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Patser

So looking forward, what chance our next match being an away game? After last year's trip to Kilkenny not being a sell out, there's a chance they might allow us on the road again.

Worryingly I see the weekend of our 1st Leinster game, Kildare have a pitch set but Meath's game and Dublin's are TBC which smacks of double header to me.

Gael85

DoctaDee wrote: »

If Kerry's cynicism, ref decisions or any other influences which were outside of the teams control were the reasons we were beaten yesterday - I'd be arguing the toss too - but in reality we were 2nd best for long periods yesterday.

In actual fact we've been 2nd best for much of this season - doll it up how we like but we've won only half the games we've played this year - and being hyper critical we should've had another 1-2 losses before yesterday.

There's cold comfort in thinking another provincial championship as some redemption - simple fact of the matter is standards have dropped and some of the leaders have had a poor year

A few positives to take from league. Plenty fight in the group. Was going to catch up on us sooner of later giving teams a head start. We blooded Scully, Reddin,Lowndes,Basquel and McHugh in and seen what they about. Some have stepped up, other haven't. Still have Cooper, Jack Mc, Small, Costello and O'Callaghan to come back

DoctaDee

If Kerry's cynicism, ref decisions or any other influences which were outside of the teams control were the reasons we were beaten yesterday - I'd be arguing the toss too - but in reality we were 2nd best for long periods yesterday.

In actual fact we've been 2nd best for much of this season - doll it up how we like but we've won only half the games we've played this year - and being hyper critical we should've had another 1-2 losses before yesterday.

There's cold comfort in thinking another provincial championship as some redemption - simple fact of the matter is standards have dropped and some of the leaders have had a poor year

ProudDUB

JRant wrote: »

Nearly as cynical as Mahers "tackle" at the end of the game today

Sssssshhh. It's "intelligent game management" or "inate cuteness" when its Kerry. It's outrageous cynicism, when it's everyone else. Did you not get the memo from Daragh O'Se on that?

JRant

ProudDUB wrote: »

Yep & he's only one more black card away from an automatic one game suspension. Might not be a bad idea to take another one for the team in the Leinster quarterfinal or final, get the suspension out of the way early, and start the knock out stages with a clean slate. Shockingly cynical of me, right?

Nearly as cynical as Mahers "tackle" at the end of the game today

windy shepard henderson

think o'gara was ledt on too long today , his ball distrubition in the second half was poor , the game though will stand to the likes of scully who tried hard against a really good full back line ,

the only shame after a cracker like that is nither the dubs or kerry will meet the same level in chamionship until august

ProudDUB

JRant wrote: »

Thought Kerry dealt with our kickouts very well today. When they didn't win the ball they just fouled the man and gave away a free, allowing the team to file back.

JG left Lowdnes on about 10 minutes to long IMO. He was blowing out his arsè from early in the 2nd half and looked spent coming off. Not sure why Berno was left on either. He struggled today but in fairness the ball into the inside forwards was shocking all day.

All in it should be a good kick up the backside for a few of our team. Philly needs to get back to playing football and cut the messing out. Dermo, well I'm not sure what JG can do about him. It's a price worth paying when he's on song but if he can't stay on the field then he's no use to anyone.

Yep & he's only one more black card away from an automatic one game suspension. Might not be a bad idea to take another one for the team in the Leinster quarterfinal or final. Then get the suspension out of the way early and start the knock out stages with a clean slate. Shockingly cynical of me, right?

ProudDUB

Stoner wrote: »

No they were low, hard and straight. He has an unusual style and it's similar to JK.

Such shots in hurling and football can be very useful in windy conditions, keeping the angle low. Can create the odd goal in a game too.

He also took over on a championship game too I think can't remember which one.

I'll take your word for it so. I'm not old enough to remember watching Jimmy Keavney in person.

I'm not dissing CC, but my memory of Newry is that the vast majority of the frees were fairly close to the Down goal, so giving it tremendous welly wasn't really required.

JRant

Thought Kerry dealt with our kickouts very well today. When they didn't win the ball they just fouled the man and gave away a free, allowing the team to file back.

JG left Lowdnes on about 10 minutes to long IMO. He was blowing out his arsè from early in the 2nd half and looked spent coming off. Not sure why Berno was left on either. He struggled today but in fairness the ball into the inside forwards was shocking all day.

All in it should be a good kick up the backside for a few of our team. Philly needs to get back to playing football and cut the messing out. Dermo, well I'm not sure what JG can do about him. It's a price worth paying when he's on song but if he can't stay on the field then he's no use to anyone.

Stoner

ProudDUB wrote:

Ah, lets not get carried away now. Powerful, they ain't. Most of them barely made it over the bar, (there was a stiff breeze if memory serves) but they went over and, that is all that matters.

No they were low, hard and straight. He has an unusual style and it's similar to JK.

Such shots in hurling and football can be very useful in windy conditions, keeping the angle low. Can create the odd goal in a game too.

He also took over on a championship game too I think can't remember which one.

ProudDUB

Stoner wrote: »

He did a great job that day. Straight over pure power and accuracy Keavney style

Ah, lets not get carried away now. Powerful, they ain't. Most of them barely made it over the bar, (there was a stiff breeze, if memory serves) but they went over and, that is all that matters.

Stoner

He did a great job that day. Straight over pure power and accuracy Keavney style

ProudDUB

It's too late to do anything about it now, but Dean Rock looks like a man sorely in need of a rest. He seems to play every single game, not just in this years league, but the last two as well. I'd like to see him take a good long break next year. The debate on the merits of carrying him purely for the frees are long, long over. He won't have to worry about getting the starting jersey back again. Plus, it would be good to see someone else get some decent experience under their belt on the frees and 45's, just in case Deano is injured or gets a card. Didn't Costello take them all last year up in Newry, when Deano had a rare day off? Did a pretty good job of it too.

corny

Just watching it back.....the workrate was really poor. I thought Lowndes looked tired in Clones but he was out on his feet today. Not like Flynner not to be interested in tracking back either but he let lads ghost passed him regularly.

Anthony Mahers reaction to the black card was priceless btw. Didn't give a **** about the card or the lecture from the ref. Only concerned about the yard he thought was being cheated out of. Ha ha. Black card business is a joke.

ProudDUB

He certainly has a knack of getting goals against Kerry. It's hard to believe he is 4 years on from that wonder goal in the 2013 AI semi final and, he has still to nail down a starting jersey, or even be Jim's 1st or 2nd go to guy off the bench. Even with his taking a year off in China, you'd think he'd have progressed a wee bit more in 4 years, wouldn't you?

Stoner

ProudDUB wrote:

Agree 100% on Reddin. Would love to see him get a good run of games under his belt. The Mannion situ is a bit more complicated. Like Kev Mc, when he starts, the results can be very, very much a mixed bag.

True. But he has a bit of a big game knack to him,

Plus leave him on for the pennos!

TCDStudent1

Stoner wrote: »

Things from today.

Mannion is a starter
Reddin is improving and looks to have a potential roll in midfield where he can kick in a couple of scores
Scully has the stuff but needs more time.
When you play brogan the half forward line or someone like MDMA needs to bring or play him the right ball. Feck all use up defending.

We still have an issue in the back line. Cooper was badly missed today and Byrne of the bench doesn't have the speed to make an impact imo.
Cian O'Sullivan, I'm glad he got this wake up call now rather than later.

MDMA starting is possibly a must now.

Would be nice to get Costello back out as soon as possible.
There is a nice line of forwards there Scully, McHugh, Costello, O'Callaghan and Mannion would be good to start some more of them and bring others on a bit.
Mannion for me was 100 percent ready to start last year.

Is he injured?

ProudDUB

Agree 100% on Reddin. Would love to see him get a good run of games under his belt. The Mannion situ is a bit more complicated. Like Kev Mc, when he starts, the results can be very, very much a mixed bag.

Stoner

Things from today.

Mannion is a starter
Reddin is improving and looks to have a potential roll in midfield where he can kick in a couple of scores
Scully has the stuff but needs more time.
When you play brogan the half forward line or someone like MDMA needs to bring or play him the right ball. Feck all use up defending.

We still have an issue in the back line. Cooper was badly missed today and Byrne of the bench doesn't have the speed to make an impact imo.
Cian O'Sullivan, I'm glad he got this wake up call now rather than later.

MDMA starting is possibly a must now.

Would be nice to get Costello back out as soon as possible.
There is a nice line of forwards there Scully, McHugh, Costello, O'Callaghan and Mannion would be good to start some more of them and bring others on a bit.
Mannion for me was 100 percent ready to start last year.

ProudDUB

Yerra shure, 'tis only the league. Isn't it gas to see Les Animaux so excited about winning a league game in April?

Ah no, only kidding. Fair play to them. They played Connolly like a fiddle and naturally he fell for it. Like he always does. No sympathy whatsoever for him.

Lots of lessons learned today. I'd much rather learrn them in April, than in August or September. The ballyhoo over the unbeaten streak and the come from behind wins/draws....papered over a lot of cracks. Bottom line is, we failed to beat Tyrone, Kerry (twice) and Donegal and, we were blessed to leave Clones with a result. There is a lot of work still to be done. That was the worst display by a Dublin half forward line as I have seen in a long time....crap ball after crap ball, fired into the forwards, 5 ft over their heads. Utter madness.

Thought we looked very leggy today overall. The only bright spark was Mannion. Think our bench needs a bit of an overhaul too. We need more younger, fresher legs, a la Cormac Costello in last years AI final replay. MDMA & Kev Mc have done amazing things in Dublin jerseys and they still have a big role to play, but bringing on 30 somethings, when you are chasing a game is risky business.

Oh well...onward and upwards. I'm glad all this unbeaten streak stuff is over. It was taking on a life of its own, that wasn't necessarily healthy. So then....Wexico/Laois start yizzer engines...we's a comin' !

PS Are we taking up a collection to pay for a therapist for Fenton? He won't know what to do with himself tonight.

Stoner

I would have preferred a bigger loss the be honest. Very nearly pulled the game back. Better team won and it was the 20 minutes after the break that did it. I thought Daly had a particularly poor day and the kerry boys had their shooting boots on. Good luck to them.

A bigger difference would give a bigger wake up call.

The better team won. Had we leveled and won in extra time it would be papering over the cracks.

I'll welcomeâ€‹ Cooper and McCaffery back.

ThunbergsAreGo

An awful 20 minutes, some strange calls, some cracking scores from kerry and still it takes a last minute free hitting the post for us to lose.

Agree with most of what has said but This will stand to us. More confident then ever of the big three

CurryFlavoured

Are we a bit lightweight around the middle? I like our running game but we couldn't compete with Moran in the air or the tackle. And I'm not suggesting starting McAuley again, good impact sub for sure but too clumsy over 70 minutes.

Corny, I wouldn't write off all of our forwards due to age but I don't think our forward line puts great fear into the opposition. Bernard isn't near what he used to be. I'm not saying he doesn't have a role to play, but I don't like him starting every week. Dean Rock from open play has never really been a guy to take on his man and threaten every time he gets the ball. Andrews had a bad day but I like him as a footballer, he's a very strong target man and is usually good for 2-3 points. Kev Mc only played 15 minutes today, he has a lot to offer Dublin. But I don't believe we have a standout inside forward who'll terrorise the defence. Not like McManus, McBrearty, like Geaney did to us today, or like Bernard used to do to every team.

And to the guy who asked me, I'd like to see more of Mannion. He has some real pace and a very accurate left foot. He has a weird style of play but if he scores I won't care. Also, where is Cormac Costello?

corny

Poor performance. Kerry ran the legs off us.

How BB finished the game is an absolute mystery to me but it highlights the area where Dublin are deteriorating. Our forwards used to expose the likes of Fionn Fitzgerald in one on one battles. Now, physically, he seems to have the upper hand. Mannion came on and did what Andrews, Kev Mc and Brogan used to routinely do....run at and expose his man. The difference he made was startling. I know some of them are heroes but we've too many men in their late twenties/early thirties in the forwards. Mayo exposed a lot of these frailties the last serious game we played but sheer doggedness got us over the line. Can't last. Time marches forward. Hope we see the likes of C O'Callaghan and Mannion grab it by the bollox come the summer.

Kerry worked out McMahon too. Gone are the days of wasting a forward chasing him. He works hard up and down the pitch but i'd much prefer a corner back who believes stopping his man is his primary job. Without Bastick (and Connolly even though most don't appreciate that part of his game) we're suddenly vulnerable to runners coming through the middle. I was beginning to believe the hype about Cian and the magic sweeper role. Nah knew it was bull****. Maybe a switch of O'Sullivan for McMahon is on order. O' Sullivan is a tenacious man marker and McMahon has all the football in him to play like Ger Brennan used too from 6. Too obvious??????

Ken Tucky

It's been coming for a while. Forwards so poor today but ball in was awful. Maybe Kerry have sussed us out.

But all in all we were poor and still nearly pulled it out of the bag. Great bunch of lads

Paulzx

Mixed feelings about today.

Positives

Mannion looked the part today. If he keeps this form he's going to have a savage championship.

I thought Reddin had a good first half and Kilkenny was defintely an offensive threat instead of playing "quarterback"

Negatives

Defensively in the second half we were baffling. Lethargic, naive and gave far too much space to Kerry. Lazy tackles conceding frees too easy. It's like we left our energy in the dressing room

Despite that the most disappointing thing for me was the stupid lack of discipline that is going to cost us in the Championship. McCarthy was lucky to stay on. I can't believe a player of his experinece is willing to risk numerous off the ball stupid strikes. Philly doesn't need to make the tackles with a closed fist. He's setting himself up for a red. Dermo done a dermo. Even Fenton was at silly stuff

Thats the part Gavin needs to sort out before the championship

Kh1993

Berno wasn't too bad. Some terrible passes to him. Whole full forward line nothing special til Mannion came on tbh.

Lost game in 10 mins after Connolly's black and 15 after half time. Headless and we panicked.

Some iffy decisions but we can't keep getting out of jail with late comebacks. No chance we would have gone unbeaten all season if we had have rescued today.

PressRun

CurryFlavoured wrote: »

Well beaten today. Bernard and Philly were particularly poor, we probably missed Connolly who was up to his usual crap. None of our forwards really got into the game other than Kilkenny maybe, and of course Mannion when he came on.

Mannion to start in the summer?

Slattsy

No excuses lads.

I'll draft my synopsis in me head for the next few hours. Enjoy the pints! No one died, chins up.

CurryFlavoured

Well beaten today. Bernard and Philly were particularly poor, we probably missed Connolly who was up to his usual crap. None of our forwards really got into the game other than Kilkenny maybe, and of course Mannion when he came on.