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RIP Martin McGuinness

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  • #512
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,916 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Jayop wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/SJAMcBride/status/844183989095223296

    Arlene must be squirming


  • #513
    Mental Mickey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,726 ✭✭✭✭Mental Mickey


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    Nail on head. Without him there would be no peace in the North. Can you imagine Arlene reaching out the hand of friendship to nationalists? She is of yet undecided as to whether she will go to Martin's funeral. A hate filled group.

    Nice words from Trimble


  • #514
    Lucy8080
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,980 ✭✭✭Lucy8080


    Clinton and Blair are going to attend the funeral,it seems.


  • #515
    citytillidie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,006 ✭✭✭✭citytillidie


    Bambi wrote: »
    Derry doesn't vote as one constituency for Westminister elections. It's split into Foyle and East Londonderry.


    Durkan is heavily reliant on unionist votes to get him past the post. The SDLP knows it, the unionists know it and Sinn Fein know it. You don't somehow.

    You don't seem to be very clued in on this confused.png

    Foyle is mostly city of Derry and out laying areas / East Derry is the rest of the county and Coleraine

    This is the Foyle constituency
    The District of Derry wards of Altnagelvin, Ballynashallog, Beechwood, Brandywell, Carn Hill, Caw, Clondermot, Creggan Central, Creggan South, Crevagh, Culmore, Ebrington, Eglinton, Enagh, Foyle Springs, Holly Mount, Kilfennan, Lisnagelvin, New Buildings, Pennyburn, Rosemount, Shantallow East, Shantallow West, Springtown, Strand, The Diamond, Victoria, and Westland.

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  • #516
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,618 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Snickers Man wrote: »
    I have made it quite clear I was talking about Westminster elections where Derry (Foyle) votes as one constituency. Jayop certainly got that point, hence his/her wondering why they would bother standing for a seat they would abstain from filling anyway. Only Westminster continues to be so shunned by successful SF candidates today.

    You are probably talking about the Assembly or local elections in which Derry is a multiseat constituency (six then/five now) with people elected by PR.

    When there is only one choice to make, they wouldn't have made it McGuinness. He knew that. They didn't make it McLoughlin, Anderson or O'Hara either.

    Again I say, 'politician in smart political move shocker'. :rolleyes:

    Also has anyone claimed that he was 'loved' by everyone in his home city?
    SF have ding dong battles all over the place to win seats and they see saw in many places, that's politics.


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  • #517
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,618 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Lucy8080 wrote: »
    Clinton and Blair are going to attend the funeral,it seems.

    Ramping up the pressure on the DUP.


  • #518
    bigbrotherfan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 227 ✭✭bigbrotherfan


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Ramping up the pressure on the DUP.
    Clinton & Blair are hugely significant attendees.


  • #519
    Lucy8080
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,980 ✭✭✭Lucy8080


    I heard Arlene Foster's address to the assembly at lunchtime.I would say she is going to the funeral too, Judging by it's tone.


  • #520
    PhuckHugh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 683 ✭✭✭PhuckHugh


    Lucy8080 wrote: »
    I heard Arlene Foster's address to the assembly at lunchtime.I would say she is going to the funeral too, Judging by it's tone.

    When is the funeral, tomorrow?


  • #521
    Lucy8080
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,980 ✭✭✭Lucy8080


    PhuckHugh wrote: »
    When is the funeral, tomorrow?

    yup, 2 o'clock.


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  • #522
    Alf Stewart.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,789 ✭✭✭Alf Stewart.


    Lucy8080 wrote: »
    I heard Arlene Foster's address to the assembly at lunchtime.I would say she is going to the funeral too, Judging by it's tone.

    It would be political suicide not to imo.


  • #523
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,618 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Alf Stewart. wrote: »
    It would be political suicide not to imo.

    Hasn't bothered Arlene before. But I agree, she looks boxed in on this one.


  • #524
    bigbrotherfan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 227 ✭✭bigbrotherfan


    The longer this goes on and the more high profile figures involved, the more difficult the position for Arlene Foster.


  • #525
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,618 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    bigbrotherfan wrote: »
    The longer this goes on and the more high profile figures involved, the more difficult the position for Arlene Foster.

    I posted last night wondering why they couldn't have avoided damage by saying straight away that she would attend.
    They seem incapable of not damaging themselves in the wider public eye or they don't care.
    This is just ramping up the longer it goes on and it will look like she capitulated to pressure now if she does go.


  • #526
    timthumbni
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,845 ✭✭✭timthumbni


    The mail in the U.K. Has a 6 page spread on mcguinness today. Rightly highlights a lot of the shameful antics he was involved in directly and supported. As I said earlier no one should have to be thanked just because they decided that bombing and shooting people wasn't going anywhere.


  • #527
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,618 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    timthumbni wrote: »
    The mail in the U.K. Has a 6 page spread on mcguinness today. Rightly highlights a lot of the shameful antics he was involved in directly and supported. As I said earlier no one should have to be thanked just because they decided that bombing and shooting people wasn't going anywhere.

    I think your 'there was only one side engaged in the conflict' nonsense has an audience of one believer - yourself.

    Do yourself a favour and read what the GFA sorted out and you will get an idea of the extent of the problems that led to the conflict/war.


  • #528
    dinorebel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,378 ✭✭✭dinorebel


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    I posted last night wondering why they couldn't have avoided damage by saying straight away that she would attend.
    They seem incapable of not damaging themselves in the wider public eye or they don't care.
    This is just ramping up the longer it goes on and it will look like she capitulated to pressure now if she does go.

    Am no supporter by a long shot but her base vote will be disgusted if she attends and the general population will be appalled if she doesn't.

    It's perversely enjoyable watching her squirm though.


  • #529
    timthumbni
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,845 ✭✭✭timthumbni


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    timthumbni wrote: »
    The mail in the U.K. Has a 6 page spread on mcguinness today. Rightly highlights a lot of the shameful antics he was involved in directly and supported. As I said earlier no one should have to be thanked just because they decided that bombing and shooting people wasn't going anywhere.

    I think your 'there was only one side engaged in the conflict' nonsense has an audience of one believer - yourself.

    Do yourself a favour and read what the GFA sorted out and you will get an idea of the extent of the problems that led to the conflict/war.

    Well as I said this was in the mail , one of the most read newspapers and news websites in the U.K.


  • #530
    timthumbni
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,845 ✭✭✭timthumbni


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    timthumbni wrote: »
    The mail in the U.K. Has a 6 page spread on mcguinness today. Rightly highlights a lot of the shameful antics he was involved in directly and supported. As I said earlier no one should have to be thanked just because they decided that bombing and shooting people wasn't going anywhere.

    I think your 'there was only one side engaged in the conflict' nonsense has an audience of one believer - yourself.

    Do yourself a favour and read what the GFA sorted out and you will get an idea of the extent of the problems that led to the conflict/war.

    Well as I said this was in the mail , one of the most read newspapers and news websites in the U.K.


  • #531
    Mr.Micro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,336 ✭✭✭Mr.Micro


    bigbrotherfan wrote: »
    Clinton & Blair are hugely significant attendees.

    I don't think so. Would anyone want Blair anywhere near them, dead of alive. He has more blood on him than the whole of the IRA.


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  • #532
    Jelle1880
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,086 ✭✭✭✭Jelle1880


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    I think your 'there was only one side engaged in the conflict' nonsense has an audience of one believer - yourself.

    Do yourself a favour and read what the GFA sorted out and you will get an idea of the extent of the problems that led to the conflict/war.

    Where exactly does he say so ? Or do you think that when people mention the atrocities he is responsible for it's only because they think the British weren't the bad guys ? It seems to be the standard response, so I'm just wondering.

    Or is it more the fact you think his past actions should be glossed over just because he later decided to use peaceful means ?


  • #533
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,126 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    timthumbni wrote: »
    Well as I said this was in the mail , one of the most read newspapers and news websites in the U.K.

    Looking at the front pages of the daily mail in the UK and Ireland tells you all you need to know about that tabloid

    Ireland

    idm-5.jpg

    UK

    daily_mail.750.jpg


  • #534
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,618 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Jelle1880 wrote: »
    Where exactly does he say so ? Or do you think that when people mention the atrocities he is responsible for it's only because they think the British weren't the bad guys ? It seems to be the standard response, so I'm just wondering.

    Or is it more the fact you think his past actions should be glossed over just because he later decided to use peaceful means ?

    I don't think any part of his life should be 'glossed' over nor should his life be split into two halves.
    Peaceful people have gone to war for the greater good many many times in history.
    Judge for yourself if what we have in the north now is a 'greater good' than when McGuinness first involved himself.

    I am a long time reader of Tim's posts. I know very well what his shtick is.


  • #535
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,916 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Alf Stewart. wrote: »
    It would be political suicide not to imo.

    surely she's afraid of the crocodiles


  • #536
    Lucy8080
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,980 ✭✭✭Lucy8080


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    I posted last night wondering why they couldn't have avoided damage by saying straight away that she would attend.
    They seem incapable of not damaging themselves in the wider public eye or they don't care.
    This is just ramping up the longer it goes on and it will look like she capitulated to pressure now if she does go.

    It could be that she was always going. I'm speculating, but I reckon it was probably wise to say nothing . In the last twenty -four hours the media has been filled with praise and damnation as people were asked for their views.

    If Foster announced yesterday that she was attending, I would say a lot of vitriol would have come her way. If she announces tonight, or in the morning that she is attending, it will be easier for some in the unionist community to accept it, in the light of knowing who else is attending.

    It will look more like an honouring of the peace process ,with all sides represented . The new dispensation ,rather than the old.It's understandable,I think, that the D.U.P. would handle this carefully in regards to the sensitivities of their own community.


  • #537
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,126 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Jelle1880 wrote: »
    Where exactly does he say so ? Or do you think that when people mention the atrocities he is responsible for it's only because they think the British weren't the bad guys ? It seems to be the standard response, so I'm just wondering.

    Or is it more the fact you think his past actions should be glossed over just because he later decided to use peaceful means ?

    Nobody is glossing over his past. He wouldnt be the first to realise that violence does not achieve political ends. His efforts to bring peace to northern ireland will be his legacy.
    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    I don't think any part of his life should be 'glossed' over nor should his life be split into two halves.
    Peaceful people have gone to war for the greater good many many times in history.
    Judge for yourself if what we have in the north now is a 'greater good' than when McGuinness first involved himself.

    I am a long time reader of Tim's posts. I know very well what his shtick is.


    For once i find myself in complete agreement with you. I think i'll go for a lie down. :D


  • #538
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,916 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    Looking at the front pages of the daily mail in the UK and Ireland tells you all you need to know about that tabloid

    Ireland

    idm-5.jpg

    UK

    daily_mail.750.jpg

    how original


  • #539
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,126 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    lawred2 wrote: »
    how original

    what is?


  • #540
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,618 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Lucy8080 wrote: »
    It could be that she was always going. I'm speculating, but I reckon it was probably wise to say nothing . In the last twenty -four hours the media has been filled with praise and damnation as people were asked for their views.

    If Foster announced yesterday that she was attending, I would say a lot of vitriol would have come her way. If she announces tonight, or in the morning that she is attending, it will be easier for some in the unionist community to accept it, in the light of knowing who else is attending.

    It will look more like an honouring of the peace process ,with all sides represented . The new dispensation ,rather than the old.It's understandable,I think, that the D.U.P. would handle this carefully in regards to the sensitivities to their own community.

    I agree that could be the case. But recent history, very recent, makes me wonder.
    We will see I suppose.


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  • #541
    Junkyard Tom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,115 ✭✭✭✭Junkyard Tom


    I couldn't give a damn if Arlene Frosty goes and MMcG's family probably couldn't care less either. Let her stay away.


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