Dublin GAA Discussion Thread MOD WARNING POST #2944

ProudDUB · 09-04-2017 09:06PM

Yerra shure, 'tis only the league. Isn't it gas to see Les Animaux so excited about winning a league game in April?

Ah no, only kidding. Fair play to them. They played Connolly like a fiddle and naturally he fell for it. Like he always does. No sympathy whatsoever for him.

Lots of lessons learned today. I'd much rather learrn them in April, than in August or September. The ballyhoo over the unbeaten streak and the come from behind wins/draws....papered over a lot of cracks. Bottom line is, we failed to beat Tyrone, Kerry (twice) and Donegal and, we were blessed to leave Clones with a result. There is a lot of work still to be done. That was the worst display by a Dublin half forward line as I have seen in a long time....crap ball after crap ball, fired into the forwards, 5 ft over their heads. Utter madness.

Thought we looked very leggy today overall. The only bright spark was Mannion. Think our bench needs a bit of an overhaul too. We need more younger, fresher legs, a la Cormac Costello in last years AI final replay. MDMA & Kev Mc have done amazing things in Dublin jerseys and they still have a big role to play, but bringing on 30 somethings, when you are chasing a game is risky business.

Oh well...onward and upwards. I'm glad all this unbeaten streak stuff is over. It was taking on a life of its own, that wasn't necessarily healthy. So then....Wexico/Laois start yizzer engines...we's a comin' !

PS Are we taking up a collection to pay for a therapist for Fenton? He won't know what to do with himself tonight.

Stoner · 09-04-2017 09:09PM

Things from today.

Mannion is a starter
Reddin is improving and looks to have a potential roll in midfield where he can kick in a couple of scores
Scully has the stuff but needs more time.
When you play brogan the half forward line or someone like MDMA needs to bring or play him the right ball. Feck all use up defending.

We still have an issue in the back line. Cooper was badly missed today and Byrne of the bench doesn't have the speed to make an impact imo.
Cian O'Sullivan, I'm glad he got this wake up call now rather than later.

MDMA starting is possibly a must now.

Would be nice to get Costello back out as soon as possible.
There is a nice line of forwards there Scully, McHugh, Costello, O'Callaghan and Mannion would be good to start some more of them and bring others on a bit.
Mannion for me was 100 percent ready to start last year.

ProudDUB · 09-04-2017 09:29PM

Agree 100% on Reddin. Would love to see him get a good run of games under his belt. The Mannion situ is a bit more complicated. Like Kev Mc, when he starts, the results can be very, very much a mixed bag.

TCDStudent1 · 09-04-2017 09:31PM

Stoner wrote: »

Things from today.

Mannion is a starter
Reddin is improving and looks to have a potential roll in midfield where he can kick in a couple of scores
Scully has the stuff but needs more time.
When you play brogan the half forward line or someone like MDMA needs to bring or play him the right ball. Feck all use up defending.

We still have an issue in the back line. Cooper was badly missed today and Byrne of the bench doesn't have the speed to make an impact imo.
Cian O'Sullivan, I'm glad he got this wake up call now rather than later.

MDMA starting is possibly a must now.

Would be nice to get Costello back out as soon as possible.
There is a nice line of forwards there Scully, McHugh, Costello, O'Callaghan and Mannion would be good to start some more of them and bring others on a bit.
Mannion for me was 100 percent ready to start last year.

Is he injured?

Stoner · 09-04-2017 09:32PM

ProudDUB wrote:

Agree 100% on Reddin. Would love to see him get a good run of games under his belt. The Mannion situ is a bit more complicated. Like Kev Mc, when he starts, the results can be very, very much a mixed bag.

True. But he has a bit of a big game knack to him,

Plus leave him on for the pennos!

ProudDUB · 09-04-2017 09:37PM

He certainly has a knack of getting goals against Kerry. It's hard to believe he is 4 years on from that wonder goal in the 2013 AI semi final and, he has still to nail down a starting jersey, or even be Jim's 1st or 2nd go to guy off the bench. Even with his taking a year off in China, you'd think he'd have progressed a wee bit more in 4 years, wouldn't you?

corny · 09-04-2017 09:45PM

Just watching it back.....the workrate was really poor. I thought Lowndes looked tired in Clones but he was out on his feet today. Not like Flynner not to be interested in tracking back either but he let lads ghost passed him regularly.

Anthony Mahers reaction to the black card was priceless btw. Didn't give a **** about the card or the lecture from the ref. Only concerned about the yard he thought was being cheated out of. Ha ha. Black card business is a joke.

ProudDUB · 09-04-2017 10:02PM

It's too late to do anything about it now, but Dean Rock looks like a man sorely in need of a rest. He seems to play every single game, not just in this years league, but the last two as well. I'd like to see him take a good long break next year. The debate on the merits of carrying him purely for the frees are long, long over. He won't have to worry about getting the starting jersey back again. Plus, it would be good to see someone else get some decent experience under their belt on the frees and 45's, just in case Deano is injured or gets a card. Didn't Costello take them all last year up in Newry, when Deano had a rare day off? Did a pretty good job of it too.

Stoner · 09-04-2017 10:25PM

He did a great job that day. Straight over pure power and accuracy Keavney style

ProudDUB · 09-04-2017 10:34PM

Stoner wrote: »

He did a great job that day. Straight over pure power and accuracy Keavney style

Ah, lets not get carried away now. Powerful, they ain't. Most of them barely made it over the bar, (there was a stiff breeze, if memory serves) but they went over and, that is all that matters.

Stoner · 09-04-2017 10:39PM

ProudDUB wrote:

Ah, lets not get carried away now. Powerful, they ain't. Most of them barely made it over the bar, (there was a stiff breeze if memory serves) but they went over and, that is all that matters.

No they were low, hard and straight. He has an unusual style and it's similar to JK.

Such shots in hurling and football can be very useful in windy conditions, keeping the angle low. Can create the odd goal in a game too.

He also took over on a championship game too I think can't remember which one.

JRant · 09-04-2017 10:50PM

Thought Kerry dealt with our kickouts very well today. When they didn't win the ball they just fouled the man and gave away a free, allowing the team to file back.

JG left Lowdnes on about 10 minutes to long IMO. He was blowing out his arsè from early in the 2nd half and looked spent coming off. Not sure why Berno was left on either. He struggled today but in fairness the ball into the inside forwards was shocking all day.

All in it should be a good kick up the backside for a few of our team. Philly needs to get back to playing football and cut the messing out. Dermo, well I'm not sure what JG can do about him. It's a price worth paying when he's on song but if he can't stay on the field then he's no use to anyone.

ProudDUB · 09-04-2017 10:53PM

Stoner wrote: »

No they were low, hard and straight. He has an unusual style and it's similar to JK.

Such shots in hurling and football can be very useful in windy conditions, keeping the angle low. Can create the odd goal in a game too.

He also took over on a championship game too I think can't remember which one.

I'll take your word for it so. I'm not old enough to remember watching Jimmy Keavney in person.

I'm not dissing CC, but my memory of Newry is that the vast majority of the frees were fairly close to the Down goal, so giving it tremendous welly wasn't really required.

ProudDUB · 09-04-2017 10:56PM

JRant wrote: »

Thought Kerry dealt with our kickouts very well today. When they didn't win the ball they just fouled the man and gave away a free, allowing the team to file back.

JG left Lowdnes on about 10 minutes to long IMO. He was blowing out his arsè from early in the 2nd half and looked spent coming off. Not sure why Berno was left on either. He struggled today but in fairness the ball into the inside forwards was shocking all day.

All in it should be a good kick up the backside for a few of our team. Philly needs to get back to playing football and cut the messing out. Dermo, well I'm not sure what JG can do about him. It's a price worth paying when he's on song but if he can't stay on the field then he's no use to anyone.

Yep & he's only one more black card away from an automatic one game suspension. Might not be a bad idea to take another one for the team in the Leinster quarterfinal or final. Then get the suspension out of the way early and start the knock out stages with a clean slate. Shockingly cynical of me, right?

windy shepard henderson · 09-04-2017 11:23PM

think o'gara was ledt on too long today , his ball distrubition in the second half was poor , the game though will stand to the likes of scully who tried hard against a really good full back line ,

the only shame after a cracker like that is nither the dubs or kerry will meet the same level in chamionship until august

JRant · 09-04-2017 11:36PM

ProudDUB wrote: »

Yep & he's only one more black card away from an automatic one game suspension. Might not be a bad idea to take another one for the team in the Leinster quarterfinal or final, get the suspension out of the way early, and start the knock out stages with a clean slate. Shockingly cynical of me, right?

Nearly as cynical as Mahers "tackle" at the end of the game today

ProudDUB · 10-04-2017 08:42AM

JRant wrote: »

Nearly as cynical as Mahers "tackle" at the end of the game today

Sssssshhh. It's "intelligent game management" or "inate cuteness" when its Kerry. It's outrageous cynicism, when it's everyone else. Did you not get the memo from Daragh O'Se on that?

DoctaDee · 10-04-2017 09:31AM

If Kerry's cynicism, ref decisions or any other influences which were outside of the teams control were the reasons we were beaten yesterday - I'd be arguing the toss too - but in reality we were 2nd best for long periods yesterday.

In actual fact we've been 2nd best for much of this season - doll it up how we like but we've won only half the games we've played this year - and being hyper critical we should've had another 1-2 losses before yesterday.

There's cold comfort in thinking another provincial championship as some redemption - simple fact of the matter is standards have dropped and some of the leaders have had a poor year

Gael85 · 10-04-2017 10:46AM

DoctaDee wrote: »

If Kerry's cynicism, ref decisions or any other influences which were outside of the teams control were the reasons we were beaten yesterday - I'd be arguing the toss too - but in reality we were 2nd best for long periods yesterday.

In actual fact we've been 2nd best for much of this season - doll it up how we like but we've won only half the games we've played this year - and being hyper critical we should've had another 1-2 losses before yesterday.

There's cold comfort in thinking another provincial championship as some redemption - simple fact of the matter is standards have dropped and some of the leaders have had a poor year

A few positives to take from league. Plenty fight in the group. Was going to catch up on us sooner of later giving teams a head start. We blooded Scully, Reddin,Lowndes,Basquel and McHugh in and seen what they about. Some have stepped up, other haven't. Still have Cooper, Jack Mc, Small, Costello and O'Callaghan to come back

Patser · 10-04-2017 12:05PM

So looking forward, what chance our next match being an away game? After last year's trip to Kilkenny not being a sell out, there's a chance they might allow us on the road again.

Worryingly I see the weekend of our 1st Leinster game, Kildare have a pitch set but Meath's game and Dublin's are TBC which smacks of double header to me.

Ken Tucky · 10-04-2017 12:39PM

Patser wrote: »

So looking forward, what chance our next match being an away game? After last year's trip to Kilkenny not being a sell out, there's a chance they might allow us on the road again.

Worryingly I see the weekend of our 1st Leinster game, Kildare have a pitch set but Meath's game and Dublin's are TBC which smacks of double header to me.

We are headed to Wexford or Portlaoise as far as i can tell.

Meeting the winners of Wexford v Carlow. Personally i want to go to Wexford. Great strawberries that time of the year:D

gormdubhgorm · 10-04-2017 12:42PM

What a difference a point, makes!

It is great gas reading posts / hearing comments from Dublin supporters about this game to be honest.
The Dublin team is finished getting old, they were bad all the league, there is no pace in the forwards, there needs to be changes in defence!
Oh and Rock does not do enough from play, Philly gets forward too much! :eek:

Competently ignoring the fact that Dublin were fortune to qualify for the league knock outs in the last few years, as Jim Gavin experimented.

This year the likes of Scully. Lowdnes, McHugh, Reddin got more game time and experience.

It is not that bad I will take one loss every 37 games or so!

If Dublin had won narrowly the posts would be Dublin's winning mentality, winning ugly, psychologically keeping Kerry down, and now set up for the championship.

I am delighted that Dublin have some form of competition in the years ahead.

It is just a shame that the games are so few and far between.

According to this:

Kerry and Dublin could meet in the 2017 all-Ireland final if it goes to form?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_All-Ireland_Senior_Football_Championship

Patser · 10-04-2017 12:45PM

Ken Tucky wrote: »

We are headed to Wexford or Portlaoise as far as i can tell.

Meeting the winners of Wexford v Carlow. Personally i want to go to Wexford. Great strawberries that time of the year:D

Aye, bank holiday weekend again, so throw the family into a caravan in Kilmuckridge, tell them it's as good as Spain and spend the savings on a session at the match.

Why is Portlaoise even in consideration? Neutral venue needed? I'm sure even Carlow would prefer Wexford, and with that decided now we can start booking things.

Ken Tucky · 10-04-2017 12:55PM

I guess Portlaoise is closest 'home' venue for Carlow.

Dont know much about either teams now to be honest. Should we be expecting a Wexford win or are both teams as good/bad as each other?

Kilmuckridge+caravan+June = memories:)

mystic86 · 10-04-2017 01:18PM

Just curious, what age is Ciaran Reddin? And Niall Scully?

Stoner · 10-04-2017 01:24PM

mystic86 wrote:

Just curious, what age is Ciaran Reddin? And Niall Scully?

Scully is 22 I think and Reddin is 24. I thought he was older.

Stoner · 10-04-2017 01:26PM

gormdubhgorm wrote:

If Dublin had won narrowly the posts would be Dublin's winning mentality, winning ugly, psychologically keeping Kerry down, and now set up for the championship.

Exactly. I was a little disappointed to lose but in a funny kind of way I'd have preferred a slightly bigger loss.
A win would have papered over the cracks of our poorest league in a number of years

EICVD · 10-04-2017 01:35PM

Ken Tucky wrote: »

I guess Portlaoise is closest 'home' venue for Carlow.

Dont know much about either teams now to be honest. Should we be expecting a Wexford win or are both teams as good/bad as each other?

Kilmuckridge+caravan+June = memories:)

Wexford should win handy. They'd a 100% record in the league until they completely changed the team for their penultimate game & got murdered by Westmeath, got hammered twice after that too though. A lesson to not change a winning team indeed!

RuMan · 10-04-2017 02:12PM

League really should be about unearthing a few new players , especially given the mileage the dubs have on the clock over the last few years.
Important not to overreact , although we looked a but weak down the middle yesterday.
Build up was too slow yesterday, would like to see early ball into the full forwards and allow them to take on their men more.
Anytime Kilkenny ran at pace we looked dangerous, when McCaffrey comes back should add here.

Gael85 · 10-04-2017 02:49PM

Stoner wrote: »

Scully is 22 I think and Reddin is 24. I thought he was older.

Reddin is 26 Scully 23

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