RIP Martin McGuinness

FrancieBrady · 24-03-2017 12:21PM

lawred2 wrote: »

If not already done - can you post that at RTE on Twitter?

Don't do twitter, sadly. I agree that it should be posted as widely as possible. But even if it was there is a cohort who don't want to know anyway.

Stars and Stripes · 24-03-2017 05:01PM

Interesting, his very first mention in a paper back to the very start of the troubles when he was only 19. Like the vast majority of the thousands of others, only for the gross injustices, repression and thuggery of the orange state he probably would never have got into trouble with the law (well so called ' law ').

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Snickers Man · 24-03-2017 05:33PM

lawred2 wrote: »

Wee girl?

Hard to tell whether your use of such reductive terminology was intentional..

Ulster Scots don't you know. (De ye nae ken?)

OK Maybe I'm the only one to spot the pictorial reference to the scene in Schindler's List where the only splash of colour in a dour monochrome scene is a young female child (that's wee girl in Derry vernacular) in a red coat. Maybe the photograppher, or whoever edited that pic wasn't making a subtle reference to that cinematic scene but I doubt it somehow.

And if your SJW sensibilities are outraged by referring to Ms O'Neill in the same tone then I'm more than happy to substitute the term "light weight" in her case.

Alf Stewart. · 24-03-2017 05:34PM

seachto7 wrote: »

Oh here we go into a spiral of whataboutery. Their deaths were no more called for than those in Enniskillen or the Bogside or Warrington or the Famine for that matter.

Did you just make a joke about the SAS members being killed inal action, and then complain about "whataboutery"'when you were called out on it

Alf Stewart. · 24-03-2017 05:36PM

LordSutch wrote: »

"They came to us"?

Well, Ireland didn't invade Britain.

lawred2 · 24-03-2017 05:38PM

Alf Stewart. wrote: »

Did you just make a joke about the SAS members being killed inal action, and then complain about "whataboutery"'when you were called out on it

while also using whataboutery

Mr.Micro · 24-03-2017 05:39PM

Alf Stewart. wrote: »

Well, Ireland didn't invade Britain.

Thousands and thousands of Irish went to Britain in the past looking for a better life, that this country failed to give them. That was an socio/economic invasion.

lawred2 · 24-03-2017 05:40PM

Snickers Man wrote: »

Ulster Scots don't you know. (De ye nae ken?)

OK Maybe I'm the only one to spot the pictorial reference to the scene in Schindler's List where the only splash of colour in a dour monochrome scene is a young female child (that's wee girl in Derry vernacular) in a red coat. Maybe the photograppher, or whoever edited that pic wasn't making a subtle reference to that cinematic scene but I doubt it somehow.

And if your SJW sensibilities are outraged by referring to Ms O'Neill in the same tone then I'm more than happy to substitute the term "light weight" in her case.

had to google SJW

annnnnd swing and a miss

Jayop · 24-03-2017 05:41PM

Mr.Micro wrote: »

Thousands and thousands of Irish went to Britain in the past looking for a better life, that this country failed to give them. That was an socio/economic invasion.

And a lot of the reasons that they had to leave this country were caused by he legacy of British involvement in Ireland. Refugees, not invaders.

FrancieBrady · 24-03-2017 05:41PM

Snickers Man wrote: »

Ulster Scots don't you know. (De ye nae ken?)

OK Maybe I'm the only one to spot the pictorial reference to the scene in Schindler's List where the only splash of colour in a dour monochrome scene is a young female child (that's wee girl in Derry vernacular) in a red coat. Maybe the photograppher, or whoever edited that pic wasn't making a subtle reference to that cinematic scene but I doubt it somehow.

And if your SJW sensibilities are outraged by referring to Ms O'Neill in the same tone then I'm more than happy to substitute the term "light weight" in her case.

There are 4 'splashes' of colour and the technique of isolating colours in a pic is quite common now without referencing the film specifically.

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Alf Stewart. · 24-03-2017 05:46PM

lawred2 wrote: »

while also using whataboutery

That was my point

Mr.Micro · 24-03-2017 05:47PM

Jayop wrote: »

And a lot of the reasons that they had to leave this country were caused by he legacy of British involvement in Ireland. Refugees, not invaders.

No. It was state incompetence and the church that has caused much misery for Irish people. The incompetence continues as we speak. Health service, An Garda, Bus Eireann, job creation for young people. We still cannot get it together.

Alf Stewart. · 24-03-2017 05:48PM

Mr.Micro wrote: »

Thousands and thousands of Irish went to Britain in the past looking for a better life, that this country failed to give them. That was an socio/economic invasion.

I heard a few left during the famine too.

Mr.Micro · 24-03-2017 05:51PM

Alf Stewart. wrote: »

I heard a few left during the famine too.

What's the excuse in modern times? Since we have been a free state, we bungle everything still. Who should we blame. Good thing we are in the Euro, as we surely would be sunk.

steddyeddy · 24-03-2017 05:57PM

Mr.Micro wrote: »

What's the excuse in modern times? Since we have been a free state, we bungle everything still. Who should we blame. Good thing we are in the Euro, as we surely would be sunk.

We can easily analyse what Ireland would look like under British rule because a part of Ireland is under British rule. The answer is that the economy of the North is a basket case, held aloft by massive government subsidies. I think we can do better than that thanks.

Alf Stewart. · 24-03-2017 05:59PM

Mr.Micro wrote: »

What's the excuse in modern times? Since we have been a free state, we bungle everything still. Who should we blame. Good thing we are in the Euro, as we surely would be sunk.

Moving goalposts are we?

We can blame Britain for bringing a war to McGuinness, which was the original post that let's here.

Mr.Micro · 24-03-2017 06:01PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

We can easily analyse what Ireland would look like under British rule because a part of Ireland is under British rule. The answer is that the economy of the North is a basket case, held aloft by massive government subsidies. I think we can do better than that thanks.

The economy in NI is, as you say held together by subsidies. So is not a typical economy that can be compared to our economy or the British economy.

24-03-2017 06:03PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

We can easily analyse what Ireland would look like under British rule because a part of Ireland is under British rule. The answer is that the economy of the North is a basket case, held aloft by massive government subsidies. I think we can do better than that thanks.

The NI economy was also influenced by the various terrorist groups operating there. So hardly an indicator of how the British might of handled our economy.

Mr.Micro · 24-03-2017 06:06PM

Alf Stewart. wrote: »

Moving goalposts are we?

We can blame Britain for bringing a war to McGuinness, which was the original post that let's here.

Disagree. Any of us could go down the path of criminality or terrorism like McGuinness did. What stops us, the law or respect for others, even though we may disagree with them? McGuinness chose his path.

Jayop · 24-03-2017 06:12PM

Mr.Micro wrote: »

Disagree. Any of us could go down the path of criminality or terrorism like McGuinness did. What stops us, the law or respect for others, even though we may disagree with them? McGuinness chose his path.

Must be nice in that ivory tower.

jh79 wrote: »

The NI economy was also influenced by the various terrorist groups operating there. So hardly an indicator of how the British might of handled our economy.

Aye, the Welsh and Scottish economies are doing so well under British rule without the troubles. Even Northern England is just flying at the moment. Real economic juggernauts.

Junkyard Tom · 24-03-2017 06:12PM

jh79 wrote: »

The NI economy was also influenced by the various terrorist groups operating there. So hardly an indicator of how the British might of handled our economy.

Even if we pretend that there was never any conflict or Irish nationalism and the British had ran the economy consider modern Scotland. Now Scotland is of strategic importance to Britain, has quite a lot of good jobs from the oil and gas industry in the North Sea, it has shipbuilding for the British Navy, it has submarine bases and nuclear power stations.

Do you think Ireland would have fared better than Scotland? Not a hope. We'd be a much poorer version of it with agriculture as our principle resource while Britain would drain our universities of any talent.

Jayop · 24-03-2017 06:13PM

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

Even if we pretend that there was never any conflict or Irish nationalism and the British had ran the economy consider modern Scotland. Now Scotland is of strategic importance to Britain, has quite a lot of good jobs from the oil and gas industry in the North Sea, it has shipbuilding for the British Navy, it has submarine bases and nuclear power stations.

Do you think Ireland would have fared better than Scotland? Not a hope. We'd be a much poorer version of it with agriculture as our principle resource while Britain would drain our universities of any talent.

Look at Wales outside of Cardiff. That's exactly how all of Ireland would look under British rule.

Junkyard Tom · 24-03-2017 06:15PM

Mr.Micro wrote: »

Any of us could go down the path of criminality or terrorism like McGuinness did.

Resistance. An awful lot of young men saw, and felt, the effects of state terrorism and decided to fight back. You may have too.

FrancieBrady · 24-03-2017 06:16PM

Mr.Micro wrote: »

Disagree. Any of us could go down the path of criminality or terrorism like McGuinness did. What stops us, the law or respect for others, even though we may disagree with them? McGuinness chose his path.

You are entitled to your view, no doubt. I just wonder do you hold the same opinion of anyone who feels the need to go to war for what they perceive to be a greater good? After all, there is a choice there too.

And a supplementary question: is the North a better now as a place to exist than it was in 1969 for McGuinness's community?

Mr.Micro · 24-03-2017 06:19PM

Jayop wrote: »

Must be nice in that ivory tower.

No ivory tower. No time for terrorists. McGuinness could probably have achieved more as a politician, as in his latter years, than he did, in all the years as an IRA leader.

Junkyard Tom · 24-03-2017 06:19PM

Jayop wrote: »

Look at Wales outside of Cardiff. That's exactly how all of Ireland would look under British rule.

Except we're across the Irish Sea and we didn't have mining for most of the last couple of centuries so we might well have been much worse.

Mr.Micro · 24-03-2017 06:22PM

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

Resistance. An awful lot of young men saw, and felt, the effects of state terrorism and decided to fight back. You may have too.

Fight back, to die.... For what? Bombs, murder and terrorism., where nobody wins.

FrancieBrady · 24-03-2017 06:25PM

Mr.Micro wrote: »

For what? .

Just because you can't see it, doesn't mean anything.

Did you see the funeral yesterday and the cross section of people who came to pay tribute to McGuinness?

I'd say the answer to your 'for what?' was inside that church if you cared to look past your prejudices.

Mr.Micro · 24-03-2017 06:26PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

You are entitled to your view, no doubt. I just wonder do you hold the same opinion of anyone who feels the need to go to war for what they perceive to be a greater good? After all, there is a choice there too.

And a supplementary question: is the North a better now as a place to exist than it was in 1969 for McGuinness's community?

Go to war? You mean terrorism, where innocent people mostly get killed.

I will never accept that all the murders and strife that happened were necessary to achieve a peace.

Muff Richardson · 24-03-2017 06:28PM

Mr.Micro wrote: »

No ivory tower. No time for terrorists. McGuinness could probably have achieved more as a politician, as in his latter years, than he did, in all the years as an IRA leader.

but he did achieve more in his latter years as a politician than all his years as an IRA leader which was precisely why the IRA called a ceasefire and turned to politics...and believe it or not it is why people have some respect for him now since his passing.

wtf? is this as idiotic a statement as I think it is??? you said it

RIP Martin McGuinness

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