naive.

Yeah...3k will get you a **** hot NOD set up....again it's the legal legit lads that's hung out to dry by our so called representatives. Looking at the dates and the wording they were purposely leaving the NARGC out of it. Also this started last year July time.

gunny123 · 17-04-2017 9:21pm

berettaman wrote: »

It is being proposed to limit nightime shooting in order to curb poaching.

I have heard of reports of deer being shot at night recently, the scum that poach don't pay any heed to seasons, or any other laws for that matter.

grassroot1 · 17-04-2017 9:47pm

Is it possible to put up the PDF of the report?

cavan shooter · 17-04-2017 9:49pm

grassroot1 wrote:

Is it possible to put up the PDF of the report?

Post 18 above in all its glory.

cookimonster · 17-04-2017 10:32pm

If this does come to pass and there is no exception added in such as the requirement to contact the NPWS and local Garda - current practice for Sec 42 and use of lamp for deer, then all concerned should swamp the relevant offices for a Section 36 - License to use Mechanically Propelled Vehicles for Hunting. There is a section that covers the use of a lamp, get one of these issued to you and you legally have under the provisions of the Wildlife Act a licence authorizing you to lamp and shoot from a vehicle.

Just a thought but check out the NPWS website.

yubabill1 · 17-04-2017 10:35pm

were any fox shooters/lampers involved in this fcp sub-committee?

sept-march covers the whole lambing season and fox fur is useless before cold weather comes.

blanket ban to target deer poachers at foxing expense.

banning sale of venison/issuing tags never came into it, I'm sure.

DogfoxCork · 17-04-2017 10:39pm

yubabill1 wrote: »

were any fox shooters/lampers involved in this fcp sub-committee?

sept-march covers the whole lambing season and fox fur is useless before cold weather comes.

blanket ban to target deer poachers at foxing expense.

banning sale of venison/issuing tags never came into it, I'm sure.

I cant believe how the introduction of a tag system wasnt their first choice, by far the easiest option and is demonstrated to work very well in the US. Also the best way to survey numbers shot

cavan shooter · 17-04-2017 10:41pm

Looking for tags like in the states won't happen here because that will cost the deer shooting community whose representatives pushed this through money..instead they demonise legitimate shooters to "protect" their sport. It's very pointed read the report..they excluded the NARGC because it has nothing to do with them.

grassroot1 · 17-04-2017 11:10pm

I am at a loss to know why the FCP is discussing nightime shooting it has nothing at all to do with firearms law as it is currently a legal activity. I feel nightime shooting is being confused with a number of issues.
1. Poaching of deer.
2. Rural crime
3. Unauthorised trespass on farmland.
None of these issues are relevant to the FCP as they can only be solved by the enforcing of the law by the GARDAI in conjunction with NPWS and relevant landowners.
To hold up the owners of legally held firearms as being somehow part of this issue is shameful and does nothing to solve the problem.
My understanding of the idea of the FCP was to discuss and solve issues relevant to firearms licensing and use.
I hope that in future it will stick to these issues and avoid the costly litigation that has dogged firearms and there use in Ireland for years.
ANY FURTHER RESTRICTIONS ON FIREARM USE IS UNACCEPTABLE.
ANY LICIENCING FOR NIGHTIME SHOOTING IS UNACCEPTABLE.
ANY REQUIREMENT TO INFORM THE AUTHORITIES THAT OWNERS OF LEGALLY HELD FIREARMS ARE GOING ABOUT THE SPORT IS UNACCEPTABLE.

cookimonster · 17-04-2017 11:11pm

Tags and Deer Hunting

What use are tags - tags in the US are a conversation method for legitimate hunters - poaching still goes on there.

Issue tags here, for what? There are two premise for poaching deer here-

1. The unrecorded sale of deer for consumption - provided by individuals poaching / hunting deer, some with licenses, some maybe with unlicensed firearms. These people are either selling meat to individuals or unscrupulous business out of the back of their cars.

2.The recorded sale of venison - during the season any deer presented to the game dealer can be judged as legitimate once the Hunter has the required documentation. The dealer in fairness won't know when or how the animal was shot.

Out of season requires further documentation. So in fact, weather it's in season or out there is system, if not a tag system but a record of who shot what, where and when. It is common practice through out the UK for wild game meat to sold into the food chain why should it not be so here. Banning the sale of wild venison will not stop the poaching.
Legitimate hunters have nothing to fear but bureaucracy, but it is those acting completely outside of the law that are hard to trace.

Cass · 17-04-2017 11:36pm

cavan shooter wrote: »

Sports Coalition of vested interests is a disgrace.

Shocking but I warned this before.

As did many others, myself included, a few years back when the NARGC founded it.

berettaman wrote: »

I now know NARGC were fully justified in trying to get representation at FCP.

Not trying to start a row here, but as the topic was brought up.

The NARGC were the founding member of the coalition and regardless of the person at the helm at the time others had to agree to allow it to be formed. They started this abortion of an organisation and now distance themselves from it.

Why the F**k couldn't they rid themselves of their own problems and just rejoin the FCP a few years back instead of creating this mess?

Whole idea is unenforceable.

Yes it will be. Now anyone out shooting won't have a valid argument to be doing so. IOW if you ban everyone then anyone out is guilty. All they need is to hear a shot, see a light and you're done.

If you mean from a personnel point of view, then probably not. not enough feet on the ground, but then again i've see the GardaÃ respond quicker to a call about a lamp in a field than an ongoing burglary. :rolleyes::mad:

cavan shooter wrote: »

How did this happen?

Like all the other bullsh*t proposed in secret someone had to whisper it to someone else.

Why weren't the Club's informed?

not to rock the boat

Who let this Happen?

The reps obviously.

What's been done about it?

Feck all it would seem if its got this far, but now it's known the time is now to ring, write to and call your reps. Make it known how you feel and that it won't be tolerated.

Also contact you landowners. Explain you won't be able to control foxes, and ask them to contact their IFA rep. Remember the IFA is the largest group in the country and they hold a serious amount of power.

cookimonster wrote: »

So from the above post and I refer to the term hunting used therein how will this effect the opening days of the deer season for morning stalking or the use of high seats as it usual practice to be in situ prior to first light and as far as I can remember would involve pre 06.00hrs movement etc.?

Yup.

Law says one hour before sunrise. Last September 1st that would be 5:35 am. So if i follow the 1976 wildlife act i'm going to be breaking this new law?

That means a rewrite of the 1976 act or an SI to amend the act but i'm not sure if an SI can amend an Act to that degree.

berettaman wrote: »

You are quite right. If it becomes the law. . Big if.

Massive if.

Once the committee recommend it, it still has to go through all the normal steps. Meaning 3 months at the quickest, up to a year or more at the latest. Plenty of steps in between to get a spanner thrown into the works, protests, marches, etc.

AGAIN, get writing NOW.

cavan shooter wrote: »

Sorry...You use the term guidelines. These are being rubber stamped by the FCP on Thursday...sorry mate there done and dusted...and we are screwed over.

The FCP have no such authority. It's a consutlancy panel with reps that were invited by the Minister. They have an input, but frankly the Minister can accept or reject them at will.

IOW it needs no stamping by the FCP at all. However if the reps on the FCP do "rubber stamp" these then i'd suggest they shut down their businesses, shops, and organisations the following morning. Won't be worth having when it's found out who allowed this to happen.

gunny123 wrote: »

I have heard of reports of deer being shot at night recently, the scum that poach don't pay any heed to seasons, or any other laws for that matter.

As above, now anyone out, regardless of rifle/time/purpose, etc is guilty.

You're dead right though, scum will be scum. Guarantee they will be the ones that will get away with it, while some poor bastard out for a "lamp" will be done for driving home at 00:01.

richiedel123 · 17-04-2017 11:52pm

Just got wind of this now from our county rep. To say I'm outraged is an understatement. It's a case of throwing the average shooter under the bus to make it easier watch out for deerpoachers. To my reading of this report it's the deer associations and vested bodies pushing this and npws because they probably will think it will be easier petrol when nobody is supposed to be lamping.
I am delighted the nargc got away from the sports coalition and this is the proof that they made the right decision, although it could be too little too late at this stage as by my reading this is as good as signed sealed and delivered
I really hope our representatives can get in Thursday and argue our point as the biggest hunting organisation that it effects us the most.
The bans , having to notify the police, notify residents in the area is a joke in my opinion. We are already governed to the highest standards to get our licences now we have to report where and when we will be using them. Next thing they will want GPS trackers on us and our guns.
In my opinion this is only the start of it. If this is introduced it won't an long before they will say it's working and will ban lamping completely

cookimonster · 18-04-2017 1:17am

Cass wrote: »

.......
Massive if.

Once the committee recommend it, it still has to go through all the normal steps. Meaning 3 months at the quickest, up to a year or more at the latest. Plenty of steps in between to get a spanner thrown into the works, protests, marches, etc.

AGAIN, get writing NOW.

The FCP have no such authority. It's a consutlancy panel with reps that were invited by the Minister. They have an input, but frankly the Minister can accept or reject them at will.

I tend to agree here, this is not a knee jerk reaction to some gun atrocity, no public out cry, but I wouldn't ignore it.
I'm probably being naive but my interpretation of the recent announcement ref repealing the licensing laws for Good Friday would suggest not to be booking your high seats for next Easter weekend there's a bit more to It then every one agreeing in principle to the suggestion.

richiedel123 · 18-04-2017 9:35am

The more I think about this the more annoying it gets. I only recently got a new tikka in 223 schmidt and bender scope etc the whole set up cost over 1500 quid now if this comes into effect it will be practicaly worthless because nobody will want to buy them.
Arnt the Firearms dealers part of the sport coalition??They prob knew this was coming yet never tell anybody.feeling a bit raw over this!!!
any of the organisations involved should be contacted to ask what's going on especially the deer associations!!!

dto001 · 18-04-2017 9:51am

This will also affect early morning flighting for wildfowl which will ruin this sport. Is there a way of putting together a petition to get to them on Thursday so It is known that these groups do not represent the majority of the shooting majority.

The only way to sort out poaching is to take the money out of it not penalising legitimate sporting people. Too many vested interests in this. I can understand the Gaurds but the so called shooting groups we have the perfect way to hunt in this
country but unfortunately too much greed involved. In my opinion

Can anyone tell me which groups are involved in this? Excuse the ignorance

dto001 · 18-04-2017 10:31am

Emailed Minister for justice and IFA it's a start

DogfoxCork · 18-04-2017 11:15am

at the end of the day there is going to be poaching regardless of curfew/tag system/take the money out of it. there are better ways to clamp down on poaching than banning all nighttime activity. if anything that makes it easier for units with NV setups!

wirehairmax · 18-04-2017 11:27am

Who is on the FCP at this moment?
What groups are left in the Sports Coalition?
Who is leading the Sports Coalition?

Cass · 18-04-2017 11:28am

For clarification i'm not attacking the NARGC as it is NOW.
I'm also not going to repeat myself as we all know what happened and for the purpose of this thread it serves no good. I was merely pointing out how the "prodigal son" had returned.

However this issue is far too important to get bogged down in who done what. There will be time enough for blame when it's over, but for now we must act and nip this in the bud. Make your reps hear you and make them do as the majority want and not fulfill their own agenda without consultation.

cookimonster wrote: »

......... the recent announcement ref repealing the licensing laws for Good Friday would suggest not to be booking your high seats for next Easter weekend there's a bit more to It then every one agreeing in principle to the suggestion.

Listening to a radio interview between a Senator, the Vintner's Assoc. and others and it started of well then descended into chaos when it came to the specifics. Same will happen here.

dto001 wrote: »

This will also affect early morning flighting for wildfowl which will ruin this sport.

Exactly. It has much futher reaching consequences than just "trying" to stop poaching.

Is there a way of putting together a petition to get to them on Thursday so It is known that these groups do not represent the majority of the shooting majority.

You won't get the numbers on a petition, and definitely not by Thursday.

However writing to them will have an immediate effect. It doesn't have to be a novel, just express in the strongest terms possible your outrage and disgust at their inaction (the NGBs that is), their secrecy, and lack of transparency at letting the general public they claim to represent know. I mean this happen overnight, they knew it was coming.

Then write to the Minister's, TDs, etc. and again very briefly explain why you find it to be pointless, harmless, and counter productive.

Can anyone tell me which groups are involved in this? Excuse the ignorance

NARGC, NASRPC, NRAI, Sport Coalition, would be a good starting point. They sit on the FCP afaik. The problem with the sports coalition is they represent "splinter groups" so i need to find out who the others ones are. By splinter groups i mean when the sc was founded some of the RFDs joined it and some did not.So the splinter RFDs created their own association and joined the sc as that group. Same with range operators.

More importantly when writing make sure to address the letters to the people sitting on the review committee too. The same letter will do, in the short time frame we find ourselves in, for all people and associations.

I'll try track down the list of names and e-mails for people to use.

I keep highlighting certain parts, but trust me if this gets legs we will find ourselves sitting at home each night wondering how we lost night shooting.

Cass · 18-04-2017 11:35am

wirehairmax wrote: »

Who is on the FCP at this moment?

As above i'm not sure of all of them but afaik:

IFA
NARGC
NRAI
NASRPC
Sports Coalition
Range Operators
Firearm Dealers Association

What groups are left in the Sports Coalition?

According to their website:

WA1500
Irish Clay Pigeon Shooter Association
Range operators Association of Ireland (not to be confused with those that did not join it)
National Silhouette Association
Irish Bullseye
Irish Firearm Dealers Association (again does not represent them all)
Salmon Anglers association

Who is leading the Sports Coalition?

Paul Walsh, Acting Chairman. Owner and operator of East Coast Dog and Gun.

So you know who to contact in the Sports Coalition.

Cass · 18-04-2017 11:40am

Only list i can find so far on those that sat/sit on the review committee.

wirehairmax · 18-04-2017 11:52am

Cass wrote: »

As above i'm not sure of all of them but afaik:
IFA

NARGC

NRAI

NASRPC

Sports Coalition

Range Operators

Firearm Dealers Association

I dont think the NARGC are on it right now, they were under the umbrella of the SC but when that went south, I'm not sure the NARGC got their own representation.

According to their website:
WA1500

Irish Clay Pigeon Shooter Association

Range operators Association of Ireland (not to be confused with those that did not join it)

National Silhouette Association

Irish Bullseye

Irish Firearm Dealers Association (again does not represent them all)

Salmon Anglers association

So not a single hunting group? And they reckon they're qualified to speak on my and other hunters behalf!!

Paul Walsh, Acting Chairman. Owner and operator of East Coast Dog and Gun.

So you know who to contact in the Sports Coalition.

God help us is all I'll say. Who let him in charge? I think we all know whos pulling his strings in the background.

Grizzly 45 · 18-04-2017 12:06pm

DogfoxCork wrote: »

I cant believe how the introduction of a tag system wasnt their first choice, by far the easiest option and is demonstrated to work very well in the US. Also the best way to survey numbers shot

No it doesn't work well in the US and if you want to get rid of virtual free deer hunting in Ireland ,then go right ahead and support this idea. F&G /NPWS decides there isnt enough deer in your area..No liscenses are issued for the entire area,or you can go and play the lotto to get one of maybe five liscenses for a trophy deer....
The US version of sect 42
http://outdoornews.com/2010/04/01/over-14000-deer-taken-on-dmap-nuisance-tags/

Grizzly 45 · 18-04-2017 12:16pm

dto001 wrote: »

This will also affect early morning flighting for wildfowl which will ruin this sport. Is there a way of putting together a petition to get to them on Thursday so It is known that these groups do not represent the majority of the shooting majority.

The only way to sort out poaching is to take the money out of it not penalising legitimate sporting people. Too many vested interests in this. I can understand the Gaurds but the so called shooting groups we have the perfect way to hunt in this
country but unfortunately too much greed involved. In my opinion

Can anyone tell me which groups are involved in this? Excuse the ignorance

RE the petitions.Yes there is..www.petitions.org or any online petition.You might not get it by next Thursday,but you can land it in the ministers office, and the shooting bodies mail boxes.But then again,we are effin terrible t protesting here,even when it is sitting in front of a computor .
WHY are you not emailing your reps and the people on the FCP and not giving them merry Hell??In fact you should be calling them by phone and door stepping them on this issue at home and at their workplaces.You want to stop this..Arise off thy butts and go forth and protest online and in person.

Grizzly 45 · 18-04-2017 12:21pm

wirehairmax wrote: »

Who is on the FCP at this moment?
What groups are left in the Sports Coalition?
Who is leading the Sports Coalition?

ALL ligit questions,that WE the gun owners of Ireland should have asked and got answers to months ago!!Are we starting to realise here now that we cant just leave any decisions to some elected "sound lads" in our sport and hope that they have our best intrests at heart when it comes to dealing with our opposition?

Cass · 18-04-2017 12:30pm

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

RE the petitions.Yes there is..www.petitions.org or any online petition.You might not get it by next Thursday,but you can land it in the ministers office, and the shooting bodies mail boxes.But then again,we are effin terrible t protesting here,even when it is sitting in front of a computor .

The last petitionn ran for 6 weeks and got 2,000 signatures. We're terrible at this. Letter writing even worse, but FFS, this is not us complaining against some anti group or trying to get our side across. We're trying to defend what must be one of the biggest sports in the country (shooting wise).

The time for "m'eh, someone else will do it" is long gone. The last letter writing campaign only got some 40 or so letters. Again lads if it's only "Down with this sort of thing" then so be it, but send something.

WHY are you not emailing your reps and the people on the FCP and not giving them merry Hell??In fact you should be calling them by phone and door stepping them on this issue at home and at their workplaces.You want to stop this..Arise off thy butts and go forth and protest online and in person.

Yup.

cavan shooter · 18-04-2017 1:22pm

Cass wrote: »

The last petitionn ran for 6 weeks and got 2,000 signatures. We're terrible at this. Letter writing even worse, but FFS, this is not us complaining against some anti group or trying to get our side across. We're trying to defend what must be one of the biggest sports in the country (shooting wise).

The time for "m'eh, someone else will do it" is long gone. The last letter writing campaign only got some 40 or so letters. Again lads if it's only "Down with this sort of thing" then so be it, but send something.

Yup.

In fairness to our Lads there on the Ball, Is every County doing similiar

Hi Michael

Further to your phone call yesterday, Cavan RGC did receive correspondence from The NARGC on this matter and we find it very unsettling.

We have convened a meeting of the executive to discuss but have already sent a strongly worded e mail to the NARGC on the matter, rest assured we are not accepting anything in this document.

We are at a loss as to how as an association with 25000 members we have been wilfully excluded from any correspondence or discussion and cant help think there is mischief afoot. Cavan have long lobbied and warned about the Sports Coalition.

I spoke to the National Chairman this morning and he has been swamped with similar calls and mails.

We will keep you updated as to what action the NARGC are planning as it is advised.

Regards
xxx

Hon Secretary

Backbarrel · 18-04-2017 1:31pm

Cass wrote: »

As above i'm not sure of all of them but afaik:
IFA

NARGC

NRAI

NASRPC

Sports Coalition

Range Operators

Firearm Dealers Association

According to their website:
WA1500

Irish Clay Pigeon Shooter Association

Range operators Association of Ireland (not to be confused with those that did not join it)

National Silhouette Association

Irish Bullseye

Irish Firearm Dealers Association (again does not represent them all)

Salmon Anglers association

Paul Walsh, Acting Chairman. Owner and operator of East Coast Dog and Gun.

So you know who to contact in the Sports Coalition.

Can we put up the actual names of the organisations and their various reps?

Backbarrel · 18-04-2017 1:32pm

Cass wrote: »

As above i'm not sure of all of them but afaik:
IFA

NARGC

NRAI

NASRPC

Sports Coalition

Range Operators

Firearm Dealers Association

According to their website:
WA1500

Irish Clay Pigeon Shooter Association

Range operators Association of Ireland (not to be confused with those that did not join it)

National Silhouette Association

Irish Bullseye

Irish Firearm Dealers Association (again does not represent them all)

Salmon Anglers association

Paul Walsh, Acting Chairman. Owner and operator of East Coast Dog and Gun.

So you know who to contact in the Sports Coalition.

Can we put up the actual names of the organisations and their various reps?

richiedel123 · 18-04-2017 2:03pm

Backbarrel wrote: »

Can we put up the actual names of the organisations and their various reps?

a

From my reading of it the groups involved in coming up with the actual report was the npws, wild deep association of Ireland, Deer society of Ireland and the sports coalition. They were the groups who sat down and drafted it. Every other organisation has a say when it comes down to it but they drafted it.
People should start e mailing these groups and start asking questions. I have e mailed a few but still waiting for replies. Only reply i got so far was from the nargc and they said they are going to contest it in every way possible

Shooting Forum - Firearms licencing information

NIGHT SHOOTING

Comments

Forum Charter - Useful Information - Photo thread: Hardware - Ranges by County - Hunting Laws/Important threads - Upcoming Events - RFDs by County

Forum Charter - Useful Information - Photo thread: Hardware - Ranges by County - Hunting Laws/Important threads - Upcoming Events - RFDs by County

Forum Charter - Useful Information - Photo thread: Hardware - Ranges by County - Hunting Laws/Important threads - Upcoming Events - RFDs by County

Forum Charter - Useful Information - Photo thread: Hardware - Ranges by County - Hunting Laws/Important threads - Upcoming Events - RFDs by County

Forum Charter - Useful Information - Photo thread: Hardware - Ranges by County - Hunting Laws/Important threads - Upcoming Events - RFDs by County