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    #1112
    pedroeibar1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,108 ✭✭✭pedroeibar1


    OK, 36 hours and several hundred hits without a name.
    The answer is
    Henry Pelham (1748-1806), born Boston, son of Peter Pelham and Mary Copley (nee Singleton of Quinville Abbey, Co. Clare).
    His etching of the ‘Boston Massacre’ was plagiarised by his friend Paul Revere (yes, that one) who rushed into print before Pelham, who wrote it was “one of the most dishonorable Actions you could well be guilty of…….[deprived me] as truly as if you had plundered me on the highway“ Revere’s underhand action is played down in American history, as he was ‘American’ and Pelham generally is viewed a Royalist.

    Pelham was a noted miniaturist, many subjects being connections of the O’Brien (Inchiquin) family.

    Pelham at age of about 16 is the subject in ‘Boy with a squirrel’ painted by his half-brother John Singleton Copley.

    Pelham was a friend of Vallancy and other notables in antiquarian circles, and sketched/recorded ruins/ogham stones, etc. around Ireland. His engravings were used to illustrate Ferrar’s ‘History of Limerick’ and Francis Grose’s ‘Antiquities of Ireland’.

    His map “A Plan of Boston in New England with its Environs” was published June 1777 is considered to be one of the most beautiful maps of Boston ever produced.
    His Grand Jury map of Limerick is monumental, in scope of work and size, on a scale of 1 1/8” to 1 English mile, broken down into 12 separate sheets, each measuring approximately one metre by half a metre.

    He was Agent for Lord Lansdowne’s Kerry estate during which time he laid out the town plan for Kenmare. After leaving Lansdowne he worked for the War Office, supervising the building of Martello towers in Bantry Bay. He either drowned or died of a heart attack in a boat on Bantry Bay and his body was brought back to Kenmare for burial.


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    #1113
    pedroeibar1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,108 ✭✭✭pedroeibar1


    An easier one (I admit that Pelham does not receive the notoriety/credit he deserves).

    This lady is better known……… (If yiz don't get this it's over to the Mods!)
    Her family background was staunchly Unionist; her brother an MP, her father was a Viscount, the title created in the 1700’s and it today has a coincidental but unrelated royal ‘connection’. Born in London, she was multilingual, well-travelled and lived mainly in Ireland. She ‘Gaelicised’ her name, taking as Christian name that of an Irish saint who has been depicted in stained glass by Harry Clarke. She was on ‘active service’ during the Troubles and was on hunger strike for a period. A radical eccentric she had a war wound in common with Forrest Gump.:eek::D
    Who was she?

    Meter - thread views - 58,425


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    #1114
    knucklehead6
    Registered Users Posts: 6,743 ✭✭✭knucklehead6


    pedroeibar1 wrote: »
    An easier one (I admit that Pelham does not receive the notoriety/credit he deserves).

    This lady is better known……… (If yiz don't get this it's over to the Mods!)
    Her family background was staunchly Unionist; her brother an MP, her father was a Viscount, the title created in the 1700’s and it today has a coincidental but unrelated royal ‘connection’. Born in London, she was multilingual, well-travelled and lived mainly in Ireland. She ‘Gaelicised’ her name, taking as Christian name that of an Irish saint who has been depicted in stained glass by Harry Clarke. She was on ‘active service’ during the Troubles and was on hunger strike for a period. A radical eccentric she had a war wound in common with Forrest Gump.:eek::D
    Who was she?

    Meter - thread views - 58,425

    It's one of three that I can think of, now to hit the books and try to figure out which one.


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    #1115
    pedroeibar1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,108 ✭✭✭pedroeibar1


    knucklehead6 wrote: »
    It's one of three that I can think of, now to hit the books and try to figure out which one.
    No books, that's cheating! :P:)
    (:o I could not remember where Mary Litogot was born - soI admit I went to Google - she was born in the US.)


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    #1116
    riffmongous
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,632 Mod ✭✭✭✭riffmongous


    I cheated because i wanted to know.. and without giving it away, when you say 'Troubles' you are referring here to the 1920s events rather than the 2nd half of the 20th century right?


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    #1117
    knucklehead6
    Registered Users Posts: 6,743 ✭✭✭knucklehead6


    riffmongous wrote: »
    I cheated because i wanted to know.. and without giving it away, when you say 'Troubles' you are referring here to the 1920s events rather than the 2nd half of the 20th century right?

    Well then I haven't a clue. I was leaning towards Mairead Nugent


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    #1118
    riffmongous
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,632 Mod ✭✭✭✭riffmongous


    knucklehead6 wrote: »
    Well then I haven't a clue. I was leaning towards Mairead Nugent

    Hehe, me too originally on account of the Nugent name


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    #1119
    pedroeibar1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,108 ✭✭✭pedroeibar1


    Yes, it was in the earlier 'Troubles' - I deliberately was unclear but counteracted that with the Harry Clarke clue - he died in the 1930's. (Many of the Nugents really are O'Reilly's)
    Another clue - She was connected to the von Trapp family, of 'Sound of Music' fame. Or p'raps that adds more confusion!:D:D


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    #1120
    pinkypinky
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    I've got nothing but I'm really enjoying this thread.

    Genealogy Forum Mod



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    #1121
    knucklehead6
    Registered Users Posts: 6,743 ✭✭✭knucklehead6


    riffmongous wrote: »
    Hehe, me too originally on account of the Nugent name

    I knew it couldn't be Farrell, she wasn't born in London, and Mary Doyle was a non runner.


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    #1122
    pedroeibar1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,108 ✭✭✭pedroeibar1


    We are 8 hits short of 200 and no close guesses .

    The lady in question is the Hon. Albinia Brodrick. Born to the 8th Viscount Midleton in London. (Coincidental but unrelated royal connection = Kate Middleton)

    She used the Irish name of Gobnait Ni Bhruadair (St. Gobnait’s window by Harry Clarke is in the Honan chapel in Cork.)

    Wound/Forest Gump - There are various stories about her wound, (fleshwound, in a buttock, but described as in ‘her leg’ possibly for the sake of decorum). One is that she, a renowned cyclist, failed to stop at a Treaty checkpoint and was shot at and hit, the other that she cycled a deliberately wobbly path in the middle of the road to block a ‘Free State’ armoured car. After they stopped a soldier fired a shot in her direction ‘in fun’ but he managed to hit her. Take your pick!

    The ‘Sound of Music ‘ clue is that Albinia/Gobnait’s cousin, Agatha Whitehead was the first wife of Georg Ludwig von Trapp, the father in that story/musical/film. Agatha’s Whitehead grandfather invented the torpedo (as we knew it in WW1) and when the Admiralty turned it down he was invited by Emperor Franz Josef to open a factory on the Adriatic and made his stash. Agatha launched a U-Boat which was vonTrapp’s first command and how they met. (She died of scarlet fever nursing the sick children, von Trapp lost the inheritance and the singing nun/second wife Maria came later.) This site is quite accurate on her (misspells her name tho' and I don’t accept all of their info. on other topics.

    She is buried in the C of I Church in Sneem.


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    #1123
    riffmongous
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    pedroeibar1 wrote: »
    An easier one (I admit that Pelham does not receive the notoriety/credit he deserves).

    This lady is better known………


    Meter - thread views - 58,425
    Thread views are now at 58,617 so I hope it's ok if I go ahead and spoil it.. I assume after extensive Googling it was Gobnaith ni Bhruadair, Albinia Lucy Brodrick.


    Pedro you are up again. In the meantime an easier one, how many battles of the Isonzo were there in WW1? (including the final decisive breakthrough offensive which goes by a different name)


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    #1124
    Manach
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    Seven?


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    #1125
    riffmongous
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,632 Mod ✭✭✭✭riffmongous


    Manach wrote: »
    Seven?

    Nope, try again!


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    #1126
    pedroeibar1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,108 ✭✭✭pedroeibar1


    riffmongous wrote: »
    Nope, try again!

    'Lots'! :P
    Not my area/era, I'm aware of the events only in the sketchiest details from reading Hemingway all those years ago! Strange how some things stick.


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    #1127
    riffmongous
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    So there were 12 battles in total, 11 Battles of the Isonzo and then Caporetto which was the 12th. I think this was the one Hemingay wrote about, and it's also noted sometimes for the participation of a young Erwin Rommel.

    Let's go to WW2 I think that might be more a common area.

    What was the name of the last major German offensive, with the aim of securing the Hungarian oilfields?


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    #1128
    pedroeibar1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,108 ✭✭✭pedroeibar1


    I had to google the oilfields...

    Here's another:
    Name the two well-known diarists of the Restoration, one a bit prim & proper, the other at times salacious!


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    #1129
    Manach
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 9,674 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manach


    One has to be Samuel Pepys - the other ...


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    #1130
    pedroeibar1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,108 ✭✭✭pedroeibar1


    Manach wrote: »
    One has to be Samuel Pepys - the other ...
    Yes. Sam was the philanderer and wrote about it.

    The other was a founder member of the Royal Society and a handy man in the garden. He became a good friend of Pepys who wrote `In fine, a most excellent person he is, and must be allowed a little for conceitedness; but he may well be so, being a man so much above others'.


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    #1131
    Manach
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 9,674 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manach


    Christopher Wren ?


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    #1132
    pedroeibar1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,108 ✭✭✭pedroeibar1


    Manach wrote: »
    Christopher Wren ?
    Good guess, on the money for date and FRS, but AFAIK he was not a diarist. The correct answer is (Sir) John Evelyn. His diary is HERE


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    #1133
    pedroeibar1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,108 ✭✭✭pedroeibar1


    Last one from me...
    Three years after their marriage, her husband died of gangrene, the result of a bullet wound sustained in a battle fighting for the Protestant cause against the Spanish. He was an English poet, courtier, scholar, and soldier. She remarried but ten years later that husband was beheaded for treason. She then married for the third time, to an Irish nobleman, who supposedly had been her lover. They came to live in Ireland where they built a large home that still stands. She also built a home in Kent where she died in 1633.
    Who was she?


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    #1134
    kildarejohn
    Registered Users Posts: 310 ✭✭kildarejohn


    pedroeibar1 wrote: »
    Last one from me...
    Three years after their marriage, her husband died of gangrene, the result of a bullet wound sustained in a battle fighting for the Protestant cause against the Spanish.. ... She also built a home in Kent where she died in 1633.
    Who was she?
    This appears to be Frances, daughter of Sir Frances Walsingham, who married first Sir Philip Sydney, then Robert Devereux Earl of Essex, and thirdly Richard de Burgh, Earl of Clanricarde. The home in Kent was Somer Hill.


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    #1135
    pedroeibar1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,108 ✭✭✭pedroeibar1


    Yes on all counts - the Irish home they built is Portumna Castle. Your turn.............


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    #1136
    kildarejohn
    Registered Users Posts: 310 ✭✭kildarejohn


    This Kildare gentleman was said to be on such friendly terms with a Duke that they called each other Jimmy and George. Who was he?


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    #1137
    pedroeibar1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,108 ✭✭✭pedroeibar1


    Guess - James was the christian name of the 1st Duke of Leinster ; he would have been around at the same time as George I although calling him George would be lèse-majesté..........


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    #1138
    kildarejohn
    Registered Users Posts: 310 ✭✭kildarejohn


    Pedro - youre right that the Duke of Leinster comes into it, but actually the 2nd Duke. I guess the person I am looking for is perhaps a little obscure, not royalty or even titled, just one of the local Kildare ruling class in 18th/early 19th c.
    To help anyone find the answer online, the source is Turtle Bunberry.


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    #1139
    kildarejohn
    Registered Users Posts: 310 ✭✭kildarejohn


    kildarejohn wrote: »
    This Kildare gentleman was said to be on such friendly terms with a Duke that they called each other Jimmy and George. Who was he?

    OK, as nobody has answered my question and it was a bit obscure, I had better answer it myself.
    The man in question was James Medlicott.
    Turtle Bunbury wrote - "During the 1798 Rebellion, old James won considerable respect from the Catholic population when he personally intervened to save the life of the universally loved and respected parish priest of Kildare who was about to be hung from tree by a renegade mob of loyalist soldiers. He was a close friend of the 2nd Duke of Leinster, they referred to one another as Jimmy and George"


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    #1140
    feargale
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    Name the West Cork clergyman's daughter who was the author of "The Dark Side of the Moon: The Incredible Story of What Really Happened in Poland During the Russian Occupation 1939-45"


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    #1141
    Jan_de_Bakker
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    Who's birthday is it today (April 20th) without Googling ?

    You won't find a Google doodle for this person for sure ..


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