Advertisement
If you have a new account but are having problems posting or verifying your account, please email us on hello@boards.ie for help. Thanks :)
Hello all! Please ensure that you are posting a new thread or question in the appropriate forum. The Feedback forum is overwhelmed with questions that are having to be moved elsewhere. If you need help to verify your account contact hello@boards.ie

Attack outside UK Houses Of Parliament — No speculation — Read 1st post

1…4445474950…71

Comments

  • #1382
    Robxxx7
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭Robxxx7


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    A 'mismatch'?

    It is no different to any other massive city in the world.

    spelling error ..meant mishmash ;)


  • #1383
    Thomas__
    Closed Accounts Posts: 618 ✭✭✭Thomas__


    Robxxx7 wrote: »
    infogiver wrote: »
    Londoners had 28 years of the the threat of the IRA and before that the Blitz and no one reacted with "fire" and they won't be treated with "fire" now either.
    If your living in London as your adopted city and your hiding behind your curtains this morning in fear, then you had better come home to your mother because if you think that there's going to be some kind of concentration camps set up to put all the Muslims in just because your nervous then your going to be very disappointed.
    London will remain as it ever was. A free democratic city where all the different cultures exist, maybe not in perfect harmony, but with the acceptance that if you want to live there it will be in a civilised fashion where nobody has sn advantage over anyone else because of their colour or creed.

    Most Londoners left years ago ... and what has been left behind is what we see today ... a mismatch of traditions and cultures and Ghettos that will never integrate unfortunately.

    Plenty of Londoners were still there, the last time I visited that city, last year. I assume that they are still there today.


  • #1384
    Widdershins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,633 ✭✭✭✭Widdershins


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Seriously, a haphazard attack in a rented car and a with a kitchen knife and another haphazard aborted/incompetent one in Belguim hardly indicates an escalation or deserves the description of 'major'.

    Why not? The fact that the murder weapons weren't originally created to serve as murder weapons? Not a gun, so not army-like enough to concern you? Cars and knives are readily available improvised weapons and Isil leaders have issued instructions to their soldiers to make use of them.

    The soldiers aren't kitted out on army combat uniform, and they're not on a government payroll, so they're not taken as seriously.
    The multitude of foiled plots or attempts are just dismissed.
    It's a strange form of denial.


  • #1385
    Snake Plisken
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,051 ✭✭✭✭Snake Plisken


    bubblypop wrote: »
    Thankfully we are living in one of the safest times ever in Europe, you should be glad

    I'm sure that's real comforting to know for the victims from yesterday, Brussels, Nice Paris etc!


  • #1386
    biko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,217 ✭✭✭✭biko


    The Backwards Man wrote: »
    There was an attack in Hell's Kitchen during the week too that fell under of the radar of our more concerned critics of radical terrorism in all its guises

    http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/manhattan/suspect-midtown-knife-killing-surrenders-cops-article-1.3005263

    I wonder why
    Probably because you weren't here to start an AH thread about it.
    I'm sorry, I can't keep track of everything that happens and start threads on it in AH.
    My focus will have to be EU, UK and Ireland. Can you take USA and Russia?


  • Advertisement
  • #1387
    FTA69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,252 ✭✭✭FTA69


    Robxxx7 wrote: »
    Most Londoners left years ago ... and what has been left behind is what we see today ... a mismatch of traditions and cultures and Ghettos that will never integrate unfortunately.

    Lol. It always makes me laugh when people come out with this rubbish despite clearly having no experience of the city or how it works.


  • #1388
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,680 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    bubblypop wrote: »
    Thankfully we are living in one of the safest times ever in Europe, you should be glad

    You should tell that to the authorities of the various European countries who feel the need to have record number of heavily armed soldiers patrolling the streets of major cities. Don't they know its so safe, there's no need for it!
    Robxxx7 wrote: »
    Most Londoners left years ago ... and what has been left behind is what we see today ... a mismatch of traditions and cultures and Ghettos that will never integrate unfortunately.

    That's rubbish. Unless things have changed drastically since I lived there a few year ago which I highly doubt


  • #1389
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 19,178 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Snake Plisken wrote: »
    I'm sure that's real comforting to know for the victims from yesterday, Brussels, Nice Paris etc!

    ???
    Yes, there are victims of terrorism today.
    It's still the safest time to be in Europe


  • #1390
    Thomas__
    Closed Accounts Posts: 618 ✭✭✭Thomas__


    ISIL has already claimed the London attack for herself.


  • #1391
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,908 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Widdershins wrote: »
    Why not? The fact that the murder weapons weren't originally created to serve as murder weapons? Not a gun, so not army-like enough to concern you? Cars and knives are readily available improvised weapons and Isil leaders have issued instructions to their soldiers to make use of them.

    The soldiers aren't kitted out on army combat uniform, and they're not on a government payroll, so they're not taken as seriously.
    The multitude of foiled plots or attempts are just dismissed.
    It's a strange form of denial.

    I am denying that it was a 'major' attack, or anything like it.

    The very fact that somebody failed today shows how lucky the guy was yesterday and how desperate it was.

    If you listened to people on here about the size of this threat, how come we are not seeing this happening every hour? How hard is it to drive a car into the centre of a city and up onto a footpath?


  • Advertisement
  • #1392
    Thomas__
    Closed Accounts Posts: 618 ✭✭✭Thomas__


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Widdershins wrote: »
    Why not? The fact that the murder weapons weren't originally created to serve as murder weapons? Not a gun, so not army-like enough to concern you? Cars and knives are readily available improvised weapons and Isil leaders have issued instructions to their soldiers to make use of them.

    The soldiers aren't kitted out on army combat uniform, and they're not on a government payroll, so they're not taken as seriously.
    The multitude of foiled plots or attempts are just dismissed.
    It's a strange form of denial.

    I am denying that it was a 'major' attack, or anything like it.

    The very fact that somebody failed today shows how lucky the guy was yesterday and how desperate it was.

    If you listened to people on here about the size of this threat, how come we are not seeing this happening every hour? How hard is it to drive a car into the centre of a city and up onto a footpath?

    You can hardly ignore that what happened yesterday was done on the same pattern like the attacks in Nice and Berlin last year, just that the attacker tried to get into the Houses of Parliament.


  • #1393
    donkeykong5
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭donkeykong5


    Thomas__ wrote: »
    Robxxx7 wrote: »
    infogiver wrote: »
    Londoners had 28 years of the the threat of the IRA and before that the Blitz and no one reacted with "fire" and they won't be treated with "fire" now either.
    If your living in London as your adopted city and your hiding behind your curtains this morning in fear, then you had better come home to your mother because if you think that there's going to be some kind of concentration camps set up to put all the Muslims in just because your nervous then your going to be very disappointed.
    London will remain as it ever was. A free democratic city where all the different cultures exist, maybe not in perfect harmony, but with the acceptance that if you want to live there it will be in a civilised fashion where nobody has sn advantage over anyone else because of their colour or creed.

    Most Londoners left years ago ... and what has been left behind is what we see today ... a mismatch of traditions and cultures and Ghettos that will never integrate unfortunately.

    Plenty of Londoners were still there, the last time I visited that city, last year. I assume that they are still there today.
    Not many left in brixton. Stockwell. Oval. And none at all in Peckham. !


  • #1394
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,908 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Thomas__ wrote: »
    You can hardly ignore that what happened yesterday was done on the same pattern like the attacks in Nice and Berlin last year, just that the attacker tried to get into the Houses of Parliament.

    I never tried to ignore them.


  • #1395
    Noddyholder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 696 ✭✭✭Noddyholder


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    I am denying that it was a 'major' attack, or anything like it.

    The very fact that somebody failed today shows how lucky the guy was yesterday and how desperate it was.

    If you listened to people on here about the size of this threat, how come we are not seeing this happening every hour? How hard is it to drive a car into the centre of a city and up onto a footpath?


    I don't see it as desperate , I see it as using the tools that are right there in front of them to launch an attack.

    On Sept. 22, 2014, Abu Mohammed al Adnani, identified by the United States as the head of the Islamic State’s external operations, issued a fatwa calling on the group’s followers in the West to “kill a disbelieving American or European — especially the spiteful and filthy French — or an Australian, or a Canadian, or any other disbeliever from the disbelievers waging war… [to] kill him in any manner or way however it may be.” This chilling call became something of a marker in the group’s history. Around the world, the Islamic State’s followers read and absorbed it. In some cases, they decided to act...

    https://www.google.es/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwj54rHh9ezSAhVBShQKHRdwB3YQFggcMAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fforeignpolicy.com%2F2016%2F03%2F30%2Flone-wolf-isis-brussels-paris-syria-iraq%2F&usg=AFQjCNEkG1AvoqHmwD2QDjpUMYbOLGZggg


  • #1396
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,908 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Noddyholder wrote: »
    I don't see it as desperate , I see it as using the tools that are right there in front of them to launch an attack.

    On Sept. 22, 2014, Abu Mohammed al Adnani, identified by the United States as the head of the Islamic State’s external operations, issued a fatwa calling on the group’s followers in the West to “kill a disbelieving American or European — especially the spiteful and filthy French — or an Australian, or a Canadian, or any other disbeliever from the disbelievers waging war… [to] kill him in any manner or way however it may be.” This chilling call became something of a marker in the group’s history. Around the world, the Islamic State’s followers read and absorbed it. In some cases, they decided to act...

    https://www.google.es/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwj54rHh9ezSAhVBShQKHRdwB3YQFggcMAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fforeignpolicy.com%2F2016%2F03%2F30%2Flone-wolf-isis-brussels-paris-syria-iraq%2F&usg=AFQjCNEkG1AvoqHmwD2QDjpUMYbOLGZggg

    And why did he do that?

    Because they are no longer able to launch major attacks.
    And I also have to say, there are not a lot of people listening and taking action.
    To listen to people here these attacks should be much more common should they not. But they aren't. Why is that?


  • #1397
    selwyn froggitt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 481 ✭✭selwyn froggitt


    Robxxx7 wrote: »
    Most Londoners left years ago ..

    No they haven't


  • #1398
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,680 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    And why did he do that?

    Because they are no longer able to launch major attacks.
    And I also have to say, there are not a lot of people listening and taking action.
    To listen to people here these attacks should be much more common should they not. But they aren't. Why is that?

    Well there are a lot of terror related arrests happening recently. Obviously the authorities do what they can, but some people slip through the net due to the sheer amount of people on the radar of intelligence agencies. Is this not a problem in itself? How many attacks would there be if the potential terrorists weren't apprehended beforehand? Lucky for us, these people seem to be quite vocal about their intentions.


  • #1399
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,908 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    Well there are a lot of terror related arrests happening recently. Obviously the authorities do what they can, but some people slip through the net due to the sheer amount of people on the radar of intelligence agencies. Is this not a problem in itself? How many attacks would there be if the potential terrorists weren't apprehended beforehand? Lucky for us, these people seem to be quite vocal about their intentions.

    Exactly. The major threat has been diminished.
    The guy yesterday had no support around him and had to move quickly as any overt action by him would have brought him back onto the radar.
    that is why I applied the descriptor 'desperate'. It suits the event more than 'major' does anyhow.


  • #1400
    Jayop
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,387 ✭✭✭✭Jayop


    It seems to me that the nature of most of the attacks recently are lone wolf attacks or a small group of people with no real association to ISIS, but of course ISIS will claim the attacks as their own despite more than likely having no central knowledge of them before hand. It suits their agenda for these attacks to be chalked off to them.

    In reality, they show a complete inability to succeed with any real large coordinated attacks. It of course doesn't make things any better for the victims, but if all they can manage is a few nut jobs driving cars into people and attacking with knives then the security services are winning as much as they can do.


  • #1401
    Robxxx7
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭Robxxx7


    selwyn froggitt wrote: »
    No they haven't

    http://blogs.ft.com/ftdata/2016/06/09/are-londoners-leaving-london-internal-migration-uk/

    But hey what do i know ..according to some on here who seem to know my history better than me .. seem to think i know nothing of London .. anyway enjoy the rest of your thread .. i'm stepping out for a beer :D


  • Advertisement
  • #1402
    donkeykong5
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭donkeykong5


    selwyn froggitt wrote: »
    Robxxx7 wrote: »
    Most Londoners left years ago ..

    No they haven't
    Yes they have. Many have moved to Norfolk. Have you seen the state of Luton recently ?


  • #1403
    OWinter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 47 ✭OWinter


    My first thoughts when this happened was that it could be a possible RIRA or Eirigi tribute to the Late Martin McGuiness - glad I was wrong

    RIP to the victims


  • #1404
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    robinph wrote: »
    This thread was already beyond 19 pages within 2 hours of the initial incident and before there was any official statements given about anything at all regarding what had happened, let alone any motive or suspect for it. So quite clear that the location being London was the reason for the fast moving thread rather than who did what.

    Yes, the nature of the attacker when it became clear in Canada may have caused less people to post as posters were then all in agreement that a right wing nut job was a right wing nut job so there was no longer any point in arguing over religion or extremists from within that religion.
    What was telling with the Quebec thread was how quickly some of those posting with full gusto and thanking some of the most absurd posts in here (the 'tanks-in-exchange-for-Muslim-bashing' brigade), only to completely vanish from the thread when it came out that he was a white nationalist. Needless to say, they're out in force again on this thread as per usual.

    (not including you in that cohort by the way, just pointing it out)


  • #1405
    selwyn froggitt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 481 ✭✭selwyn froggitt


    donkeykong5 wrote: »
    Yes they have. Many have moved to Norfolk. Have you seen the state of Luton recently ?

    What? Luton is in Bedfordshire the last time I looked


  • #1406
    A_Sober_Paddy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,221 ✭✭✭A_Sober_Paddy


    elefant wrote: »
    How?

    Who do we attack? Where?

    How do we take out lone nut-jobs like the guy from London yesterday?

    Saudi Arabia they seem to find a lot of the dodgy schools that push the fundamental viewpoint


  • #1407
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 25,917 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    OWinter wrote: »
    My first thoughts when this happened was that it could be a possible RIRA or Eirigi tribute to the Late Martin McGuiness - glad I was wrong

    RIP to the victims
    Oh aye, sure they love ould Martin.


  • #1408
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,908 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    OWinter wrote: »
    My first thoughts when this happened was that it could be a possible RIRA or Eirigi tribute to the Late Martin McGuiness - glad I was wrong

    RIP to the victims

    RIRA, Eirigí paying 'tribute' to Martin McGuinness? Seriously???? :D


  • #1409
    BattleCorp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,867 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    FrancieBrady wrote: »

    Because they are no longer able to launch major attacks.

    It would be very easy to launch a major attack. Much easier if they picked smaller towns in which to carry out these attacks. London is very fortified now. Plenty of armed police. Not so much in sleepy rural areas or small towns.

    If a terrorist was to go into a primary school armed with a knife in a rural area, they'd be able to slaughter 20 or 30 kids in a few minutes. What's to stop them?

    If a terrorist was to get a lorry and decided to plough into a load of people at a parade or demonstration, or shopping centre, or at a funeral - well we have seen the effects of that already.


  • #1410
    ScumLord
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,789 ✭✭✭✭ScumLord


    Noddyholder wrote: »
    I don't see it as desperate , I see it as using the tools that are right there in front of them to launch an attack.
    The attack wasn't any more organised than someone just losing it there and then and deciding to go on a rampage. If that's the best they can come up with democracy is safe. I wouldn't be surprised to hear this guy has mental issues, or has been under some sort of stress and just snapped.


  • Advertisement
  • #1411
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,908 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    BattleCorp wrote: »
    It would be very easy to launch a major attack. Much easier if they picked smaller towns in which to carry out these attacks. London is very fortified now. Plenty of armed police. Not so much in sleepy rural areas or small towns.

    If a terrorist was to go into a primary school armed with a knife in a rural area, they'd be able to slaughter 20 or 30 kids in a few minutes. What's to stop them?

    If a terrorist was to get a lorry and decided to plough into a load of people at a parade or demonstration, or shopping centre, or at a funeral - well we have seen the effects of that already.

    There never has been anything to stop them and never will be.

    But apparently there are milluns and milluns of Muslims justing queuing up to do it.


Advertisement