The Healy-Raes embarrassing the country yet again

Annasopra

Jack the Stripper wrote: »

Let's all drink three pints ffs leave it out.

Eh. 3 glasses isnt 3 pints!!!!

Annasopra

Don't Chute! wrote: »

How do you make that out?

Are you seriously saying most drink driving accidents are mainly caused by people drinking 1 pint?

ohnonotgmail

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Are you seriously saying most drink driving accidents are mainly caused by people drinking 1 pint?

Nobody has said that most drink driving accidents are mainly caused by people drinking 1 pint.

seamus

Ah yes, Danny Healy-Rae. Please give more money to my cousin's construction company to fix the Kerry roads so people can drive to go and have a drink in my brother's pub.

The family are parasites on the communities of Kerry, taking the entire county for chumps.

Special Circumstances

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Nobody has said that most drink driving accidents are mainly caused by people drinking 1 pint.

So... is it the extra glass that does it? Or is it only dangerous if your car is over 15 years old aswell?

Don't Chute!

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Are you seriously saying most drink driving accidents are mainly caused by people drinking 1 pint?

As somebody else here asked, would you get on a plane if you knew the pilot had just had a drink? If the answer to that is no then why should someone be allowed to drink one drink and drive a car? This whole argument can be boiled down to basically: "I want to drink and drive, WHY WON'T YOU LET ME"?

These Healy Rae gob****es have a vested interest in people drinking and driving and they should be called out on it.

ohnonotgmail

Special Circumstances wrote: »

So... is it the extra glass that does it? Or is it only dangerous if your car is over 15 years old aswell?

what in gods name are you talking about?

Special Circumstances

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

what in gods name are you talking about?

Lost again?

A good chunk of the thread is about rhododendrons so you can skip that to get yourself re-calibrated as to where you are posting. Skip to the bit about drink driving. It starts just a little bit before your posts... about drink driving.

This is basic stuff

ohnonotgmail

Special Circumstances wrote: »

Lost again?

A good chunk of the thread is about rhododendrons so you can skip that to get yourself re-calibrated as to where you are posting. Skip to the bit about drink driving. It starts just a little bit before your posts... about drink driving.

This is basic stuff

perhaps you should have a look at the post i replied to. I have made no comment at all on the new limits. And none of the above explains the bit about 15 year old cars.

this is basic stuff

Special Circumstances

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

perhaps you should have a look at the post i replied to. I have made no comment at all on the new limits. And none of the above explains the bit about 15 year old cars.

this is basic stuff

That's the joke.
You'll get there. Maybe. It's a bit of logical/mathsy joke but when you realise the unbiased statistics to support the car insurance things are filed in the same magical filing cabinet as the "3 glasses of guinness are wiping people out throughout the country" statistics... you'll wet yourself, it's a slow burner of a joke I'll admit.

ohnonotgmail

Special Circumstances wrote: »

That's the joke.
You'll get there. Maybe. It's a bit of logical/mathsy joke but when you realise the unbiased statistics to support the car insurance things are filed in the same magical filing cabinet as the "3 glasses of guinness are wiping people out throughout the country" statistics... you'll wet yourself, it's a slow burner of a joke I'll admit.

and absolutely nothing nothing to do with the post you originally replied to. You do know what the quote button is for, right?

Special Circumstances

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

and absolutely nothing nothing to do with the post you originally replied to. You do know what the quote button is for, right?

You're saying you weren't talking about drink driving? This is getting really weird. Are there two people posting from your account or what?

Snickers Man

Grayson wrote: »

If you think 2-3 glasses of guinness wouldn't impair peoples ability then I'm assuming you'd be ok with say commercial pilots or bus drivers drinking whilst on the job. Why not doctors or dentists?

Drinking impairs your reaction times and your ability to control a vehicle. Anyone who refuses to accept that is an idiot....or drunk.

Anyone who drinks any alcohol before driving is taking an additional risk that could lead to theirs or someone elses death.

You could say the same about driving in the dark or in the wet. It increases the risk of an accident if you're not careful. Let's ban driving during winter, shall we?


It's all about striking a balance. In my view, we shouldn't have lowered the limits from 80 to 50mg. We SHOULD have enforced the existing laws better and with the new powers of random breath testing which the gardai now have. But with public sector cutbacks that wasn't/isn't a goer.

Boom_Bap

Special Circumstances & ohnonotgmail - Give it a rest please

Snickers Man

Jack the Stripper wrote: »

Where did he say a glass was a half pint? Link?

Have you never been in an Irish pub? Or ordered a drink there? A glass of beer is readily understood in the local vernacular throughout the country to mean a half pint.

Is there anybody, apart from the clearly ignorant, who will dispute this statement of fact?

Special Circumstances

Boom_Bap wrote: »

Special Circumstances & ohnonotgmail - Give it a rest please

If we drop any further back and forth between us can we continue to post here? The likes of snickers man's post above and a few other posters are very sensible logical posts and deserve some support against the "high horse" brigade.

Boom_Bap

Special Circumstances wrote: »

If we drop any further back and forth between us can we continue to post here? The likes of snickers man's post above and a few other posters are very sensible logical posts and deserve some support against the "high horse" brigade.

Of course you can continue to post here, just no bickering with each other please, it's not pleasant reading for the rest of us.

flexcon

What I would love to know is,

Statistically speaking, what accidents are caused by people who are under 80mg. And what are caused over 80mg.

Saying drink driving kills without any other numbers behind it, is like that Oxford university back last year claiming that on average, one pint in the system improved the results on the driving test. They did come out and say that it depends on each person, but overall - the participants performed better with one pint.
Ill try and get that research online and edit this post, but it just kinda raises a point that take the amount of accidents of people who have had less than 80mg in the system vs say - dangerous roads.

For the record, I am against drink driving, but someone put off the road for 3 months for literally being 1mg over 50mg is kinda insane.

Snickers Man

Don't Chute! wrote: »

Why does he want people to drink and drive AT ALL? The stupidity of these people and their supporters is astonishing.

Don't Chute! wrote:

I've never been able to understand the Irish obsession with drinking just enough to be under the limit for driving. Why can't they just not drink at all?

Because we enjoy a drink! What's so hard to understand about that?

And what's so wrong with it?

I have no sympathy for people who want to get tanked out of their head and drive home. If caught, they should be put off the road. But you are making a moral equivalance between drinking "two or three glasses" of beer and drinking a gallon. It's NOT the same thing.

I think prigs like you should be forced to consider the damage done by your zealous lack of tolerance for moderate drinking down through the ages and throughout the world.

• Prohibition in America was a disaster.
• Extreme laws against drinking in Scandinavia do nothing to stem the local fondness for getting plastered; they just move it to offshore booze cruises and to holiday resorts on the Mediterranean.
• Our own censorious legislation against ANY form of moderate drinking only has the effect, in my view, of encouraging destructive drinking. Which, logically, is counter productive.

If you drive home from work and you want to pop into the nearby pub with your colleagues for a swift social pint (or two) before you leave then what the hell is wrong with that? That is moderate, responsible, non-destructive drinking.

Force people to be allowed to enter a pub only if they have made arrangements not to drive at all and you turn the practice of going to the pub into an expedition. One that has to be planned in advance rather than decided on spontaneously.

The natural conclusion is that if you've made the effort you might as well stay all night and get plastered. That's destructive, as opposed to the sane adult practice of keeping to within a safe limit before going home after a hard day's work.

And it's NOT your call to make.

As a Dublin 4 sophisticate who normally thinks that the Healy-Rae's are a pathetic caricature of all things Irish and a general disgrace to our gene pool I feel I must give credit where it is due and say that they are RIGHT on this point.

Death to the prigs!!!

Graces7

Small question which often occurs when I see these threads.

IF alcohol is so safe and ineffective on you why drink? If you drink for the effect? This automatically affects all you do else why do it?

Noddyholder

Graces7 wrote: »

Small question which often occurs when I see these threads.

IF alcohol is so safe and ineffective on you why drink? If you drink for the effect? This automatically affects all you do else why do it?

Alcohol is safe & ineffective to you if you space it out or have it with a meal,

Alcohol can be enjoyed without having to get out of your head on it,

Now admittedly for a lot of folks in Ireland that above is not on & alcohol is used to be abused.

Special Circumstances

Graces7 wrote: »

Small question which often occurs when I see these threads.
IF alcohol is so safe and ineffective on you why drink? If you drink for the effect? This automatically affects all you do else why do it?

And this is where we are headed people....

IF caffeine is so safe and ineffective on you why drink? If you drink for the effect? This automatically affects all you do else why do it?

Eventually all consumption of sustenance not approved/contracted/supplied by the state will be outlawed.

Personal preference. Outlawed.
Personal taste. Outlawed.
You don't feel like your full 100ml per kg sustenance allowance today? Tough, no individuality, choice, or deviation can be allowed.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

Graces7 wrote: »

Small question which often occurs when I see these threads.

IF alcohol is so safe and ineffective on you why drink? If you drink for the effect? This automatically affects all you do else why do it?

Personally, it's for the taste. A gin, brandy, or stout tastes nice. Like everything else, it's safe if used properly. Pain medication can have side affects and impair judgement. Indeed old age can seriously impair judgement but we elder folk are allowed drive.

All things have some affect. With alcohol it's a matter of sticking to safe levels or not participating in any activity if those affects are detrimental.

tayto lover

We need to learn how to drink in this country.
Sometimes you'd think it was a race or that there was a lack of it the way people drink.
You should be able to enjoy a conversation and sip your drink and still have a great time. Some of the best nights i've had in a pub consisted of only having 2 or 3 pints.

Graces7

Special Circumstances wrote: »

And this is where we are headed people....

IF caffeine is so safe and ineffective on you why drink? If you drink for the effect? This automatically affects all you do else why do it?

Eventually all consumption of sustenance not approved/contracted/supplied by the state will be outlawed.

Personal preference. Outlawed.
Personal taste. Outlawed.
You don't feel like your full 100ml per kg sustenance allowance today? Tough, no individuality, choice, or deviation can be allowed.

Oh DEAR! Now we hit the real issue of self. No thought of any possible consequences or effects on others of our chosen actions?

For that is what it comes down to.

Self above all else.

Nothing and no one else matters ?

Lone wolf against the state is all that matters?

Many of us live within limits that will help keep those around us safe and feel no restrictions' it is called CARING, being responsible. Being adult.

If others acted likewise my family would not be in deep mourning just now. Our loved one would still be among us.

OK I made the mistake of coming back to board .... Clearly a great mistake indeed. A very great mistake.

Zubeneschamali

tayto lover wrote: »

We need to learn how to drink in this country.

No, we need to learn to leave the car keys at home.

Don't Chute!

Snickers Man wrote: »

Because we enjoy a drink! What's so hard to understand about that?

And what's so wrong with it?

I have no sympathy for people who want to get tanked out of their head and drive home. If caught, they should be put off the road. But you are making a moral equivalance between drinking "two or three glasses" of beer and drinking a gallon. It's NOT the same thing.

I think prigs like you should be forced to consider the damage done by your zealous lack of tolerance for moderate drinking down through the ages and throughout the world.

• Prohibition in America was a disaster.
• Extreme laws against drinking in Scandinavia do nothing to stem the local fondness for getting plastered; they just move it to offshore booze cruises and to holiday resorts on the Mediterranean.
• Our own censorious legislation against ANY form of moderate drinking only has the effect, in my view, of encouraging destructive drinking. Which, logically, is counter productive.

If you drive home from work and you want to pop into the nearby pub with your colleagues for a swift social pint (or two) before you leave then what the hell is wrong with that? That is moderate, responsible, non-destructive drinking.

Force people to be allowed to enter a pub only if they have made arrangements not to drive at all and you turn the practice of going to the pub into an expedition. One that has to be planned in advance rather than decided on spontaneously.

The natural conclusion is that if you've made the effort you might as well stay all night and get plastered. That's destructive, as opposed to the sane adult practice of keeping to within a safe limit before going home after a hard day's work.

And it's NOT your call to make.

As a Dublin 4 sophisticate who normally thinks that the Healy-Rae's are a pathetic caricature of all things Irish and a general disgrace to our gene pool I feel I must give credit where it is due and say that they are RIGHT on this point.

Death to the prigs!!!

Nowhere did I say I wanted to stop people drinking, only drinking and DRIVING. But then, you already knew that. You just want to feel all oppressed and **** right? Also, could you tell me what these "extreme" drinking laws in Scandinavia are please?

Snickers Man

tayto lover wrote: »

We need to learn how to drink in this country.
Sometimes you'd think it was a race or that there was a lack of it the way people drink.
You should be able to enjoy a conversation and sip your drink and still have a great time. Some of the best nights i've had in a pub consisted of only having 2 or 3 pints.

Nail on the head, tayto lover. And your name does indeed suggest that you are a person of some taste


Destructive drinking is our problem in this country; the notion that you haven't been drinking at all unless your off your face. It's a silly state of affairs. The problem is that many of the "Anti-drink" policies that we pursue merely have the effect of exacerbating some of the worst characteristics of our drinking culture, associating "going for a drink" with going out to get drunk. This is counter productive, bad for our health mental and physical, and encouraging of a juvenile "naughty" attitude to alcohol.

Attempts to ban drink from many social occasions such as sporting events, children's birthday parties and the absolute taboo on driving with ANY alcohol merely associates the adult practice of having a drink or two in a social context with drunkenness and binging.

We need to be a bit cleverer about this. Let's face it, if the Healy-Raes are talking more sense than the rest of us we really are a stupid people!!

Special Circumstances

Graces7 wrote: »

Oh DEAR! Now we hit the real issue of self. No thought of any possible consequences or effects on others of our chosen actions?

For that is what it comes down to.

Self above all else.

Nothing and no one else matters ?

Lone wolf against the state is all that matters?

Many of us live within limits that will help keep those around us safe and feel no restrictions' it is called CARING, being responsible. Being adult.

If others acted likewise my family would not be in deep mourning just now. Our loved one would still be among us.

OK I made the mistake of coming back to board .... Clearly a great mistake indeed. A very great mistake.

Jeez, it's only a cup of coffee like!




Well, maybe a tasty pastry.


Although I hear they could be contributing to the obesity epidemic, heart disease etc - probably should have some method of testing/prohibiting them too. Strain on resources, cost to the taxpayer, lives ruined etc etc.

jmayo

tayto lover wrote: »

We need to learn how to drink in this country.
Sometimes you'd think it was a race or that there was a lack of it the way people drink.
You should be able to enjoy a conversation and sip your drink and still have a great time. Some of the best nights i've had in a pub consisted of only having 2 or 3 pints.

Exactly.

There is an unhealthy relationship with alcohol in this country.
just look what is going to happen next Thursday.
The off licenses are going to be full of people stockpiling enough alcohol to last them a month or two, all because the pubs are shut the next day.
One of two days a year where the pubs are shut and people have to run out to buy booze because it is like prohibition is about to come in.

Technically AFAIK we are effectively classed as a nation of binge drinkers seeing the amount of alcohol consumed and the manner of it's consumption.

But no one is saying people tanked out of their tree should be allowed drive.
Hell no on is saying people with a couple of pints should be driving.

Michael McDowell wanted a cafe culture where peple drink very moderately, but one can not have a cafe culture where someone goes out and sips a couple of beers and then drives home a few hours later with the drink drive legislation.

I and others have asked for the stats to back up where it says how many people with 50mg - 80mg of alcohol have caused accidents.
Where are those stats ?

Can someone confirm that the stats of drink related accidents does not include accidents caused by other factors, but where some alcohol was found in the drivers system ?

As I said earlier this whole thing is just a knee jerk reaction where the government and others reckon they need to be seen acting tough.

It reminds me of the legislation brought in to curtail legally held firearms as a response to the increase in violent gun crime by criminals.
DOH were they seriously trying to say all the criminals were using legally registered handguns. :rolleyes: