Attack outside UK Houses Of Parliament — No speculation — Read 1st post

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Thomas__ wrote: »

Thanks for that. I wouldn´t have brought up any comparison with the troubles ever myself. But I see some parallels there, just that the "roots" as you say, are just different from one another. Let´s wee how others view your post. I can´t agree with you on the whole of it, but I understand the point you´re making or trying to make by that comparison.

I wasn't trying to say it was the same situation.

But the reaction or lack of reaction from the wider Muslim community is totally understandable. They are a much less open community than the Irish one was and there will have to be huge trust built before you get what is required from them.
But that trust is a huge prize and asset in the fight against these random low level attacks. It will far outweigh whatever size of intelligence community you want to employ.

But it will take massive work. But I don't see any choice really.

andekwarhola wrote: »

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Try and see the reaction of the wider Muslim community through the prism of what happened the Irish.

When British and Unionist state violence was at it's worst the Irish community closed ranks to a large extent. While they didn't support Irish republicanism there was a latent tendency to do or say nothing too. It is what happens when communities come under oppression.

The vast majority of Muslims are no different. The only way you will stop or minimise these attacks is to solve the root cause of why these people feel there is a need to attack.
That is the stark choice. Otherwise random low level attacks with ordinary implements will continue to happen.

But that means steering a tricky path between addressing poverty in marginalised communities, preserving liberal rights and absorbing new cultures (which should always be the case) but also addressing the fact that de facto religious ghettos exist - and are growing  - in a secular democracy.

And also accepting that unbridled immigration into already marginalised communities is not a rosy panacea

Something that's seems harder and harder to do with the increasing political polarization around the topic.

andekwarhola wrote: »

Thomas__ wrote: »

There´s hardly any topic these days which has no political polarization and that makes many topics toxic in some ways, when people are easy to misled and incited it won´t end good.

I mean more that there is a significant portion of what you would call the liberal centre/left that can analyze complex situations as they are and without idelogical baggage but would be shouted down by others on the left, let alone those on the right and tend to stay out of the discussions as a result.

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Thomas__ wrote: »

It´s always people on both sides of the extreme who are shouting down those who disagree with them. Ideological baggage, as you call it, is more a hinderance to all that than it helps. One has to simply focus on the facts and act accordingly and that applies to all enemies of the free and democratic world.

I just like to add that wherever a Muslim is involved in terror attacks as the perpetrator of the attack, you can´t stop the far-right and right-wingers from taking the incident and use it for their propaganda. Same way as you will always have those from the opposite site who seek to find any excuse for that or even downplay the incident in order to shield the whole Muslim community from being exposed to collective blame.

Why should the whole muslim community be collectively blamed for the actions of individuals?  would you be happy for the whole irish community in the uk in the 70's and 80's to be collectively blamed for the actions of the IRA?

bubblypop wrote: »

Thomas__ wrote: »

He carried out the attack by himself, but as you may know by now, there have been seven others arrested in Birmingham and the car the attack drove into the people was rented from a rental car company in Birmingham, thus the trace leading to them. It is already stated that there is some IS-Network already operating in the UK, probably small, but capable of such attacks.

Maybe you might keep yourself up to date and follow the news. My line was directed to his accomplices.

I don't believe it has been proved he had any accomplices.
Maybe you should follow the news closer