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Antifa.....the joke that keeps on giving

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  • #362
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Depp wrote: »
    two problems with that, there was no neo-nazi event, and why a reference that explicitly deals with killing and mutilating said ''nazis''

    Well even if it wasn't a neo nazi event there were neo nazi groups there, and two, it's a reference, distasteful but I don't think she literally planned to go scalping anyone


  • #363
    20Cent
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,940 ✭✭✭20Cent


    Depp wrote: »
    then why the ussr imagery? and an anrchist isnt any better.

    stalin wasnt a communist? are you joking?

    Look up the definition of communism and note it doesn't apply to the ussr or Stalin. Didn't see any hammer and sickles at the trouble in Berkeley either.


  • #364
    Depp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Depp


    riffmongous wrote: »
    Well even if it wasn't a neo nazi event there were neo nazi groups there, and two, it's a reference, distasteful but I don't think she literally planned to go scalping anyone

    then why did the antifa protesters break the cordon the police had put up and start pepper spraying and attacking everyone? when the protest organizers had already denounced these groups? did everyone there deserve to be attacked because a few white nationalists also showed up? I agree dont think she intended on scalping anyone but it still shows violent intent.


  • #365
    Depp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Depp


    20Cent wrote: »
    Look up the definition of communism and note it doesn't apply to the ussr or Stalin. Didn't see any hammer and sickles at the trouble in Berkeley either.

    thats the best thing i've read all day :D:D:D

    stalin and the ussr weren't even communists? I've heard it all


  • #366
    Danzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,221 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    riffmongous wrote: »
    Maybe in the english speaking coutries, but according to an article posted earlier the German members are quite different, something like 35% did not have the required qualification to even go to university, one in two came from poor immigrant districts.. hardly middle class uni types

    Maybe, nothing is black and white. I suspect though they are still purely about the In Group.

    They are all a bit Football Hooligan, lifestyle and a bit of a rumble, change nothing though.

    I think Antifa 40 years ago was a different beast


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  • #367
    Danzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,221 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    20Cent wrote: »
    Look up the definition of communism and note it doesn't apply to the ussr or Stalin. Didn't see any hammer and sickles at the trouble in Berkeley either.

    When the revolution is continuously usurped by those who are not communists but who rise to the top, then the system has a fatal flaw.

    From Stalin to Lenin to Mao, it has always been "well, but".

    The left needs to look at itself, its attitudes, its people, if it is ever going to have electoral success.

    It is disturbing how far the left today are from their base and how they view their base.

    I'm a Left wing voter, SF.


  • #368
    jackofalltrades
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,274 ✭✭✭jackofalltrades


    20Cent wrote: »
    Loved the Spence getting punched video and all the remixes.
    You're seriously celebrating law abiding people being assaulted?
    The rise of the far right in the US and Europe is worrying.
    Debate with these guys isn't really an option.
    WTAF you think violence is a acceptable against groups that you don't like.
    Oh wait a sec isn't that what the Nazis did.
    Ideas should never be challenged with violence, they should be robustly debated no matter how abhorrent you feel they are.
    Modern soceity is moving away from violence and moving further towards debate and agreement.
    You're going in the wrong direction.
    20Cent wrote: »
    Nazi getting punched good.
    Did you find yourself running into SS divisions all the time?


  • #369
    Hande hoche!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,949 ✭✭✭Hande hoche!


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7u3uhKxNPNg


  • #370
    Duffy the Vampire Slayer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,384 ✭✭✭Duffy the Vampire Slayer


    If nothing else, this thread has proven that there isn´t a left wing bias on boards.


  • #371
    Danzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,221 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Duffy the Vampire Slayer wrote: »
    If nothing else, this thread has proven that there isn´t a left wing bias on boards.

    There are probably as many on the left as the right who despise the ANTIFA kids.


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  • #372
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Depp wrote: »
    then why did the antifa protesters break the cordon the police had put up and start pepper spraying and attacking everyone? when the protest organizers had already denounced these groups? did everyone there deserve to be attacked because a few white nationalists also showed up? I agree dont think she intended on scalping anyone but it still shows violent intent.

    Atracking indiscriminately and peaceful protesters is wrong, no doubts there. When violent groups want to fight each other I usually say let them at it, once it's relatively fair and not serious.And for me that guy running in and sneak attacking a woman is just wrong, that he's an Identarian scumbag makes it even worse.


  • #373
    scopper
    Closed Accounts Posts: 870 ✭✭✭scopper


    20Cent wrote: »
    Look up the definition of communism and note it doesn't apply to the ussr or Stalin. Didn't see any hammer and sickles at the trouble in Berkeley either.

    If you've never seen a hammer and sickle with antifa you might need to go see them in real life sometimes (don't worry, they are as scary as fairies).


  • #374
    scopper
    Closed Accounts Posts: 870 ✭✭✭scopper


    Depp wrote: »
    an ideologue? what blinkers are these now?

    Yours, you are deep in a filter-bubble, like the other side. From the outside you are both extremists nobody wants to deal with.


  • #375
    Depp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Depp


    riffmongous wrote: »
    Atracking indiscriminately and peaceful protesters is wrong, no doubts there. When violent groups want to fight each other I usually say let them at it, once it's relatively fair and not serious.And for me that guy running in and sneak attacking a woman is just wrong, that he's an Identarian scumbag makes it even worse.

    agree with this to an extent but it really seems more like one group defending themselves from another group who tried to use violence to shut them up. youre right though that guy doing that was a bit sickening.


  • #376
    Depp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Depp


    scopper wrote: »
    Yours, you are deep in a filter-bubble, like the other side. From the outside you are both extremists nobody wants to deal with.

    so because i oppose a group that use violence and intimidation to silence free speech im in a filter bubble am i? and by ''other side'' what are you trying to say? I oppose antifa so im a fascist?


  • #377
    A Little Pony
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,875 ✭✭✭A Little Pony


    20Cent wrote: »
    red ears wrote: »
    Then what right have you to complain when a bunch of weedy student types in black masks get beat up then.

    Nazi getting punched good.
    Non Nazis being attacked not good.
    Simples.

    I'd be on the not a nazi side.
    Nazis and communists, same horrific ideologies who deserve to get the crap beaten out of them.


  • #378
    A Little Pony
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,875 ✭✭✭A Little Pony


    20Cent wrote: »
    Depp wrote: »
    its this hypocracy thats my main problem with antifa...in what messed up viewpoint does fascism/nazi = bad but communism/ussr = good.

    surely any rational mind would see them as one and the same, evil, murderous totalitarian regimes fueled by flawed ideologies?

    Their not communists they're anarchists mostly. Stalins regime wasn't communist either.
    lol what history books you read? You missed his collectivization programme I presume.


  • #379
    20Cent
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,940 ✭✭✭20Cent


    A Little Pony wrote: »
    lol what history books you read? You missed his collectivization programme I presume.

    Stalin had more in common with fascism than communism.


  • #380
    Call Me Jimmy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,449 ✭✭✭Call Me Jimmy


    20 cent you are too funny. and you point out the guy punching the girl but not antifa hitting people in the head with sticks unprovoked and throwing explosives into crowds.


  • #381
    Richard Hillman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    20Cent wrote: »
    Stalin had more in common with fascism than communism.


    They are the same thing


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  • #382
    Depp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Depp


    20Cent wrote: »
    Stalin had more in common with fascism than communism.

    other than the fact he was by definition a communist...says a lot about communism doesnt it :D


  • #383
    20Cent
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,940 ✭✭✭20Cent


    Depp wrote: »
    other than the fact he was by definition a communist...says a lot about communism doesnt it :D

    He got his own ism Stalinism.

    Dunno why this is being discussed anyway .


  • #384
    Depp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Depp


    20Cent wrote: »
    He got his own ism Stalinism.

    Dunno why this is being discussed anyway .

    stalinism is merely enforced communism, which is the only way it can work on a large scale. To act like theyre completely different things is wholly dishonest.

    Also its relevent because antifa are a self identified anarcho-communist group who regularly display the symbols of and glorify the ussr


  • #385
    Sweetemotion
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,558 ✭✭✭Sweetemotion


    20Cent wrote: »
    He got his own ism Stalinism.

    Dunno why this is being discussed anyway .


    Nobody can be this stupid :pac:


    20cent. You're a joke at this stage.


  • #386
    Depp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Depp


    Sweetemotion wrote: »
    Nobody can be this stupid :pac:


    20cent. You're a joke at this stage.

    *closes laptop* ''I'm not posting on boards anymore, they're all fascists''

    :D:D


  • #387
    20Cent
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,940 ✭✭✭20Cent


    Depp wrote: »
    stalinism is merely enforced communism, which is the only way it can work on a large scale. To act like theyre completely different things is wholly dishonest.

    Also its relevent because antifa are a self identified anarcho-communist group who regularly display the symbols of and glorify the ussr

    Their anarcho communists now. They are anti fascist. Within that you have a mixture of different ideologies one of which may be communism but its not a guiding principle. Just making excuses trying to label it communist or Stalinist to justify the violence against them.


  • #388
    Depp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Depp


    20Cent wrote: »
    Their anarcho communists now. They are anti fascist. Within that you have a mixture of different ideologies one of which may be communism but its not a guiding principle. Just making excuses trying to label it communist or Stalinist to justify the violence against them.

    the violence against them is a response to violence perpetrated by them, their own violence justifies it. The only reason I'm pointing out ideologies behind the organization is because they are factual and people deserve to know the facts. If someone wants to have communist ideals whatever they're a loony in my opinion but I'm not the thought police, however, when someone who holds these views wants to use violence and intimidation to silence opposing political views thus furthering their own (how terrorism works). they can get fcuked.
    terrorism
    noun
    the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.


  • #389
    gitzy16v
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,093 ✭✭✭gitzy16v


    20Cent wrote: »
    Their anarcho communists now. They are anti fascist. Within that you have a mixture of different ideologies one of which may be communism but its not a guiding principle. Just making excuses trying to label it communist or Stalinist to justify the violence against them.

    POT MEET KETTLE


  • #390
    WinnyThePoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,417 ✭✭✭WinnyThePoo


    My God this thread is hilarious.

    The defense of the edl and Spencer is so funny.


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  • #391
    Depp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Depp


    WinnyThePoo wrote: »
    My God this thread is hilarious.

    The defense of the edl and Spencer is so funny.

    As is the defense of antifa, two cheeks of the same arse


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