Louise O Neill on rape culture.

pumpkin4life wrote: »

http://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/una-mullally-cruel-summer-ahead-with-no-female-festival-headliners-1.3016414

Wasn't Mullaly beating that drum last summer as well?

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

Yeah, apparently googled 'was I raped'-which is disturbing that was not called into question.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2149462/Brian-Banks-One-time-football-star-rape-charge-dismissed-years-prison-accuser-contacts-Facebook-say-happened.html

There was also this incident-a student who spent 6 years in prison for rape. When he was released, his accuser messaged him on facebook and added him as a friend-then said she wanted 'bygones to be bygones' and admitted he never raped her. She was caught on video saying the same thing, and thus his conviction was overturned. But his life is ruined-nay, destroyed. No matter what, people will say stuff like 'oh, he lied or claim 'internalised misogyny made her feel like he was innocent'. The accuser, Wanetta Gibson, said she wouldn't testify it was a lie, because her mom had sue his school, won 1.5 million, and didn't want to pay the money back...(a court case since has ruled she must repay 2.6 million dollars to the school).
Now, if we compare it to the Brock Turner case-Banks was given ALL the wrong advice by his lawyers, while Turner was wealthy and availed of a class based system.
Interestingly, Banks didn't cry 'white privilege'-and he could, oh golly he could have. But he did cite privliege-as in wealth based privilege.

“I would say it’s a case of privilege,” Banks said. “It seems like the judge based his decision on lifestyle. He’s lived such a good life and has never experienced anything serious in his life that would prepare him for prison. He was sheltered so much he wouldn’t be able to survive prison. What about the kid who has nothing, he struggles to eat, struggles to get a fair education? What about the kid who has no choice who he is born to and has drug-addicted parents or a non-parent household? Where is the consideration for them when they commit a crime?”

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4233902/Inmates-rape-conviction-overturned-days-hes-killed.html

Or this case, where a guy was killed in prison due to a very disturbing method of conviction-an officer lied in order to gain a testimony out of him (claimed dna had been found, when it had not). And a nurse gave a testimony that 'a rape can occur without showing any signs of brusing or tearing'-she wasn't qualified to give testimony.
The person in question had his conviction overturned-but it was 4 days after he was beaten to death in prison. Now, I will admit-he wasn't exactly the nicest guy, he was on the sex offenders register, but it seems like they wanted a convction, even if he was innocent.

Regarding the false rape accusations, it sounds like this poor guy is getting well and truly shafted. It's a longish read, but some shocking stuff in there.

http://watchdog.org/291268/father-fired-defending-disabled-son-campus-kangaroo-court/

It's quite possible that he did rape her, but if the story is to be believed he isn't even getting a fair chance to defend himself. The fact that he was technically raped by his accuser is completely ignored too. This is what happens when "feminists" like Louise O'Neill keep pushing this rape culture nonsense.

TheDavester wrote: »

Will she/LON have a meltdown as there's no women in the Champions Leauge (I know theres a womens soccer one but id guess theyd hardly care or notice there is one)..ffs they really are reaching for problems

It is a sad life, and it leading to bitterness, and Mullally is on about gender quotas for a music festival if there were ever first world problems this is it. The process of music festivals such as this is to appeal to those who will pay big prices to go to acts they want to see, not what Una forces them to see.

I find it ironic that a lot of the male headliners for music festivals are acts which, in my opinion, have a predominantly female fan base. Ed Sheeran headlining Glastonbury this year for example. Muse and Coldplay headlining last year. Funnily enough Adele headlined Glastonbury last year also despite being a woman, and a curvy one (fat shaming?) at that. It's almost as though if you're talented and popular enough you'll be asked to headline regardless of what's between your legs.

Like you said though, it must be sad looking at everything in life in terms of gender quotas.

Widdershins wrote: »

I hadn't seen your edited part. Well I don't think circumcision is looked on like that.

It's legal in the West, FGM isn't. That's the issue. Infant female genitalia are afforded the protection of the state, infant male genitalia are not. This is an example of male disposability (women matter, men not so much) and is something which boys growing up are exposed to repeatedly, both from outdated sources (seeing men being left to drown in the film "Titanic") and from current sources (hearing a discrepancy of female underachievement being condemned as sexist discrimination, eg corporate ladder imbalances, while male underachievement is hailed as female accomplishment, eg exam results). Add this to the LoN brand of "feminism" which convicts all men simply by gender association and demands that every accusation ruin somebody's career (see the article I linked to over the page). Hear enough of that sh!te during your childhood and of course it's going to piss you off - how could it not?

pumpkin4life wrote: »

http://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/una-mullally-cruel-summer-ahead-with-no-female-festival-headliners-1.3016414

I couldn't finish the article, got overwhelmed with the narrow mindedness of it.

No wonder no one wants to engage in a "conversation" with her, when she calls obvious facts and arguments "excuses".

I'd rather not have any woman featured in a festival line up, but have quality acts, than ****ty female acts because, quotas.

mzungu wrote: »

Funny and all as IT, Guardian and Huffington Post opinion pieces are, they certainly don't have the power to do that.

Besides, those bankers, politicians and lobbyists have been getting away with stuff long before clickbait came along.

I'm not so sure, they do have the power to fracture powerful social movements. Look at what happened in America after the primaries - people I know personally (and I've seen similar stories hundreds of times over the last year so it's not just a tiny minority) who would always have identified as left wing voted for feckin' Trump just because the SJW media and its incessant, inflammatory preaching pissed them off so much that it seemed worth putting up with him just to piss them off. And I fully believe that Brexit in the UK was affected by a similar movement - people voted for Brexit not in spite of the talking heads on the TV telling them not to, but BECAUSE they were telling them not to.

its a teaser all right , why would teenage boys make it their goal to become rock stars? the opportunity to travel? they dont like office jobs?...there must be a better reason?

I know it isn't directly LON related but this Guardian critique of Beauty and Beast seemed bizarre to me

I do, however, feel bound to point out that Belle’s invention is a washing machine, a contraption she rigs up to a horse, to do her domestic work while she teaches another, miniature feminist how to read. The underlying message baked into this pie is that laundry is women’s work, which the superbly clever woman will delegate to a horse while she spreads literacy. It would be better if she had used her considerable intellect to question why she had to wash anything at all, while her father did nothing more useful than mend clocks. It’s unclear to me why anyone in this small family needs to know the time.

It seems to send the message that women, rather than solving problems, should get women's studies degrees and complain that men won't fix everything for them. I mean, the washing machine liberated more women than any number of marches or pamphlets

As many have probably heard, there has been another leak of images of female celebrities-I wonder if LoN and co will find a way to tie this into the 'rape culture' myth-though many have remained quiet on the subject, at the moment.

I know the last time folks were decrying it as 'ownership of women's bodies'...never mind that those are images, not 'actual' bodies.

511 wrote: »

You can also mute posters and hide comments now.

That's just wrong-won't be using that page again-what's the point? Discourse is important, completely.
I could understand it if the messages were of the 'I hate....insert ethnic, religious, minority group here'-but if you have an opinion you disagree with-shouldn't you be allowed challenge it?

I knew the site was going downhill-but that badly is just a joke, tbh. Wonder if this will apply to posters who criticise the Journal's owner, Denis O'Brien?

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/jj-barnes/the-world-needs-angry-mot_b_15294434.html

I found this article to be quite disturbing-not for the elements she included, but for certain quotes from within-notably.

Of course we can acknowledge the men who suffer too. I hear you, I get it, and it is true that men are also abused and protecting our little boys should be as important in our lives. But men are not abused based purely on their biology in the same way as women. They are not cut, raped, sold, abused as routinely as women. And not only are men not as regularly victims of the evils of the world, they’re the ones primarily perpetrating the crimes in the first place, both against women and against other men.

Besides being article she, the author, uses to promote her work-this paragraph leapt out at me like a hot dagger.
Really? So circumcision does not count as being 'cut'? It's carried out in so-called civilised society. Boys are routinely abused, on a daily basis-even teachers who see a boy beating beaten the hell out of will just look at it and say 'oh, that's just boys being boys' (I even know a few current folks teaching who have said this to me). Girls, on the other hand...
And I don't care how many children are sold as prostitutes-primarily because one is too much. If it's more boys than girls, or more girls than boys-that is still far too many. And abuse is pretty even, tbqh. The rate of sexual abuse is higher among girls, yes, but the rate of physical abuse is higher among boys. And the statistics about 'men being more evil'...yeah, I call BS on that. We know the domestic violence rates are even keel among men and women, women being more likely to seek help.

There are more statistics in that article-but her 'anger' made me angry-for all the opposite reasons. Her statistics were haphazard at best, loose at worst.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/daniel-cieslak-walks-free-from-court-after-admitting-raping-girl-12_uk_58cbd5bbe4b0be71dcf3c3dd

This article I find troubling. For one thing, the accused believe the girl, a minor, was at least 16 (legal consenting age in the uk)-others noted she seemed closer to 20. So to completely put blame on him is a tad unfair, to say the least. The headline, 'man accused of rape walks free' is a misnomer-no force was used, there wasn't an element of danger involved. He genuinely believed she was of the age to consent (and she consented, despite her age), as did others, such as the taxi driver. In fact, he completely broke down crying when he learned she was underage. He met her at 4am that morning, in a taxi bay-most of us would assume a minor would not be out past that time.
I have no doubt that in this situation, both were victims. But for different reasons.

Una Mullaly wrote: »

Story from Australia today about a man competing in a women's weightlifting competition because he identities as a woman. He of course destroyed the competition.

I think this will become a major issue in the near future (transgenders in women's sport) and it will be interesting to see how feminists deal with it.

It happened at an American amateur wrestling competition too recently. Its ridiculousness will only get highlighted by the mainstream media when it gets to the Olympics.

Is Mullaley finally seeing some things are finally ridiculous

JRant wrote: »

The National Women's Council of Ireland should be ashamed of themselves for retweeting this nonsense

https://twitter.com/nwci/status/843058871140794369