Eir rural FTTH thread

BandMember · 05-04-2017 08:59PM

Grumpypants wrote: »

Got on to chat today and we have successfully placed an order for 1gbps fibre!!!!

We will require a lot of speedtest pics or else the lads will ban you from the thread. :cool:

Tweaky · 05-04-2017 09:07PM

How often does the Eir map update ? Exchange is showing spring summer 2017 on the map and when I do an eircode check on the fibrerollout site I get the same.
However when in the eir website and enter my number I am being told that it is available to me and is confirmed when I enter the eircode. Don't want to have the same mess as Gonzo and others are having with orders being cancelled because they were placed before the go live date.
The exchange is Carrigtwohill in Cork if anyone on here has visibility on go live dates

long_b · 05-04-2017 09:37PM

Tweaky wrote: »

How often does the Eir map update ? Exchange is showing spring summer 2017 on the map and when I do an eircode check on the fibrerollout site I get the same.
However when in the eir website and enter my number I am being told that it is available to me and is confirmed when I enter the eircode. Don't want to have the same mess as Gonzo and others are having with orders being cancelled because they were placed before the go live date.
The exchange is Carrigtwohill in Cork if anyone on here has visibility on go live dates

The map is updated every 3 weeks or so.

I'm in a similar situation

Fibre Where and When map says Go Live on April 19th
Eir FTTH eircode checker = Spring/Summer 2017
Eir website says FTTH available now

EDIT: I've updated my signature with links to the

OpenEir Official Fibre rollout map AKA the Where and When OpenEir map ==> most accurate, has dates for exchanges going live soon
NBP Official Map ==> See if you'll have to wait for NBP or if Eir plans to get to you before then
OpenEir Eir FTTH Eircode checker ==> Similar but from Eir's point of view
Order FTTH broadband only from Eir ==> See if you can order FTTH right now

EDIT EDIT: Wonder if Gonzo was just unlucky as his house wasn't showing up in some maps. Has anyone successfully ordered before official go live date according to the OpenEir map?

Zonda999 · 05-04-2017 10:13PM

Could some body please clear up these points to me, that I can't seem to find a definitive answer to after searching the forum for a bit

My local cabinet is enabled for FTTC and has been since last summer. My house is approximately 3km from this cabinet as the crow flies (Along the road and telephone line, this would be approximately 4.5km). We currently get about 3mb down, 0.2mb up, and have got this consistently for the past five years, the supposed upgrade to the cabinet made little difference to the speed (Actually around the time it was being implemented, it was really erratic).

Our house is covered under the lines that indicate we will be getting FTTH, and supposedly this is meant to be delivered by summer 2018. Heres what I can't seem to find out:

As soon as the FTTH installation is begun in the lines eminating from the exahnge, will the speed we get begin to improve? That is, if the premises closer to the cabinet start to get FTTH, will the speed we get begin to improve over time, as the process progresses?

Also, we are at the farther end of premises for this cabinet to be getting FTTH, can we genuinely expect anything close to 1000mb down? What would be more realistic?

An to be honest, I'm not just wondering about this for me, I have friends further away from the cabinet than this, say 5 to 6 km who are not meant to be getting FTTH. After the FTTH upgrade is complete, can these house holds expect an increase in speed?

Thanks for any knowledgable replies

long_b · 05-04-2017 10:20PM

Zonda999 wrote: »

As soon as the FTTH installation is begun in the lines eminating from the exahnge, will the speed we get begin to improve? That is, if the premises closer to the cabinet start to get FTTH, will the speed we get begin to improve over time, as the process progresses?

No, they're completely separate

Zonda999 wrote: »

Also, we are at the farther end of premises for this cabinet to be getting FTTH, can we genuinely expect anything close to 1000mb down? What would be more realistic?

Distance doesn't matter for FTTH - if you can get it at all you'll get full speeds (150/300/1000)

Zonda999 wrote: »

An to be honest, I'm not just wondering about this for me, I have friends further away from the cabinet than this, say 5 to 6 km who are not meant to be getting FTTH. After the FTTH upgrade is complete, can these house holds expect an increase in speed?

Not until the NBP is put into action

Pangea · 05-04-2017 10:28PM

Im in a up to 1GB fibre area now, but I see different products on the eir site, some saying speeds up to 150mbs and others up to 1GB.
My question is when I upgrade will eircom just give me the top speed my line can take or would they restrict it according to the bundle?

long_b · 05-04-2017 10:31PM

Pangea wrote: »

Im in a up to 1GB fibre area now, but I see different products on the eir site, some saying speeds up to 150mbs and others up to 1GB.
My question is when I upgrade will eircom just give me the top speed my line can take or would they restrict it according to the bundle?

All FTTH lines can get 1Gb.
You will get whatever speed you pay for.

aloevera33 · 05-04-2017 10:35PM

Hi all hoping someone can answer this for me.

My parents house is on the open eir 300k fibre rollout programme. To be completed this year.

Acording to the map they are the last house on that road to get it. I am building a house in the next field along the same road. Will it be possible for me to connect to this fibre broadband also

daraghwal · 05-04-2017 10:45PM

aloevera33 wrote: »

Hi all hoping someone can answer this for me.

My parents house is on the open eir 300k fibre rollout programme. To be completed this year.

Acording to the map they are the last house on that road to get it. I am building a house in the next field along the same road. Will it be possible for me to connect to this fibre broadband also

More than likely NBP unfortunately but you could piggyback off internet from your parents home if you're close enough!

redfacedbear · 05-04-2017 10:45PM

I'm on Tomhaggard exchange in Wexford, which is still showing as Spring/Summer 2017 and hasn't featured in any coming soon notifications.

A door-to-door rep called yesterday evening and claimed our road was going live today. I was sceptical - we've had fibre on the poles and splice boxes up since late January/early February but I haven't seen much activity since and while most of the routes (that I've checked) have the fibre up there's very few that have had the splice boxes installed - even our road didn't have the overhead fibre connected to the ducted fibre until early this week.

I signed up and steeled myself for the inevitable delays and problems, but today I got my confirmation email and booking for next week, so fingers crossed!

long_b · 05-04-2017 10:52PM

redfacedbear wrote: »

I'm on Tomhaggard exchange in Wexford, which is still showing as Spring/Summer 2017 and hasn't featured in any coming soon notifications.

A door-to-door rep called yesterday evening and claimed our road was going live today. I was sceptical - we've had fibre on the poles and splice boxes up since late January/early February but I haven't seen much activity since and while most of the routes (that I've checked) have the fibre up there's very few that have had the splice boxes installed - even our road didn't have the overhead fibre connected to the ducted fibre until early this week.

I signed up and steeled myself for the inevitable delays and problems, but today I got my confirmation email and booking for next week, so fingers crossed!

What deal did you get please?

aloevera33 · 05-04-2017 10:54PM

daraghwal wrote: »

More than likely NBP unfortunately but you could piggyback off internet from your parents home if you're close enough!

Ya it's very close so that might work we will have to wait and see!!

Is there anyone I could contact to get them to extend the line to next field when they are doing it

redfacedbear · 05-04-2017 11:10PM

long_b wrote: »

What deal did you get please?

The 150mb standalone broadband E55pm for 18 months with no introductory deduction. As far as I can see from the literature she left any deductions/shorter contracts were dependent on bundling in something else (phone/tv) - which I wouldn't be interested in.

Pangea · 05-04-2017 11:40PM

I am seeing attic photos etc on this thread, for those of us that dont know how this FFTH works, what exactly is involved with the installation of FFTH, and do I need to have anything particular to facilitate it? :O etc

The Cush · 05-04-2017 11:43PM

Pangea wrote: »

I am seeing attic photos etc on this thread, for those of us that dont know how this FFTH works, what exactly is involved with the installation of FFTH, and do I need to have anything particular to faciltate it? :O etc

A power point nearby where they locate the ODP/ONT.

tsue921i8wljb3 · 06-04-2017 03:41AM

Some more info from my contact.

1. The announcement that 30,000 of the 300,000 are downgradeable to VDSL, by agreement with Naughten can only mean that eir has a new design Combi cabinet coming out. Part VDSL and part OLT. It will have maybe up to 50 VDSL ports not 192 as in the present cabs.

2. The longest optical run I know of now is 10km road length corresponding to 20km PON Length (there n back), This is the limit really for PON as the joints wreck the optical budget.

3. Where an exchange area serves premises more than 10km distant a powered 'intermediate' unit is required to launch the PON nearer the customer and still keep the PON length to 20km. Out there is pairgain territory with feck all copper traditionally.

4. If you drop it at a crossroads then the houses nearby are serveable with cheap VDSL ports (probably as low as €2500 capex for 50 ports or €50 each in that Cab ) and not more expensive fibrey bits like OLT ports and an expensive CPE ONT install on top. You are quids on the margins in by saving you from doing as few as 5 premises with 30mbits launched from that crossroads I make out. And you have to roll out the powered cab anyway even if you only intend to do PON off it, the 50 line card is €2500 or so at most on top of the cab cost.

5. The NEXT NGA deployment plan will no doubt have literally 100s of these things following the 4 roads out of the Glenamaddy exchange and installed at a distance of around 5km from the village average. God help the poor gobshítes living near those crossroads who thought they would get a minimum 150mbits.

There are 2 x 10% exemptions from the 300k premises commitment.

1. 10% of blue line premises can be served from existing VDSL/eVDSL or planned VDSL/eVDSL deployments or 30,000.. Most are in situ but 10,000 of the 30,000 are largely as future eVDSL RFO dates.....most of which are utterly utterly vague.

2. 10% can simply be dumped. If an exchange has no eVDSL then in most cases there is no fibre to that exchange. Some exchanges are quite far from the fibre network and an FTTH fibre rollout will have to follow fibre to the eVDSL unit anyway. Therefore some could be dumped altogether.

6.3 Without derogating from its obligations under clause 4.1, eir may during the Term, acting in good faith, propose reasonable changes to the eir Project Plan. eir must promptly submit the proposed change, along with all supporting information, for the Minister's consideration. However, collectively all changes proposed by eir during the Term must not, in aggregate, impact more than 10% of the total Premises within the eir Deployment Area as at the Effective Date.

and nothing is final until May 2018 when the last High Level design is submitted to DCCAE. Naughten can push away for some village in Roscommon to be added and somewhere in Cork to be dumped.

As many as 30,000 premises can disappear, completely, between now and June 2018 when the final 300k premises are set in stone with the DCCAE. All contractual you understand.

ED E · 06-04-2017 05:34AM

Nocturnal Navi.

But but but Dennis said nobody would be left behind? He said the NBP would cover everyone. He wouldnt lie would he......

long_b · 06-04-2017 06:17AM

ED E wrote: »

Nocturnal Navi.

But but but Dennis said nobody would be left behind? He said the NBP would cover everyone. He wouldnt lie would he......

But this isn't for the NBP, it's for the 300K?

ED E · 06-04-2017 06:53AM

long_b wrote: »

But this isn't for the NBP, it's for the 300K?

The 300k which is moving NBP borders.

Dero · 06-04-2017 08:40AM

ED E wrote: »

The 300k which is moving NBP borders.

Yeah, It's essentially commercial gerrymandering.

damienirel · 06-04-2017 10:22AM

Dero wrote: »

Yeah, It's essentially commercial gerrymandering.

Or cookie licking.

Johnboy1951 · 06-04-2017 11:07AM

I really cannot understand the negative reactions to the eir 300k roll out.

What we should be doing is asking why Enet and Siro have not done something similar.

That they haven't should be telling us something and causing negative reaction to their lack of effort.

IF eir can manage to fulfil the contract that will be a HUGE step forward for 300k premises ...... nearly 1 million people will benefit.

I have my doubts that eir can do this ...... but they have signed a legal agreement, so for now they get the benefit of the doubt from me.

Gonzo · 06-04-2017 11:14AM

I think Siro have more to answer than anyone. Their original press releases pointed towards a rural development and their website had up until recently images of rural ireland, mountains and one off housing which was very misleading. Siro only operate in urban areas and now there website has been updated to reflect that, referring to regional Ireland instead of rural Ireland and images showing more urban like locations.

Siro will never set foot in rural Ireland unless they win part of the NBP. They are an urban fibre broadband provider similar to Virgin Media.

Johnboy1951 · 06-04-2017 11:19AM

ED E wrote: »

Nocturnal Navi.

But but but Dennis said nobody would be left behind? He said the NBP would cover everyone. He wouldnt lie would he......

Hopefully, not in this case.

If eir leave behind 10% of the 300k then they get taken by the NBP.

I don't see the problem ....

jgbyr · 06-04-2017 11:20AM

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

I really cannot understand the negative reactions to the eir 300k roll out.

What we should be doing is asking why Enet and Siro have not done something similar.

That they haven't should be telling us something and causing negative reaction to their lack of effort.

IF eir can manage to fulfil the contract that will be a HUGE step forward for 300k premises ...... nearly 1 million people will benefit.

I have my doubts that eir can do this ...... but they have signed a legal agreement, so for now they get the benefit of the doubt from me.

But aren't Eir just cherry picking with the 300k. They're bypassing properties which will fall now under the nbp & then servicing properties further out the same roads.

Johnboy1951 · 06-04-2017 11:24AM

jgbyr wrote: »

But aren't Eir just cherry picking with the 300k. They're bypassing properties which will fall now under the nbp & then servicing properties further out the same roads.

So you reckon it would be better if they - like the others - did nothing and left everyone to wait for the NBP?

Commercial enterprises 'cherrypick' every day of their existence.
That is how they make profits.

Eir are doing a commercial roll out of some 300k premises.
You think their board would be happy if they deliberately screwed up their profitability by taking on board premises that can never be commercially viable?

jgbyr · 06-04-2017 11:31AM

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

So you reckon it would be better if they - like the others - did nothing and left everyone to wait for the NBP?

Commercial enterprises 'cherrypick' every day of their existence.
That is how they make profits.

Eir are doing a commercial roll out of some 300k premises.
You think their board would be happy if they deliberately screwed up their profitability by taking on board premises that can never be commercially viable?

I don't have the answers. I just think this extra 300k will slow the tender process & make the nbp rollout take even longer.

Johnboy1951 · 06-04-2017 11:47AM

jgbyr wrote: »

I don't have the answers. I just think this extra 300k will slow the tender process & make the nbp rollout take even longer.

It might (unknown and impossible to determine) slow the process a bit ....... but for nearly 1 million people it will speed up the process.

I do not expect the NBP to start rolling out until early 2019, by which time the 300k should be finished.

joe_99 · 06-04-2017 11:49AM

jgbyr wrote: »

I don't have the answers. I just think this extra 300k will slow the tender process & make the nbp rollout take even longer.

If eir follow through with this, 300k will have FTTH by end of Dec-18. There is no way NBP would have gotten there quicker. This has really sped up the process as by the time the contracts are even signed there will be a huge amount of fibre rolled nationwide for quick use by the winner(s) of the contract.

jgbyr · 06-04-2017 12:02PM

joe_99 wrote: »

If eir follow through with this, 300k will have FTTH by end of Dec-18. There is no way NBP would have gotten there quicker. This has really sped up the process as by the time the contracts are even signed there will be a huge amount of fibre rolled nationwide for quick use by the winner(s) of the contract.

This maybe true, but eir have dumped alot of properties that were along the Ftth route & these now will take alot longer to be done under the nbp.

Eir rural FTTH thread

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