Eir rural FTTH thread

Gonzo · 08-04-2017 10:45PM

rob808 wrote: »

Im down for Autumn wonder when I'll see them putting fibre on my road.

you could be one of the lucky ones where you'll see them start and within 6 weeks be live, not a drawn out affair like in my area with 12 months of waiting after works started!. It was all the ducting and reduced manpower at the start of the rollout which delayed my area, I reckon there was also other delays that I don't know about which caused our area to not go live till now. I reckon my area was one of the first areas to have started on the blue line rural scheme.

Now that I'm up and running it was well worth the wait, but all the delays and problems sure was a roller coaster ride!.

daraghwal · 08-04-2017 10:47PM

Matt Bauer wrote: »

My neighbour, who's a few hundred metres away, has the blue dot. Looks like the fibre just stops at his house, and there's no more blue dots after him.

It would be so cheap to swing a few hundred metres of fibre across myself...

I'd happily pay for a few kilometres of fibre if it meant I would get a decent bit of broadband!

Matt Bauer · 08-04-2017 10:48PM

I might just share the fibre with him and set up a high speed ubiquity-based point to point link. Got perfect line of sight so gigabit should be no problem. Alternatively I could hook some fibre to the poles to his house and hope no one at eir notices...

The Cush · 08-04-2017 10:52PM

Matt Bauer wrote: »

It would be so cheap to swing a few hundred metres of fibre across myself...

The house indicated on the map is the last house on the line, even with fibre so close it doesn't make it into the 300,000. Every other house on the road is include except that one. What logic?

daraghwal · 08-04-2017 10:55PM

The Cush wrote: »

The house indicated on the map is the last house on the line, even with fibre so close it doesn't make it into the 300,000. Every other house on the road is include except that one. What logic?

Maybe the rest of them fill a splice box and it's not putting up another just for one home? Other than that, I don't think there is any logic. On my road, a lot of houses don't have a computer, never mind broadband and they all pass. My neighbour and I are some of the only two on the road that rely heavily on the internet and we don't pass

daraghwal · 08-04-2017 10:56PM

Matt Bauer wrote: »

I might just share the fibre with him and set up a high speed ubiquity-based point to point link. Got perfect line of sight so gigabit should be no problem. Alternatively I could hook some fibre to the poles to his house and hope no one at eir notices...

Not a bad idea. I'd say you're definitely not the only one thinking about doing it!

rob808 · 08-04-2017 10:58PM

The Cush wrote: »

The house indicated on the map is the last house on the line, even with fibre so close it doesn't make it into the 300,000. Every other house on the road is include except that one. What logic?

It come down to money I guess they have a budge and can't go over it.There 8 houses on my road who aren't getting it but can rest assured that they'll get FTTH of NBP.

The Cush · 08-04-2017 11:07PM

daraghwal wrote: »

Maybe the rest of them fill a splice box and it's not putting up another just for one home? Other than that, I don't think there is any logic.

I think digiman put his finger on it a few days ago

digiman wrote: »

Also, Eir's No. 1 ambition is to go to IPO. It's very obvious from on here with the many examples where they have left out premises who are along the yellow line from their 300k rollout plan or left 1 or 2 houses at the end of a blue line which are only 100m onwards from the last house on the yellow line. It is no more commercially un-viable to serve that house than the one before it. But if you leave it out then it makes it commercially un-viable for SIRO or ENET to connect it as they won't want to rent 3km of dark fibre from Eir to serve that last house 100m from the end of the blue line and you couldn't run 3km of new fibre to connect just 1 house.

A quick scan of local area, they have included an uninhabitable cottage and an abandoned 2012 build with just walls/no roof in the 300,000 rollout.

The abandoned build, I've left the eircode in, there is a council notice at the site entrance from recently asking the owner to contact the council

Johnboy1951 · 08-04-2017 11:13PM

The Cush wrote: »

I think digiman put his finger on it a few days ago

A quick scan of local area, they have included an uninhabitable cottage and an abandoned 2012 build with just walls/no roof in the 300,000 rollout.

Hehehehehe ....... I see the hay barn near me has a new light blue dot.
I have posted about that being on the 'blue line' some time ago, and it is still counted apparently.

EDIT: It seems the hay barn has an Eircode which explains why it is included I guess!

detective · 09-04-2017 09:29AM

The Cush wrote: »

A quick scan of local area, they have included an uninhabitable cottage and an abandoned 2012 build with just walls/no roof in the 300,000 rollout.

They're actually passing my house and my neighbours house. To our left the line travels about 1.5km to the exchange and to out right the line travels about 1.5km to the "end of the line". My house set back about 80 meters from the road as the crow flies and so is my neighbours. I really don't think it would take much to run a line into us.

oleras · 09-04-2017 11:05AM

Nice to see you got sorted Gonzo, but there is no way i would have accepted that installation. Its an absolute disgrace imo.

The guy who carried that out needs to be retrained if that is the standard of install.

long_b · 09-04-2017 11:14AM

oleras wrote: »

Nice to see you got sorted Gonzo, but there is no way i would have accepted that installation. Its an absolute disgrace imo.

The guy who carried that out needs to be retrained if that is the standard of install.

Please explain?

09-04-2017 11:21AM

oleras wrote: »

Nice to see you got sorted Gonzo, but there is no way i would have accepted that installation. Its an absolute disgrace imo.

The guy who carried that out needs to be retrained if that is the standard of install.

The standard of the installation looks OK, the only question I would have is "What is the bend radius of the fibre?"

Gonzo · 09-04-2017 11:24AM

oleras wrote: »

Nice to see you got sorted Gonzo, but there is no way i would have accepted that installation. Its an absolute disgrace imo.

The guy who carried that out needs to be retrained if that is the standard of install.

what's wrong with it? I'm delighted with it, got it into the room I wanted and the job looks tidy. Totally worth it moving from a shame of a connection to a very future proofed connection!.

The only thing he said in relation to the actual fiber is that it is glass and that if it got damaged, the entire installation would have to start again pulling from 4 poles back.

MBSnr · 09-04-2017 11:31AM

Deleted User wrote: »

The standard of the installation looks OK, the only question I would have is "What is the bend radius of the fibre?"

I don't know what core size they use for the fibre, or even if the drop cable from the pole has more than one core but you can bend them pretty tightly. The smaller single core can be bent down to a radius of 4cm...
https://oceanoptics.com/product-category/bend-radius-and-mechanical/

They do suffer loss though as the bend increases. From wikipedia

Beside mechanical destruction, another reason why one should avoid excessive bending of fiber-optic cables is to minimize microbending and macrobending losses. Microbending causes light attenuation induced by deformation of the fiber while macrobending causes the leakage of light through the fiber cladding and this is more likely to happen where the fiber is excessively bent.

KOR101 · 09-04-2017 11:40AM

Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »

The map was updated today.

Tomhaggard in Wexford got given a live date of the 5th of April? Not sure what is going on there.

All these areas are due live on the 3rd of May

Carlow MILFORD
Carlow Tullow
Clare Cratloe
Clare Lisdoonvarna
Cork Carrigtwohill
Cork Midleton
Donegal Carrigart
Donegal Donegal
Galway Claregalway
Galway Kilcolgan
Galway Rosscahill
Kerry Killarney
Kildare Donadea
Kilkenny Knocktopher
Kilkenny Mooncoin
Kilkenny Piltown
Limerick PALLASGREEN
Louth Ardee
Louth Riverstown
Meath Enfield
Meath Trim
Offaly Tullamore
Roscommon CROGHAN
Sligo CASTLEGARREN
Waterford AGLISH
Waterford Dungarvan
Wexford Enniscorthy
Wicklow Arklow
Wicklow Donard

The spreadsheet is updated with the changes.

Total premises (excluding urban-rural) is : 22260 (20.93%)

Those numbers are really encouraging. The other thing to remember about meeting the milestones is that 'premises passed' is just one of the targets. Maybe the other deployment stages are doing a lot better. Your numbers really help in guaging things.

Gonzo · 09-04-2017 11:43AM

KOR101 wrote: »

Those numbers are really encouraging. The other thing to remember about meeting the milestones is that 'premises passed' is just one of the targets. Maybe the other deployment stages are doing a lot better. Your numbers really help in guaging things.

2 weeks ago there was just over 16k passed, that's a huge surge in just 2 weeks and the May rollout looks to be easily the most impressive yet. I can see us hitting over 30k passed by end of May.

oleras · 09-04-2017 11:55AM

long_b wrote: »

Please explain?

The way the cable is brought over the guttering, down the side of the window. Inside is fine, its the outside thats a disgrace.

Would have been much neater if it was brought inside from high up, much easier use white trunking on an inside corner of a room to hide the cable.

The 4 poles back, 300m of cable shouldent be acceptable either.

long_b · 09-04-2017 12:16PM

long_b wrote: »

Interesting - Eir website down at the moment. For "improvements".
Almost definitely something to do with speeding up their delivery of MY broadband connection, surely ?

Can someone please explain what in the name of Jebus is going on here ?

I've refreshed both pages, only possible difference is on one browser I've gone further and checked my Eircode.

EDIT: Looks like updated promotional pricing

Grumpypants · 09-04-2017 12:22PM

long_b wrote: »

Can someone please explain what in the name of Jebus is going on here ?

I've refreshed both pages, only possible difference is on one browser I've gone further and checked my Eircode.

EDIT: Looks like updated promotional pricing

Are you an existing customer? One prob shows a discount. The cheaper one is usually for 4-6 months then it jumps. Click show full details near the bottom and it shows the real price.

Johnboy1951 · 09-04-2017 12:23PM

long_b wrote: »

Can someone please explain what in the name of Jebus is going on here ?

I've refreshed both pages, only possible difference is on one browser I've gone further and checked my Eircode.

EDIT: Looks like updated promotional pricing

Seems you are accessing FTTC pricing and not FTTH (extreme) pricing.

long_b · 09-04-2017 12:33PM

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

Seems you are accessing FTTC pricing and not FTTH (extreme) pricing.

Think that was it. Pretty confusing but.

daraghwal · 09-04-2017 01:21PM

detective wrote: »

They're actually passing my house and my neighbours house. To our left the line travels about 1.5km to the exchange and to out right the line travels about 1.5km to the "end of the line". My house set back about 80 meters from the road as the crow flies and so is my neighbours. I really don't think it would take much to run a line into us.

I am in the exact same position. It there any way the 300,000 homes will be altered to resolve these problems? It seems like it would make commercial sense if the home owner was definitely going to order it.

Johnboy1951 · 09-04-2017 01:35PM

daraghwal wrote: »

I am in the exact same position. It there any way the 300,000 homes will be altered to resolve these problems? It seems like it would make commercial sense if the home owner was definitely going to order it.

Unlikely I think, as when the NBP is in operation those premises connections will be subsidised.

Pangea · 09-04-2017 01:38PM

oleras wrote: »

Nice to see you got sorted Gonzo, but there is no way i would have accepted that installation. Its an absolute disgrace imo.

The guy who carried that out needs to be retrained if that is the standard of install.

100% agree, Lazy workmanship and it doesn't look. Hope I can bring mine through to the attic and drag it down to the room where I already have TV cables running down.

BorneTobyWilde · 09-04-2017 01:47PM

http://www.openeir.ie/Our_Network/#nga-map

Where are the blue lines for rural.
I only see yellow, and green

Johnboy1951 · 09-04-2017 01:55PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

http://www.openeir.ie/Our_Network/#nga-map

Where are the blue lines for rural.
I only see yellow, and green

The blue lines have changed to yellow since the agreement was signed apparently.

09-04-2017 01:56PM

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

The blue lines have changed to yellow since the agreement was signed apparently.

I think the colour was just changed to make them more visible on the maps, nothing more to it than that.

ACLFC7 · 09-04-2017 01:57PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

http://www.openeir.ie/Our_Network/#nga-map

Where are the blue lines for rural.
I only see yellow, and green

OpenEir changed the colour of the rural FTTH lines from blue to yellow about 2 weeks ago I think. Some people still refer to the rural routes as "the blue lines".

Johnboy1951 · 09-04-2017 02:55PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I think the colour was just changed to make them more visible on the maps, nothing more to it than that.

If so they failed!

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