The Healy-Raes embarrassing the country yet again

farmchoice · 05-04-2017 01:20PM

Jack the Stripper wrote: »

Let's all drink three pints ffs leave it out.

he didn't say 3 pints he said 3 glasses which is a pint and a half.
at present if you were to drink a pint and a half over the course of say an hour and a half to 2 hours you would most likely be under the legal limit.

Grayson · 05-04-2017 01:22PM

Allinall wrote: »

Maybe read what he said?

If you think 2-3 glasses of guinness wouldn't impair peoples ability then I'm assuming you'd be ok with say commercial pilots or bus drivers drinking whilst on the job. Why not doctors or dentists?

Drinking impairs your reaction times and your ability to control a vehicle. Anyone who refuses to accept that is an idiot....or drunk.

Anyone who drinks any alcohol before driving is taking an additional risk that could lead to theirs or someone elses death.

Don't Chute! · 05-04-2017 01:24PM

Why does he want people to drink and drive AT ALL? The stupidity of these people and their supporters is astonishing.

BattleCorp · 05-04-2017 01:25PM

Grayson wrote: »

If you think 2-3 glasses of guinness wouldn't impair peoples ability then I'm assuming you'd be ok with say commercial pilots or bus drivers drinking whilst on the job. Why not doctors or dentists?

Drinking impairs your reaction times and your ability to control a vehicle. Anyone who refuses to accept that is an idiot....or drunk.

Anyone who drinks any alcohol before driving is taking an additional risk that could lead to theirs or someone elses death.

I'm neither drunk nor an idiot. You could easily be under the drink drive alcohol limit after three glasses of Guinness if you drank them over the course of maybe two hours.

I'm not advocating that people drive when totally scuttered. I'm just saying that drinking two or three glasses of Guinness over a sufficient period wouldn't mean that someone was unfit to drive.

Don't Chute! · 05-04-2017 01:30PM

I've never been able to understand the Irish obsession with drinking just enough to be under the limit for driving. Why can't they just not drink at all?

BattleCorp · 05-04-2017 01:31PM

Don't Chute! wrote: »

I've never been able to understand the Irish obsession with drinking just enough to under the limit for driving. Why can't they just not drink at all?

For the record, I don't drink. And I'm Irish.

We've the same obsession with the speed limit signs. They are targets, not limits.

Jack the Stripper · 05-04-2017 01:46PM

BattleCorp wrote: »

Lets all learn to read.

He said two or three glasses of Guinness, not three pints.

Maybe it's you that needs to read, yes he said glasses but a pint glass is also a glass. Believe that.
Where did he say they were half pints?

Jack the Stripper · 05-04-2017 01:47PM

farmchoice wrote: »

he didn't say 3 pints he said 3 glasses which is a pint and a half.
at present if you were to drink a pint and a half over the course of say an hour and a half to 2 hours you would most likely be under the legal limit.

Where did he say a glass was a half pint? Link?

m5ex9oqjawdg2i · 05-04-2017 01:51PM

Special Circumstances wrote: »

Yeah, I can't actually see the problem with what Healy Rae said at all? Seems like a practical solution. There is another source of large numbers of people to clear the rhodos but I can't see the wishy washy After Hours types favouring people having to do a decent days work if they don't want to.

You are referring to public servants, right?

Grayson · 05-04-2017 02:01PM

BattleCorp wrote: »

I'm neither drunk nor an idiot. You could easily be under the drink drive alcohol limit after three glasses of Guinness if you drank them over the course of maybe two hours.

I'm not advocating that people drive when totally scuttered. I'm just saying that drinking two or three glasses of Guinness over a sufficient period wouldn't mean that someone was unfit to drive.

I'm sure drinking three glasses over three days won't cause issues but that's not what Healy Rae was saying. He was talking with it in respect to the drink driving limit. Shane Ross wants first time offenders, who are over a particular limit, to face a ban. Healy Rae says that if they're over the limit they're perfectly safe. You seem to think that too.

I never said that you said scuttered. You think it's ok to drink three glasses then you'd be ok with bus drivers or commercial pilots or ambulance drivers drinking and driving? That's my point. They might not be scuttered but they'd be in no condition to take responsibility for the lives of others.

farmchoice · 05-04-2017 02:02PM

Jack the Stripper wrote: »

Maybe it's you that needs to read, yes he said glasses but a pint glass is also a glass. Believe that.
Where did he say they were half pints?

we are going off topic here but anyway,
if you go into a pub and order a glass of beer you will get a half pint, if you order a pint you will get a pint.
perhaps you are unfamiliar with bar measures but this distinction would be common knowledge.

Jack the Stripper · 05-04-2017 02:13PM

farmchoice wrote: »

we are going off topic here but anyway,
if you go into a pub and order a glass of beer you will get a half pint, if you order a pint you will get a pint.
perhaps you are unfamiliar with bar measures but this distinction would be common knowledge.

I never knew that now.

please helpThank YOU · 05-04-2017 02:16PM

Healy-Raes Brothers Love to see them in Mass Brawl in Dail Eireann.

homerjay2005 · 05-04-2017 02:18PM

if he wants to encourage people to come out and drink in his pub, then he should be dropping them home himself afterwards.

jmayo · 05-04-2017 02:30PM

Grayson wrote: »

If you think 2-3 glasses of guinness wouldn't impair peoples ability then I'm assuming you'd be ok with say commercial pilots or bus drivers drinking whilst on the job. Why not doctors or dentists?

Drinking impairs your reaction times and your ability to control a vehicle. Anyone who refuses to accept that is an idiot....or drunk.

Anyone who drinks any alcohol before driving is taking an additional risk that could lead to theirs or someone elses death.

What a load of hyperbole.

If you are so impaired after a pint and a half over a few hours then fecks sake I really do worry about you.

Were there thousands killed when the drink drive limit was 2 pints ?

In lots of countries people actually have a drink at lunch time and you know what they don't kill each other in the afternoon nor make disasterous decisions because they are so impaired.

No one has said, including Healy Rae, someone should be driving when they have had a few pints, but yet people hop on this. (not directed at you Grayson but others)
I often wonder if some people can read or if they just hop on headlines and mangle them to suit their agenda or beliefs.

And Healy Rae is right also when he has said that drink is often used as an excuse for poor road conditions and other factors.

It is like every other shytology in this country where someone finds an easy so called solution rather than really facing the causes and the problems for people dying.

It is easy to bring in a new law that says a zero limit, but what about actual enforcement of even existing laws.
It is already come out that a huge chunk of the Garda tests were bogus.

There is a problem with young (and sometimes middle aged) people driving drunk as skunks and often on drugs, but this is usually late at night or early morning when there are shag all Gardaí around to monitor those situations.
A bit like the Air corps and availability of aircraft, the AGS really provide a daylight service, well apart from a few select locations where they can hide out shooting fish in a barrel.

No amount of new strict laws will save people if the usual enforcement is continued.

PS I was on a bus many years ago where the driver stopped in a town and went in and had a pint.
I know it is not something that should be allowed but you know what we didn't crash, we didn't cause carnage on the roads and we all eventually reached our destination.

jmayo · 05-04-2017 02:34PM

Jack the Stripper wrote: »

Maybe it's you that needs to read, yes he said glasses but a pint glass is also a glass. Believe that.
Where did he say they were half pints?

Jack the Stripper wrote: »

Where did he say a glass was a half pint? Link?

Jack the Stripper wrote: »

I never knew that now.

Well maybe you should acquaint yourself with some facts before accusing other people of being unable to read.

I really find it hard to believe someone in Ireland doesn't know what a glass of beer is.

Elemonator · 05-04-2017 02:37PM

parasite wrote: »

No fan of Healy-Rae, but he was exaggerating for effect, it didn't stop BBC doing a sneering Paddywhackery 'article' though and you duly tugged your forelock

I think we'll be the ones laughing soon enough.

Special Circumstances · 05-04-2017 02:41PM

jmayo wrote: »

Well maybe you should acquaint yourself with some facts before accusing other people of being unable to read.

I really find it hard to believe someone in Ireland doesn't know what a glass of beer is.

I think the only way to sort this is some good solid research - everybody go out to their nearest pub and order a "glass of heineken".

Will we see the majority being served a pint? LOL :pac:

Jack the Stripper · 05-04-2017 02:43PM

jmayo wrote: »

Well maybe you should acquaint yourself with some facts before accusing other people of being unable to read.

I really find it hard to believe someone in Ireland doesn't know what a glass of beer is.

Are you one of those yuppies who drink craft beer?

Noddyholder · 05-04-2017 02:48PM

Jack the Stripper wrote: »

Are you one of those yuppies who drink craft beer?

Ah come on Jack ffs everyone knows that if in a bar you order a glass of beer or stout its a half pint or equivalent in metric .

Grayson · 05-04-2017 02:51PM

jmayo wrote: »

What a load of hyperbole.

If you are so impaired after a pint and a half over a few hours then fecks sake I really do worry about you.

Were there thousands killed when the drink drive limit was 2 pints ?

In lots of countries people actually have a drink at lunch time and you know what they don't kill each other in the afternoon nor make disasterous decisions because they are so impaired.

No one has said, including Healy Rae, someone should be driving when they have had a few pints, but yet people hop on this. (not directed at you Grayson but others)
I often wonder if some people can read or if they just hop on headlines and mangle them to suit their agenda or beliefs.

And Healy Rae is right also when he has said that drink is often used as an excuse for poor road conditions and other factors.

It is like every other shytology in this country where someone finds an easy so called solution rather than really facing the causes and the problems for people dying.

It is easy to bring in a new law that says a zero limit, but what about actual enforcement of even existing laws.
It is already come out that a huge chunk of the Garda tests were bogus.

There is a problem with young (and sometimes middle aged) people driving drunk as skunks and often on drugs, but this is usually late at night or early morning when there are shag all GardaÃ around to monitor those situations.
A bit like the Air corps and availability of aircraft, the AGS really provide a daylight service, well apart from a few select locations where they can hide out shooting fish in a barrel.

No amount of new strict laws will save people if the usual enforcement is continued.

PS I was on a bus many years ago where the driver stopped in a town and went in and had a pint.
I know it is not something that should be allowed but you know what we didn't crash, we didn't cause carnage on the roads and we all eventually reached our destination.

The new laws aren't a zero limit. The way it was it said that over 80mg you got a ban. From 50-80 mg you got points. The new law just says there's no points given, just a ban.

As for a bus driver who drank a pint at a break and everything was ok? Well, I guess we should encourage drivers to because we have an anecdote.

Also, it doesn't mention it in the article but the research does indicate that lowering the limit for banning would actually save lives.

However yourself and healy rae seem to think that your anecdotes and hunches are more accurate than actual research.

jmayo · 05-04-2017 02:53PM

Jack the Stripper wrote: »

Are you one of those yuppies who drink craft beer?

Jaysus lad I don't think anyone would called me a yuppie.

And I do find some craft beers can be quiet nice.
Better than the mass produced hogwash.
Normally though I would drink a short or a cider.

Oh and just to state for some people I don't ever drink and drive.
Once in my nearly 30 years of driving have I had a glass of cider and drove afterwards.
There was a lady involved and I left half the pint behind me.

Now saying that I don't have a problem with someone having a pint or glass of wine and driving.
I do however have a major problem with someone scuttered driving or indeed as a bloody passenger.
One of worst things of life in rural Mayo was being the designated driver trying to get drunken eejits home.

EDIT:
just to make this understood by some of our readers.
It was a pint of cider (Bulmers I believe), but I only drank half of it.
And as we have already deduced a half a pint is the amount in a "glass".

Special Circumstances · 05-04-2017 02:59PM

I think there are two boards.ie

Somewhere in a parallel universe the pre "great hack" boards is still ambling along, banter, craic etc.
Up until a few pages back this thread was a throwback to this.

In this dimension we have Boards 2.0... where only pyschopathic murderous hipsters think a glass is anything other than a pint and every thread ends with the thread being locked or ... ahem "revised"

jmayo · 05-04-2017 03:00PM

Grayson wrote: »

The new laws aren't a zero limit. The way it was it said that over 80mg you got a ban. From 50-80 mg you got points. The new law just says there's no points given, just a ban.

As for a bus driver who drank a pint at a break and everything was ok? Well, I guess we should encourage drivers to because we have an anecdote.

Also, it doesn't mention it in the article but the research does indicate that lowering the limit for banning would actually save lives.

However yourself and healy rae seem to think that your anecdotes and hunches are more accurate than actual research.

I have always wanted to ask this around here

, but can you show us the research to back up your assertions ?
Also do the Gardaí actual differentiate between accidents actually caused by alcohol or ones where it was just found that someone had alcohol in their system.
Also do they differentiate between accidents where various levels of alcohol were found.

I know that when Healy Rae asked the minister of this he was initially greeted with silence because they didn't have those facts.

BTW don't always be so reliant on stats because as George Canning once lamented "I can prove anything by statistics except the truth."

Shure according to the stats produced some time back the Gardaí were stopping nearly everyone for drink drive tests. :rolleyes:

IrishZeus · 05-04-2017 03:03PM

jmayo wrote: »

Once in my nearly 30 years of driving have I had a glass of cider and drove afterwards.
There was a lady involved and I left half the pint behind me..

Does not compute!

jmayo · 05-04-2017 03:04PM

IrishZeus wrote: »

Does not compute!

When is a glass not a glass :pac:

The J Stands for Jay · 05-04-2017 03:10PM

Jack the Stripper wrote: »

Where did he say a glass was a half pint? Link?

That's what "glass" or "ghlassh" means in Cork/Kerry.

ohnonotgmail · 05-04-2017 03:19PM

Jack the Stripper wrote: »

Are you one of those yuppies who drink craft beer?

yuppies?? have i been transported back to the 1980s??

SeanW · 05-04-2017 07:48PM

Don't Chute! wrote: »

I've never been able to understand the Irish obsession with drinking just enough to be under the limit for driving. Why can't they just not drink at all?

A better question - is there a benefit to lowering limits? A free society should always ask "Is there a need for this restriction?" before asking "Why does someone need to do X?"

No exceptions. If there's a overwhelmingly good reason for a restriction, then make it. If not, don't. Full stop.

Grayson wrote: »

I never said that you said scuttered. You think it's ok to drink three glasses then you'd be ok with bus drivers or commercial pilots or ambulance drivers drinking and driving? That's my point. They might not be scuttered but they'd be in no condition to take responsibility for the lives of others.

Whenever an alcohol related fatal accident makes the news, it is usually caused by a driver who was way over the limit (e.g. a bottle of vodka, 10 pints of cider etc) and/or doing other dangerous things like driving without insurance, dangerous car etc.

Grayson wrote: »

As for a bus driver who drank a pint at a break and everything was ok? Well, I guess we should encourage drivers to because we have an anecdote.

No one has suggested "encouraging" drivers to drink before driving, even in small amounts. Unless someone did this in a post I missed, that is a lie.

However yourself and healy rae seem to think that your anecdotes and hunches are more accurate than actual research.

Research demonstrating in Ireland clear cause and effect of drivers between .50 and .80 causing fatal accidents? Please share.

Grayson wrote: »

Drinking impairs your reaction times and your ability to control a vehicle. Anyone who refuses to accept that is an idiot....or drunk.

Anyone who drinks any alcohol before driving is taking an additional risk that could lead to theirs or someone elses death.

Then you will have no problem showing us cases where drivers who were between .50 and .80 limits caused fatal accidents? How many fatalities were caused by driver error by a driver that was between those BAC rates? What are the statistics demonstrating clearly that the old/existing limits were leading to death on the road?

I suspect that these changes are similar to the changes to drug driving laws that set a zero limit for THC so that if someone ... partook ... of a certain herb, they would have to wait up to one month before driving again to be legal - again, where is the evidence that someone who takes a hit of weed is a danger to all and sundry on the road for 3+ weeks after indulging?

josip · 05-04-2017 08:46PM

BattleCorp wrote: »

Accurate statistics - no.

I've been knocked off my bike due to briars growing out. I wasn't really injured but if a car was coming along behind me I would have been 'brown bread'.

Plenty of other crashes caused in rural areas due to ditches being overgrown and visibility reduced.

The county councils should spend more money getting the roads in proper order.
Does anyone know the name of a good Plant Hire company?
Are these guys any good?

The Healy-Raes embarrassing the country yet again

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