NIGHT SHOOTING

dto001

Replies to a few emails but sounds like the usual fob off to me. At least FineGeal replied no word from the shinners or FF
but i didn't really expect much to be honest. Is there any updates or news on this?


"I am directed by the Minister of State, David Stanton, T.D. to refer to
your correspondence dated 18th April concerning the report from the working
group on night time shooting.

The Minister understands that the report was discussed at a meeting of the
Firearms Consultative Panel on April 20th. It was agreed that organisations
represented on the panel could submit views on the report in writing. The
deadline for receipt of submissions is 1 June.

The Minister further notes that the matter will be discussed by the full
membership of the Firearms Consultative Panel at a future meeting following
receipt and consideration of any further submissions raised.

The contents of your email have been noted and forwarded to the chair of
the working group who drafted the report.

Yours sincerely,

Yvonne Phillips
Private Secretary to the Minister of State
with special responsibility for Equality, Immigration & Integration"


"Thank you for contacting me in relation to the above matter. I am making enquiries into this and I will revert to you as soon as I receive a response. I would be grateful if you could provide me with your full address and contact details for databasing purposes.

Please be assured that I will revert to you as soon as I receive further information.

Kind regards and best wishes,


Minister Marcella Corcoran Kennedy T.D. 
Minister of State for Health Promotion
Constituency Office
5 The Courtyard | Emmet Street | Birr | Co. Offaly R42 KD43
Ph: 057- 91 25825 - Fax: 057- 91 22865"

cavan shooter

Shocking fob off. Don't ask me about it take it up with the NARGC.

cavan shooter

Meeting in Cavan Last Night and petitions along with self addressed envelopes handed out to all clubs with a message get them in Mondasys post. Also hear that there is a meeting on Saturday in Tullamore with the NARGC. Id love to be there but i'm on nights, because i would love to have a say.

Agenda items include Night time shooting and how we were sold down the river by our own. Its good to see a meeting being called about stuff that really affects us and not chicken ****.

wirehairmax

I normally don't take much heed of antis but when they're crediting and praising the Sports coalition for their role in the FCP proposals to severely restrict lamping and night shooting it just goes to show how stupid the whole debacle is. Since this story broke a few weeks ago there has been complete silence from the SC. No statement, no update on their website, and nothing on Facebook.
There are a number of questions to be asked about the SC in its current guise:
-Who are the SC? Whose left??
-Who's on their executive committee?
-What's their agenda?
-Where is the chairman and how was the acting chairman elected? What's the relationship between these two individuals?
-Will they be making a statement on the current debacle?

richiedel123

wirehairmax wrote: »

I normally don't take much heed of antis but when they're crediting and praising the Sports coalition for their role in the FCP proposals to severely restrict lamping and night shooting it just goes to show how stupid the whole debacle is. Since this story broke a few weeks ago there has been complete silence from the SC. No statement, no update on their website, and nothing on Facebook.
There are a number of questions to be asked about the SC in its current guise:
-Who are the SC? Whose left??
-Who's on their executive committee?
-What's their agenda?
-Where is the chairman and how was the acting chairman elected? What's the relationship between these two individuals?
-Will they be making a statement on the current debacle?

What paper was that in???

Cass

The Kerryman.

Grizzly 45

Ol John "Assaulting a Garda "Tierney at it again.He had to dig up a picture from America of a COYOTE and a AR15 with a Nite site for his article??:P:P:P:D:D:D:D We should mailbomb the Kerryman for that alone..:D:D:D

On a more serious note,it is time we start taking the SC apart if it is not fit for purpose anymore.Lets find out who is in charge and who is supporting them and simply state,in very Donald Trump tones.."You're fired!"

Grizzly 45

Going by the SC website of March 2017 Paul Walsh is acting chairman...Take it from there folks.

Sparks

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

simply state,in very Donald Trump tones.."You're fired!"

Remember, the international dialling code is 00-7.

yubabill1

That Tierney letter looks a lot like libel to me.

AFAIK you've got to diminish the character of a clearly-identified person or group.

If you're out with a gun and lamp at night, you're pretty identifiable.

Sparks

/reads the story just above it

Yeah, I think you have to be degraded in the eyes of right-thinking people for it to be defamation. This would only barely qualify on a technicality given its context

BattleCorp

G'wan yiz 'gun gurriers'. :pac: :pac: :pac:

gunny123

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Going by the SC website of March 2017 Paul Walsh is acting chairman...Take it from there folks.

Acting the maggot chairman ?

wirehairmax

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Going by the SC website of March 2017 Paul Walsh is acting chairman...Take it from there folks.

You might as well be trying to reason with Trump. This is a guy who champions himself as an expert deer manager, somehow wangled his way onto the CIC Ireland representative, does abseloutely nothing in his local gun club, advises people on FB to ignore ''shooting in progress'' warning signs at entrances to woods and is Des Croftons best buddy. I could tell you stuff that you wouldnt believe unless you knew him. Unfortunately we're stuck with him around here but nobody takes him seriously as a hunting man.

wirehairmax

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Going by the SC website of March 2017 Paul Walsh is acting chairman...Take it from there folks.

This is a guy who has his very own thread here, all complimentary!!!
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056072483

cavan shooter

Granted Mssrs Tierney and Co are ranting nutjobs but at least you see what you get...

Pity you cant say the same for the sneaky Sports Coalition doing these deals behind everyones back. Unless the Sports Coalition and the individuals rapidly distance themselves from that letter, I would be boycotting every and any store/range/ and activity that any representative of the Sports Coalition is involved in. If they had any pride or honor left they would fall on their swords.

The NARGC voted at the last governing body meeting not to have anything to do with the Sports Coalition and to withdraw all support. They had better be having nothing to do with these and I mean everyone in the NARGC, and that needs to be reiterated on Saturday very strongly.

I am dismayed that the ICTSA not the deer crowd there rep is clear from day one:
http://www.glendaloughhouse.ie/wildlife-management/hunter-tuition

.243

wirehairmax wrote: »

You might as well be trying to reason with Trump. This is a guy who champions himself as an expert deer manager, somehow wangled his way onto the CIC Ireland representative, does abseloutely nothing in his local gun club, advises people on FB to ignore ''shooting in progress'' warning signs at entrances to woods and is Des Croftons best buddy. I could tell you stuff that you wouldnt believe unless you knew him. Unfortunately we're stuck with him around here but nobody takes him seriously as a hunting man.

You should have a look at his Facebook page for the range he runs in gorey,some shocking pictures of range safety(or lack of)

Grizzly 45

Wouldn't spleens be better vented at Mr Walsh rather than here??;)

A bunch of very polite letters and emails ,[done as the late Kenny Evertt's chacter Cupid Stunt used to say "In the best possible taste":P] from individuals and clubs asking the following;
1]Are you still in charge/repersenting of the SC?

2] WTF is going on with this nonsense in this organisation? Who is making these decisions and what not?

3] Would you care to remain in busisness as a gun dealer and range as we can all take our custom elsewhere,if this organisation continues with solo runs,and under the counter deals and shennanigans?
A Boycott could be very easily arranged,and its not like gun dealers are rolling in clover either in Ireland these days.

Just sayin...;)

Grizzly 45

Garda approved firearms safety courses ????As per FB posts..

cavan shooter

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Garda approved firearms safety courses ????As per FB posts..

All courses are Garda approved


..otherwise theyd refuse the grant of your license;):rolleyes:

Grizzly 45

Are they??? Because it sure would clear up a lot of questions for 1st time applicants as to which irish firearms training courses have an offical AGS approval rating and stamp that will be accepted by every Super in the land.

Sparks

Garda rather than Gardai perhaps.


Also folks, could we ease up a little on the walk to the line drawn by the defamation act on here? So far I don't think it's been crossed but that line's got a habit of getting blurrier the closer you look and the last time a shooter crossed it was less than six months ago and the courts awarded seventy grand against him.

cavan shooter

Sparks wrote: »

Garda rather than Gardai perhaps.


Also folks, could we ease up a little on the walk to the line drawn by the defamation act on here? So far I don't think it's been crossed but that line's got a habit of getting blurrier the closer you look and the last time a shooter crossed it was less than six months ago and the courts awarded seventy grand against him.

BTW and not 100% sure as to truth, clay shoot talk etc......but a littel bird on a droppin g duck stand told me ..its apparently being appealed...and thats were we leave it.

.243

cavan shooter wrote: »

BTW and not 100% sure as to truth, clay shoot talk etc......but a littel bird on a droppin g duck stand told me ..its apparently being appealed...and thats were we leave it.

I was told the same,and we should all treat it like a gorse fire,"it may look like we put it out,but we all may hang around to make sure it stays out in case it could spark up"

ronn

Another well known vet putting his twopence worth in the local Bray People

gunny123

ronn wrote: »

Another well known vet putting his twopence worth in the local Bray People

But thats hunting with hounds rather than lamping and shooting. Don't open that can of worms or tierney will go into meltdown altogether.

ronn

gunny123 wrote: »

But thats hunting with hounds rather than lamping and shooting. Don't open that can of worms or tierney will go into meltdown altogether.

"Mea Culpa" As my dear friend would say

Grizzly 45

At least for an Anti,he tried to have a balanced point of view in that article.Might have mentioned that a lot of this is also imported class warfare on foxhunting with horse& hound from the UK. But we digress.....

Sparks

Sparks wrote: »

Thursday, 18 May 2017

Michael Healy-Rae (Kerry, Independent)
185. To ask the Minister for Arts, Heritage and the Gaeltacht if she will address a matter (details supplied) regarding night-time shootings; and if she will make a statement on the matter. [23657/17]

Heather Humphreys (Cavan-Monaghan, Fine Gael)
While I have no proposals to amend the Wildlife Acts, it is my understanding that a report has been produced by a working group set up by the Firearms Consultative Panel of the Department of Justice and Equality which recommends best practice guidelines on the issue of shooting and hunting at night. The report is now with the Firearms Consultative Panel itself and it is a matter for that body to further consider the recommendations in the report. An official of the National Parks and Wildlife Service of my Department is a member of the Firearms Consultative Panel.

I should state that I would support any best practice guidelines that promote health and safety but at the same time allows farmers/landowners protect their livelihoods.

What idiot brought that idiot into this?

Grizzly 45

Think the first sentence to the first comma and last short para of the minister is pretty important here?
And as a law enforcement body native to our shores said "Shure they are just guidelines" :rolleyes:[Translated.Enforce them or not as law as you fancy yourself.]
However,let's make sure they just stay as guidelines or best practise suggestions and don't become law.

ronn

Looking for opinions here, I've printed out the petetion, I'll see some lads from my club today,(won't see the rest till the 1st of November😀😀😀)can I fill in the rest of the names myself, going on the basis it says name and not signature on the form,???
Or should I contact the secretary and get him to text the members and inform them what I'm doing and if they have a problem with it contact me,??
Any suggestion or opinions welcome

cavan shooter

Your better getting the signatures from the lads. Can't have the antis casting doubt on the validity of the petition.

Cass

Another story on it.

We all know the severity of these proposals, but if they gain any ground because those proposing them or those opposed to shooting are better at letter writing than we are then the shooting community should just hand our firearms in and kiss our sport goodbye.

We need to get more people not only signing the petition but calling, writing to and contacting their local councillor, TD, representative and write to the review committee vociing your opposition to them.

I've heard some lads talking about how they'll be guidelines and don't have legal enforcement. Do you really want to allow them to even start as guidelines?

.243

Cass wrote: »

I've heard some lads talking about how they'll be guidelines and don't have legal enforcement. Do you really want to allow them to even start as guidelines?

I'd love to see lads argue that point with a guard at 2am after been stopped,when the guard has been told by his super that it's law

Cass

Exactly.

The Commissioners guidelines are an interpretation of how the law should be implemented and it is based on law. However some of it is also "best guideance" yet it's ALL enforced as law.

Zxthinger

Identify that shooters are permitted to hunt on licences and leave it at that.
That will preclude those that never sought there firearms for hunting form being out on the roads at night.
(Maybe I'm way wrong here but it's just a thought)

AGS processed all my gun licences and have issued all but one of my licences based on my declaration that I intend to shoot animals at night.

AGS conditioned one of my firearms and stated that night-time shooting was not permitted unless I was engaged in the protection of farm stock.

Couldn't this existing control or condition be touted as an existing control thus no need for extra $h/t.

Just some thought and observations on the issue.

Zxthinger

Just to add the AGS examine each case and decide if a firearm use is warranted thereby justifying the individuals Licence which allows it to be used as conditioned.

AGS have for years allowed nighttime shooting without issue. why change that.

Cass

I have heard that AGS have no interest in this. IOW they did not propose it, did not back it, and did not sign their name to it.

Secondly how could you police it? No rangers, few Garda? in rural areas and less in extremely rural areas.

Zxthinger

Cass wrote: »

I have heard that AGS have no interest in this. IOW they did not propose it, did not back it, and did not sign their name to it.

Secondly how could you police it? No rangers, few Garda? in rural areas and less in extremely rural areas.

How could it be policed?.. No need to police it.. Irish shooters are one of the most law abiding groups in Ireland.

Firstly-
You say that AGS had nothing to do with this proposals.. thats important to note.
Can that statement be publicly validated or proved. It would be a worthy statement in any opening augments or observations used to rubbish this nonsense
Secondly- and less importantly..
I just want to highlight that no further legislation is needed as AGS have a vehicle by which to set conditions..

Cass

Zxthinger wrote: »

Firstly-
You say that AGS had nothing to do with this proposals.. thats important to note.

No, i said i've heard they are not interested i pushing this. Its not a fact and should not be taken as such.

Can that statement be publicly validated or proved. It would be a worthy statement in any opening augments or observations used to rubbish this nonsense

Possibly through an FOI request but unless someone was dictating the meeting it'll only be minutes which may not include all responses/comments.
Secondly- and less importantly..

I just want to highlight that no further legislation is needed as AGS have a vehicle by which to set conditions..

I mentioned it earlier or on the "Ban Night hunting" thread that they could impose such conditions on granting a license, however a few would be "ok", but to issue such conditions to all license holders may, as was pointed out, constitute a blanket ban or subversive way to create legislation without the legislators.

Hunter456

funny not a sausage of an update on Sports Coalitions website of this proposal and whats even more mind boggling these the lads that were making noise when some of their sporting discipline's were under fire.

Zxthinger

Anyway that aside for the moment, it seems that the rumored proposals for continual assessment and training may have be dealt a blow.

https://www.thesun.ie/news/1022914/solas-unlawfully-charging-tradesmen-millions-of-euro-to-renew-safepass-registration-cards-high-court-rules/

It might server to take the enthusiasm out of their sails..

Gravelly

The clay range I use had the petition on the counter this weekend, and it looked like a lot were signing it.

Zxthinger

Gravelly wrote: »

The clay range I use had the petition on the counter this weekend, and it looked like a lot were signing it.

Does anyone know where or have a link to the print friendly version of this petition..

gunny123

Gravelly wrote: »

The clay range I use had the petition on the counter this weekend, and it looked like a lot were signing it.

A petition where ever farmers, especially sheep farmers meet would be a great idea too. Marts, hardware stores, feed merchants etc.

Vizzy

Zxthinger wrote: »

Does anyone know where or have a link to the print friendly version of this petition..

Its on the NARGC website.

Backbarrel

Hunter456 wrote: »

funny not a sausage of an update on Sports Coalitions website of this proposal and whats even more mind boggling these the lads that were making noise when some of their sporting discipline's were under fire.

Spoke to lads at a shoot last week that reckoned they were good mates with the Chairman of the sports coalition. They were asking what all the petitions were about. When they found out they couldn't believe it...
They were dubs and said they were going to "have a word"..

Gravelly

Backbarrel wrote: »

they were going to "have a word"..

In The Sopranos / Goodfellas sense of the term?

Backbarrel

Gravelly wrote: »

In The Sopranos / Goodfellas sense of the term?

LOL:D

With a Dub accent there was a bit of a Love/Hate vibe to it alright..

I think the considered themselves mates of his and were genuinely surprised that their mate was heading an organisation supporting a curb on fox shooting at night..

wirehairmax

Backbarrel wrote: »

Spoke to lads at a shoot last week that reckoned they were good mates with the Chairman of the sports coalition. They were asking what all the petitions were about. When they found out they couldn't believe it...
They were dubs and said they were going to "have a word"..

If they can find him, he's gone to ground since all this broke. He was very vocal against the new NARGC committee in the last few months on FB groups but not a peep from him or his lackies in the last 3 weeks. He's been tagged on FB concerning the petition and hasn't acknowledged or responded. And none of the ''usuals'' have spoken out against this farce either.