Attack outside UK Houses Of Parliament — No speculation — Read 1st post

tigger123 · 23-03-2017 02:56PM

Snake Plisken wrote: »

Time for the intelligence services across Europe to intern anyone that has come across their desk as a possible extremist and do a proper assessment of them. These monsters will never learn you have to fight fire with fire with these scumbags.

The previous British experience with internment is a case in point, and illustrates that it absolutely works, and won't backfire in any way whatsoever.

FrancieBrady · 23-03-2017 02:57PM

tigger123 wrote: »

The previous British experience with internment is a case in point, and illustrates that it absolutely works, and won't backfire in any way whatsoever.

True dat.

wes · 23-03-2017 03:02PM

robinph wrote: »

If you are comparing an attack by one kind of extremist in Vancouver with one by another type of extremist in Montreal then you may have a point, but Canada is further away than London in terms of miles, media exposure, culture, relatives, and people having visited in person. You also have the time of day that it happened matching up with when people are sat around trying to avoid doing work and watching live news feeds on the internet, something happening in Canada is less likely to be occurring live on the 24 news feed in Ireland at a time of day when people are awake to tweet about it.

Again, look at the thread, it became a ghost town. once it was known it wasn't an attack by an Islamic extremists. It pretty clear that the nature of the attacker is why interest dropped off.

Beanybabog · 23-03-2017 03:06PM

My heart goes out to the families and friends of the victims whose lives have changed forever. Even on days like yesterday we can see the best of people... the doctors, nurses, police, people on the street, who did their best to help and comfort the victims. I can't honestly say I would run towards the scene of a terrorist attack to help.... they must have been afraid for their own lives but did it anyway. Their bravery is commendable.

El Weirdo · 23-03-2017 03:09PM

donkeykong5 wrote: »

I was referring to the parents of the scum who murdered lee Rigby and the parents of the Pakistani rapists. Who are you on about ?

Well, for a kick off, Michael Adebowale's Mother is a probation Officer and his father worked for the Nigerian High Commission.

Any proof that all of the other parents were all unemployed?

Billy86 · 23-03-2017 03:10PM

donkeykong5 wrote: »

I was referring to the parents of the scum who murdered lee Rigby and the parents of the Pakistani rapists. Who are you on about ?

So what are their names, home did they move or the UK, and where are there employment/dole records?

Snake Plisken · 23-03-2017 03:11PM

tigger123 wrote: »

The previous British experience with internment is a case in point, and illustrates that it absolutely works, and won't backfire in any way whatsoever.

well this would be a Europe wide operation, how come nearly every attack that happens in Europe the scum that carry out the attack has been know to the authorities? Also European armies and police need to break up these so called ghettos and no go zones in France Belgium, Sweden etc.
It would be great if this happened and some of the countries had the balls to do it but as we know from experience they won't!

mfceiling · 23-03-2017 03:14PM

CoolHandBandit wrote: »

Europeans haven't got the bottle to fight fire with fire. All iv'e heard since yesterdays attack is how we must be more tolerant and accept this as part and parcel of life in a big city.

What would happen if 10 or 12 mosques across Europe were blown to smithereens by lunatics from England, France or wherever? Would it wash if Europe said "well you'll just have to be more tolerant and accept this as part and parcel of life nowadays"

FrancieBrady · 23-03-2017 03:15PM

Snake Plisken wrote: »

well this would be a Europe wide operation, how come nearly every attack that happens in Europe the scum that carry out the attack has been know to the authorities? Also European armies and police need to break up these so called ghettos and no go zones in France Belgium, Sweden etc.
It would be great if this happened and some of the countries had the balls to do it but as we know from experience they won't!

They won't because even though you don't see it, it is a protection of your civil rights too.
Ad hoc internment is just the stupidest wrongheaded way to go.

infogiver · 23-03-2017 03:16PM

CoolHandBandit wrote: »

Europeans haven't got the bottle to fight fire with fire. All iv'e heard since yesterdays attack is how we must be more tolerant and accept this as part and parcel of life in a big city.

Londoners had 28 years of the the threat of the IRA and before that the Blitz and no one reacted with "fire" and they won't be treated with "fire" now either.
If your living in London as your adopted city and your hiding behind your curtains this morning in fear, then you had better come home to your mother because if you think that there's going to be some kind of concentration camps set up to put all the Muslims in just because your nervous then your going to be very disappointed.
London will remain as it ever was. A free democratic city where all the different cultures exist, maybe not in perfect harmony, but with the acceptance that if you want to live there it will be in a civilised fashion where nobody has sn advantage over anyone else because of their colour or creed.

RobertKK · 23-03-2017 03:17PM

Belgian police have arrested a man after he tried to drive into a crowd of people in Antwerp.

robinph · 23-03-2017 03:17PM

wes wrote: »

Again, look at the thread, it became a ghost town. once it was known it wasn't an attack by an Islamic extremists. It pretty clear that the nature of the attacker is why interest dropped off.

This thread was already beyond 19 pages within 2 hours of the initial incident and before there was any official statements given about anything at all regarding what had happened, let alone any motive or suspect for it. So quite clear that the location being London was the reason for the fast moving thread rather than who did what.

Yes, the nature of the attacker when it became clear in Canada may have caused less people to post as posters were then all in agreement that a right wing nut job was a right wing nut job so there was no longer any point in arguing over religion or extremists from within that religion.

The posting did not drop off because people were themselves right wing nut jobs as you were suggesting:

wes wrote: »

Just pointing out the blatant hypocrisy of the right, when it comes to terror from within there own ranks. Plenty of the right happy to blame Muslims in general, while ignoring or down playing terror, from there own extremists. Go check how many pages, there were on the attack in Canadan by a far right terrorist on AH (19) compared to 87 on this one. The only difference between the 2 attacks being the terrorists ideology.

Snake Plisken · 23-03-2017 03:20PM

RobertKK wrote: »

Belgian police have arrested a man after he tried to drive into a crowd of people in Antwerp.

here we go again! I speculate that we will have at least another 3-4 major terrorist attacks across Europe before the year is over all under the flag of Islam!
What a depressing time we are living through :mad:

FrancieBrady · 23-03-2017 03:24PM

Snake Plisken wrote: »

here we go again! I speculate that we will have at least another 3-4 major terrorist attacks across Europe before the year is over all under the flag of Islam!
What a depressing time we are living through :mad:

Seriously, a haphazard attack in a rented car and a with a kitchen knife and another haphazard aborted/incompetent one in Belguim hardly indicates an escalation or deserves the description of 'major'.
The reactions may have been 'major' though.

*and I stress, that is not meant to lessen the grief and strife of the victims.

wes · 23-03-2017 03:25PM

robinph wrote: »

This thread was already beyond 19 pages within 2 hours of the initial incident and before there was any official statements given about anything at all regarding what had happened, let alone any motive or suspect for it. So quite clear that the location being London was the reason for the fast moving thread rather than who did what.

Yes, the nature of the attacker when it became clear in Canada may have caused less people to post as posters were then all in agreement that a right wing nut job was a right wing nut job so there was no longer any point in arguing over religion or extremists from within that religion.

From the outset, there was doubt who committed the attack btw, All interest died once it was clear it wasn't Islamic extremists. So again the nature of the attack clearly effects interest.

robinph wrote: »

The posting did not drop off because people were themselves right wing nut jobs as you were suggesting:

Didn't use the term right wing nut jobs........ The quote you used clearly shows I didn't. Poor show to put words in my mouth like that.

Christy42 · 23-03-2017 03:29PM

robinph wrote: »

This thread was already beyond 19 pages within 2 hours of the initial incident and before there was any official statements given about anything at all regarding what had happened, let alone any motive or suspect for it. So quite clear that the location being London was the reason for the fast moving thread rather than who did what.

Yes, the nature of the attacker when it became clear in Canada may have caused less people to post as posters were then all in agreement that a right wing nut job was a right wing nut job so there was no longer any point in arguing over religion or extremists from within that religion.

The posting did not drop off because people were themselves right wing nut jobs as you were suggesting:

It dropped off as there was no one that anyone wanted to ban wholesale from their country because of the attack. Just look at the post below yours. No one wants to take extreme action to stop the next right wing attack for obvious reasons but plenty want to take extreme action if the attacker is a Muslim.

Posters are not suggesting that it dropped off because a lot of posters are extremit's. More that they are simply interested in events that help their agenda. Similar to the way that gun attacks have received the massive response from Republicans of "thoughts and prayers" if even but if it can be blamed on a Muslim you will see Trump tweeting wholesale to justify various policies.

23-03-2017 03:31PM

Snake Plisken wrote: »

here we go again! I speculate that we will have at least another 3-4 major terrorist attacks across Europe before the year is over all under the flag of Islam!
What a depressing time we are living through :mad:

Thankfully we are living in one of the safest times ever in Europe, you should be glad

The Backwards Man · 23-03-2017 03:33PM

There was an attack in Hell's Kitchen during the week too that fell under of the radar of our more concerned critics of radical terrorism in all its guises

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/manhattan/suspect-midtown-knife-killing-surrenders-cops-article-1.3005263

I wonder why

23-03-2017 03:33PM

Snake Plisken wrote: »

well this would be a Europe wide operation, how come nearly every attack that happens in Europe the scum that carry out the attack has been know to the authorities? Also European armies and police need to break up these so called ghettos and no go zones in France Belgium, Sweden etc.
It would be great if this happened and some of the countries had the balls to do it but as we know from experience they won't!

You should consider yourself lucky that you live in a Europe that respects your human rights.
People are innocent until proven guilty.
You would have a lot more to worry about if the police just decided themselves who they were putting in prison.

Noddyholder · 23-03-2017 03:34PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Seriously, a haphazard attack in a rented car and a with a kitchen knife and another haphazard aborted/incompetent one in Belguim hardly indicates an escalation or deserves the description of 'major'.
The reactions may have been 'major' though.

*and I stress, that is not meant to lessen the grief and strife of the victims.

Ah come on francie the reason why them attackers are using cars trucks and everyday items is that there impossible to prevent, unlike smuggling/sneaking guns,bombs in to an area.

That truck attack in nice killed 84 people.

jackofalltrades · 23-03-2017 03:34PM

robinph wrote: »

Yes, the nature of the attacker when it became clear in Canada may have caused less people to post as posters were then all in agreement that a right wing nut job was a right wing nut job so there was no longer any point in arguing over religion or extremists from within that religion.

Exactly, pretty much everyone is in agreeance on how to deal with far-right extremism.
The same consensus doesn't seem to exist when it comes to Islamic extremism and how to combat it.
You need two side to have a lengthy discussion.

Wes wrote:

Just pointing out the blatant hypocrisy of the right, when it comes to terror from within there own ranks.

I'd consider myself centre right, far right extremists aren't within my "own ranks".

FrancieBrady · 23-03-2017 03:36PM

Noddyholder wrote: »

Ah come on francie the reason why them attackers are using cars trucks and everyday items is that there impossible to prevent, unlike smuggling/sneaking guns,bombs in to an area.

That truck attack in nice killed 84 people.

Yes, and it could be happening every day and night of the year. It isn't. That surely means the threat level is low and is coming from a tiny tiny minority of people.

If you apply the descriptor 'major' to yesterday and today's event what are you going to use for something like 9-11?

It's complete over the top scaremongering, is the point.

donkeykong5 · 23-03-2017 03:37PM

El Weirdo wrote: »

donkeykong5 wrote: »

I was referring to the parents of the scum who murdered lee Rigby and the parents of the Pakistani rapists. Who are you on about ?

Well, for a kick off, Michael Adebowale's Mother is a probation Officer and his father worked for the Nigerian High Commission.

Any proof that all of the other parents were all unemployed?

A probation officer.....are you having a laugh. Scum breeds scum !

wes · 23-03-2017 03:39PM

jackofalltrades wrote: »

I'd consider myself centre right, far right extremists aren't within my "own ranks".

Sure, and Sufi Muslims, Shia Muslims, non-Whabbi Sunni Muslims (all of whom are victims of Islamic extremists themselves) are all lumped in with ISIS as well. I am just applying the same logic. If Sufi, Shia, and non-Whabbi Sunnis Muslims are responsible for ISIS, then right in general should be held to a similar standard.

Noddyholder · 23-03-2017 03:40PM

The Backwards Man wrote: »

There was an attack in Hell's Kitchen during the week too that fell under of the radar of our more concerned critics of radical terrorism in all its guises

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/manhattan/suspect-midtown-knife-killing-surrenders-cops-article-1.3005263

I wonder why

We can all crawl the internet looking for incidents to try & claim some moral victory, here's another one you might have missed.

Cook County prosecutors on Thursday filed hate-crime charges against four African-American defendants accused of holding a white mentally disabled man captive, torturing him for hours and posting videos of acts that police Supt. Eddie Johnson called “reprehensible” and the White House condemned.

https://www.google.es/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=6&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwj6l63W7OzSAhXKXRQKHTZSDFoQFgg0MAU&url=http%3A%2F%2Fchicago.suntimes.com%2Fnews%2Fblack-captors-torture-white-victim-rant-against-trump-cpd-says%2F&usg=AFQjCNElrqAkuh4H4mbm3V-09cGjQZ9lZQ

Beanybabog · 23-03-2017 03:41PM

The third victim has been named. A US tourist in his 50s called Kurt Cochran, who was visiting Europe with his wife for their 25th wedding anniversary (who was also injured in the attack). Such a waste of life. RIP

Thomas__ · 23-03-2017 03:43PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Snake Plisken wrote: »

well this would be a Europe wide operation, how come nearly every attack that happens in Europe the scum that carry out the attack has been know to the authorities? Also European armies and police need to break up these so called ghettos and no go zones in France Belgium, Sweden etc.
It would be great if this happened and some of the countries had the balls to do it but as we know from experience they won't!

They won't because even though you don't see it, it is a protection of your civil rights too.
Ad hoc internment is just the stupidest wrongheaded way to go.

That´s what all the right-wing hysterics forget when they call for harsh responses, cos they think that their own civil rights won´t be touched, just those of the others. That´s the way those pro-Erdogan voters in Turkey and abroad think as well. It´s only them, not us, until they come for themselves as well, when uttering one wrong word.

You either have a country ruled by the law with civil rights guarenteed, or you have one ruled by an autocrat with civil rights stripped off from you. But that´s too hard to make right-wingers to bother at all, cos they would be part of the other system.

Robxxx7 · 23-03-2017 03:44PM

infogiver wrote: »

Londoners had 28 years of the the threat of the IRA and before that the Blitz and no one reacted with "fire" and they won't be treated with "fire" now either.
If your living in London as your adopted city and your hiding behind your curtains this morning in fear, then you had better come home to your mother because if you think that there's going to be some kind of concentration camps set up to put all the Muslims in just because your nervous then your going to be very disappointed.
London will remain as it ever was. A free democratic city where all the different cultures exist, maybe not in perfect harmony, but with the acceptance that if you want to live there it will be in a civilised fashion where nobody has sn advantage over anyone else because of their colour or creed.

Most Londoners left years ago ... and what has been left behind is what we see today ... a mismatch of traditions and cultures and Ghettos that will never integrate unfortunately.

FrancieBrady · 23-03-2017 03:50PM

Robxxx7 wrote: »

Most Londoners left years ago ... and what has been left behind is what we see today ... a mismatch of traditions and cultures and Ghettos that will never integrate unfortunately.

A 'mismatch'?

It is no different to any other massive city in the world.

ohnonotgmail · 23-03-2017 03:53PM

Robxxx7 wrote: »

Most Londoners left years ago ... and what has been left behind is what we see today ... a mismatch of traditions and cultures and Ghettos that will never integrate unfortunately.

Oh for the days of old when we would gather round the old joanna and sing Knees Up Mother Brown.

Attack outside UK Houses Of Parliament — No speculation — Read 1st post

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