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    #62
    riffmongous
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    Depp wrote: »
    true but you need to remember this is russia we're talking about, theyre a law onto their own really. they're not going to pussy-foot around the issue incase they offend someone like we see here

    They are a law onto their own alright, that's the problem.

    Rip to the victims


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    #63
    Fred Swanson
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    #64
    Silane
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    But even still.. with other attacks in other nations, they weren't so quick to release information on the suspects. It just seems ... odd.

    They weren't as quick to release the information because they were more worried about political correctness than public safety. Especially in the Berlin attack where a politician delayed the release of photo's of the attacker to prevent negative sentiment against muslims.
    The Russians aren't so worried about hurting people's feelings, they're more interested in hurting the attackers.


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    #65
    riffmongous
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,671 Mod ✭✭✭✭riffmongous


    Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »
    What's the FSB?

    Successor to the KGB, in simple terms


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    #66
    Gatling
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    It seems really quick to release a photo of the suspect ...

    And they wonder where the claims of a false flag are coming from currently doing the rounds across the internet
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    #67
    judeboy101
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    Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »
    What's the FSB?

    Nice try, comrade putin


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    #68
    Falthyron
    Registered Users Posts: 2,835 ✭✭✭Falthyron


    Shrapnel would be a new approach for an ISIS-led attack. This is more in line with the two Boston bombers a few years ago. I reckon this will be linked to separatist movements, perhaps those in Chechnya. Then again, Putin may spin this to suit his next foreign policy objective, the real perpetrators may not be identified.


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    #69
    Fiery mutant
    Registered Users Posts: 1,553 ✭✭✭Fiery mutant


    So several eye witnesses saw him drop a briefcase and board another train. Presumably these eyewitnesses were close to him to have seen it. They were close enough to witness, and yet survived?

    Or did they quickly move away when they saw him drop and run? Did they warn others of his actions? Or just go and save themselves, leaving the poor unsuspecting to perish.

    Very fishy.

    We should defend our way of life to an extent that any attempt on it is crushed, so that any adversary will never make such an attempt in the future.



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    #70
    The Specialist
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    Fiery mutant wrote: »
    So several eye witnesses saw him drop a briefcase and board another train. Presumably these eyewitnesses were close to him to have seen it. They were close enough to witness, and yet survived?

    Or did they quickly move away when they saw him drop and run? Did they warn others of his actions? Or just go and save themselves, leaving the poor unsuspecting to perish.

    Very fishy.

    If you were a witness to something like this, would you appreciate someone on the internet spooling a conspiracy theory out of why you didn't die? Take off the tinfoil hat man, aint the time for that nonsense.


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    #71
    Here we go
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    Falthyron wrote: »
    Shrapnel would be a new approach for an ISIS-led attack. This is more in line with the two Boston bombers a few years ago. I reckon this will be linked to separatist movements, perhaps those in Chechnya. Then again, Putin may spin this to suit his next foreign policy objective, the real perpetrators may not be identified.
    Where the Boston bombers not linked to Isis ? As for picture release new Scotland Yard made an official request for media and papers not to release pictures of Westminster attacker and other countries have done similar I do belive this is more for operational reasons so they have more time to find accomplices then to protect the image of muslims and happens if the attacker is white balck Asian and with cctv and knowing the area they needed to look the amount of resources any government would put into finding out what happened it's fully credible they found there suspect why was it released may be political


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    #72
    Richard Hillman
    Registered Users Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    Why are people surprised at how quick the pic was released?

    Access CCTV, locate carriage, look for Jihadist, find Jihadist, take screen print, send to security services, upload on website. If it happened on the London Underground they would be been just as quick to locate the culprit but wouldn't have released a picture.

    The Germans had the photo of the Berlin Truck attacker straight off after finding his ID in the Carriage but didn't release it.

    It's just a different way of doing things. The Russians are less bothered about misidentity.


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    #73
    Gatling
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    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    Why are people surprised at how quick the pic was released?

    Access CCTV, locate carriage, look for Jihadist, find Jihadist,

    It's just a different way of doing things. The Russians are less bothered about misidentity.

    Have to know your​ looking for a suspect before the Jihadi first is identified ,
    Seem to remember after the Egyptian plane crash they had images of young girl one of the victims doing the rounds before anyone​ had actually been identified
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    #74
    Fiery mutant
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    The Specialist wrote: »
    If you were a witness to something like this, would you appreciate someone on the internet spooling a conspiracy theory out of why you didn't die? Take off the tinfoil hat man, aint the time for that nonsense.

    Lol. When's the last time you saw someone get off one train and then straight onto another just like that. Any train station I've Ever been to requires you to change platforms and walk distances before you can change trains, this isn't the movies. And yet multiple people saw this and suspected nothing.

    And why would you get on a train system that's going to be immediately shut down and with multiple cctv systems to track you and security to apprehend you?

    Would you not immediately leave the area and escape by the fastest route possible?

    We should defend our way of life to an extent that any attempt on it is crushed, so that any adversary will never make such an attempt in the future.



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    #75
    Here we go
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    Gatling wrote: »
    Have to know your​ looking for a suspect before the Jihadi first is identified ,
    Seem to remember after the Egyptian plane crash they had images of young girl one of the victims doing the rounds before anyone​ had actually been identified
    .

    Not sure what happened but it wouldn't be hard to identify where explosion orientated say a duffle bag then rewind to you see said bag placed and identify bomber retrace there movements by cctv till you get the best possible picture I'm sure there's hundreds of people looking over the cctv


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    #76
    Jurgen Klopp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,807 ✭✭✭Jurgen Klopp


    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    Why are people surprised at how quick the pic was released?

    Access CCTV, locate carriage, look for Jihadist, find Jihadist, take screen print, send to security services, upload on website. If it happened on the London Underground they would be been just as quick to locate the culprit but wouldn't have released a picture.

    The Germans had the photo of the Berlin Truck attacker straight off after finding his ID in the Carriage but didn't release it.

    It's just a different way of doing things. The Russians are less bothered about misidentity.


    Because their so used to the clowns like the Germans who spend a couple of hours furiously checking any background info on a suspect in order to say he only did it due to mental health issues or something stupid like he suffered from racist abuse and it has nothing at all, whatsoever to do with Islam and we are all fine in our beautiful multicultural society and a few more million third worlders won't do no harm at all

    The Russians don't buy into that ****


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    #77
    Widdershins
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    Fiery mutant wrote: »
    Lol. When's the last time you saw someone get off one train and then straight onto another just like that. Any train station I've Ever been to requires you to change platforms and walk distances before you can change trains, this isn't the movies. And yet multiple people saw this and suspected nothing.

    And why would you get on a train system that's going to be immediately shut down and with multiple cctv systems to track you and security to apprehend you?

    Would you not immediately leave the area and escape by the fastest route possible?

    Limerick Colbert station, more or less.


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    #78
    Billy86
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    Fiery mutant wrote: »
    Lol. When's the last time you saw someone get off one train and then straight onto another just like that. Any train station I've Ever been to requires you to change platforms and walk distances before you can change trains, this isn't the movies. And yet multiple people saw this and suspected nothing.

    And why would you get on a train system that's going to be immediately shut down and with multiple cctv systems to track you and security to apprehend you?

    Would you not immediately leave the area and escape by the fastest route possible?
    It depends - the TTC subway in Toronto for example usually has a 10m platform typically with one train going north or east, and the other side going south or west. If I remember correctly the subway in New York is similar. In London though, there's usually a small tunnel/walkway where you couldn't see someone get off one train and on another typically. This is of course for most stops/stops I've been through on them - can't speak for all stops.

    What I find odd (on top of how quickly they were able to identify a suspect) is that as you mentioned, when the explosion happened surely all of the trains anywhere remotely close would be brought to a complete standstill. It would make far more sense to get off the train and head for the exit ASAP.

    Feel awful for the victims though, and their families too. More tragic bullsh** violence, whether it was that guy or someone else.


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    #79
    The Specialist
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    Widdershins wrote: »
    Limerick Colbert station, more or less.

    Exactly what i was about to post, 7 or 8 steps and you've switched trains. Doesn't suit the conspiracy though..


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    #80
    Billy86
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    Here we go wrote: »
    Not sure what happened but it wouldn't be hard to identify where explosion orientated say a duffle bag then rewind to you see said bag placed and identify bomber retrace there movements by cctv till you get the best possible picture I'm sure there's hundreds of people looking over the cctv

    Depends on if the Moscow subway has cameras on the train to be honest, otherwise they need to pick out where the explosion happened, who was in that section (in itself borderline impossible if it was one of those more modern types where the whole subway train is essentially one big long hall like the LUAS), and exactly what stop everyone on that section got on at, and so on... that kind of work can take a long, long time of trawling through CCTV for every individual stop the train had taken to that point, trying to get a clear shot of every single person that got on with a bag and every single person that came out with theirs (barring the suspect).

    If they do have CCTV on the actual trains and were able to recover it after the explosion though, that makes a lot more sense.


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    #81
    Fiery mutant
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    2 million people use that system every day through nearly 60 stations,they find the one person who allegedly planted a suitcase, within a few hours.

    We should defend our way of life to an extent that any attempt on it is crushed, so that any adversary will never make such an attempt in the future.



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    #82
    Depp
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    Billy86 wrote: »
    Depends on if the Moscow subway has cameras on the train to be honest, otherwise they need to pick out where the explosion happened, who was in that section (in itself borderline impossible if it was one of those more modern types where the whole subway train is essentially one big long hall like the LUAS), and exactly what stop everyone on that section got on at, and so on... that kind of work can take a long, long time of trawling through CCTV for every individual stop the train had taken to that point, trying to get a clear shot of every single person that got on with a bag and every single person that came out with theirs (barring the suspect).

    If they do have CCTV on the actual trains and were able to recover it after the explosion though, that makes a lot more sense.

    also they have witness descriptions that would narrow it down hugely too


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    #83
    The Specialist
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    Fiery mutant wrote: »
    2 million people use that system every day through nearly 60 stations,they find the one person who allegedly planted a suitcase, within a few hours.

    It's not that hard to believe - spot guy carrying baggage on to train,spot same guy not carrying any baggage off train followed by an explosion. As for a few hours, do you think identifying a ****ing terror attack suspect is something you leave till just before home time?


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    #84
    Depp
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    The Specialist wrote: »
    It's not that hard to believe - spot guy carrying baggage on to train,spot same guy not carrying any baggage off train followed by an explosion. As for a few hours, do you think identifying a ****ing terror attack suspect is something you leave till just before home time?

    not to mention you've a general description of the person you're looking for


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    #85
    Billy86
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    Depp wrote: »
    also they have witness descriptions that would narrow it down hugely too

    Good point, and re the claim about getting off one train and onto another in a few footsteps and in sight of everyone - and you can definitely see someone get off one train and onto another in 10 or so footsteps from where the accident happened (5 seconds into this video - nothing too gruesome, but you can make out the bodies that have been removed from the train just a a warning)
    http://edition.cnn.com/2017/04/03/europe/st-petersburg-russia-explosion/index.html


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    #86
    Fiery mutant
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    It could have been planted at any time of the day. At any station. Could have been planted yesterday or the day before. Could have been a worker cleaning or bringing supplies. Could have been the fu5kin driver going for a **** and had it in his lunchbox.

    If you wanted to blow up a building at 3pm, would you wait until 10 minutes before to drop the device.

    We should defend our way of life to an extent that any attempt on it is crushed, so that any adversary will never make such an attempt in the future.



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    #87
    Billy86
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    Fiery mutant wrote: »
    It could have been planted at any time of the day. At any station. Could have been planted yesterday or the day before. Could have been a worker cleaning or bringing supplies. Could have been the fu5kin driver going for a **** and had it in his lunchbox.

    If you wanted to blow up a building at 3pm, would you wait until 10 minutes before to drop the device.
    It came from inside the train, they would check/clean them daily. Could have theoretically been there for hours, but not from any earlier (and I doubt whoever it was would want to leave more than maybe 10-15 minutes getaway time, tops, to set it off in case it got spotted).

    http://www.channelnewsasia.com/image/3648546/1491223487000/large16x9/768/432/russia-blast.jpg


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    #88
    Depp
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    Fiery mutant wrote: »
    If you wanted to blow up a building at 3pm, would you wait until 10 minutes before to drop the device.

    yeah probably, it lowers the chance of it being spotted and dealt with massively


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    #89
    dublinman1990
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    Regardless of my own thoughts on Russia's politics; these explosions on the metro system today were disgraceful.

    It is a terrible tragedy with a loss of life that will hit the victims families in a very big way.

    I hope those that are found responsible for these explosions are named and shamed in a big way through the public domain.


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    #90
    The Specialist
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    dublinman1990 wrote: »
    Regardless of my own thoughts on Russia's politics; these explosions on the metro system today were disgraceful.

    It is a terrible tragedy with a loss of life that will hit the victims families in a very big way.

    I hope those that are found responsible for these explosions are named and shamed in a big way through the public domain.

    Named and shamed? Heads on spikes more appropriate


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    #91
    Gatling
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    dublinman1990 wrote: »
    I hope those that are found responsible for these explosions are named and shamed in a big way through the public domain.

    That's exactly what they want ,

    That's why you do the opposite
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