Poll: Time to proscribe the RC Church?

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Never had a personal issue with the RCC. They were there for me when I lost family members and friends. I'll always remember our Parish Priest travelling up to Dublin to the hospital from the midlands a few hours after my granny died. He was there for us. She had already received the Last Rites from the hospital chaplain but he insisted on coming up to bless her and to be there for the family.

A great friend of mine committed suicide in 2013. I sat by his coffin at the wake with another Priest from the Parish, I wasn't anyway religious at the time. He explained to me the concept of "Hate the Sin, not the Sinner." God Almighty will judge will and not man.

I can understand people who have had negative experiences but I can only go on my own experiences. I'm proud to be a member of the Catholic Church. They did more good than they ever did bad in this country.

I watched a documentary about Harold Shipman where relatives of his victims still felt he was a good doctor and were puzzled by their own ability to compartmentalise the monster and the good doctor.
You seem to have done something similar with the RCC.

I think this phenomenon is probably akin to a form of Stockholm syndrome.

hinault wrote: »

What damage did RCC do to DEFTLEFTHAND's relatives?

I think you`ve misunderstood my point. I was merely making an observation that people can compartmentalize the actions of others.
DEFTLEFTHAND is willing to ignore the rape of children and the subsequent cover up by RCC clergy, mass graves, along with all the other abuses because he/she had a positive experience with them. And also follow it up with the frankly disturbing statement:
"I'm proud to be a member of the Catholic Church. They did more good than they ever did bad in this country."

This struck me as similar to the relatives of Harold shipman's positive thoughts on his abilities as a doctor and hence the comparison.

topmanamillion wrote: »

I think you`ve misunderstood my point. I was merely making an observation that people can compartmentalize the actions of others.
DEFTLEFTHAND is willing to ignore the rape of children and the subsequent cover up by RCC clergy, mass grave, along with all the other abuses because he/she had a positive experience with them.
This struck me as similar to the relatives of Harold shipman's thoughts on him and hence the comparison.

Rational people form their views about an organisation based on their direct experience, or lack thereof, of that same organisation.

DEFTLEFTHAND's experience has been positive, hence his/her view.

topmanamillion wrote: »

I'm all to aware of their interventions in impoverished countries:

But you're not aware of all of their interventions in impoverished countries, are you?

No, but I'd like to see people who commit crimes prosecuted. That would seem a more sensible course.

uch wrote: »

I've no idea what the OP means by proscribe

That would be an ecumenical matter.

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Nobody here knows why so many perverts winded up in the Irish Catholic Church.

You would wonder at times what kind of island this was. From studying clerical abuse cases from Ireland, to Australia, to Boston, and south America.

There's one worrying link to all these cases. All the perps seem to be either Irish or of Irish extraction

Why did these sexual deviants wind up in the church. They might have looked upon it as a career option, preying on the general naivety of the Church. The Church expect men to live their lives to the standard of Jesus Christ.

Their weakness is that they fail to see the bad in people.

The RCC doesn't have a monopoly on this. Just take any organisation where undue deference is shown, but the church being a worldwide organisation had so much more scope to create, hide or move around wrong doers than say swimming clubs or the BBC.

In the past, young men were pretty much forced into the church just to have a "prIest in the family" a sign of respectability...that must form at least part of the root of the problem, that custom.

I see the church being in terminal decline here. I will give it 15 years and many churches will have locked their doors as the older generation dies off. They won't be able to get priests so I assume whatever parishes are still active will either have to import them or use lay people.

Not sure if it's possible to proscribe or take the church for everything it's got to compensate victims. They've already been granted an amnesty and theres no votes in it...the older generation being the group who actually go to the bother of voting.

You'd be surprised at how many younger adults still attend Mass and get involved in their Parish.

I'm 28 and plenty of my fellow members who are active are younger or around the same age. We'll be here for a while yet. I will fight for the Catholic Church till the end.

And listen if you want to get really deep about the shiftiing demographics in western Europe you will get behind our Judeo Christian culture which forged all of your western values. The source

If you don't stand up for this, then maybe future generations will be adherent to something else. Another Abrahamic culture.

To quote Larry Dunne when he was sent down for 10 years.

"If you think we were bad, you'd want to see what's coming next"

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

A great friend of mine committed suicide in 2013. I sat by his coffin at the wake with another Priest from the Parish, I wasn't anyway religious at the time. He explained to me the concept of "Hate the Sin, not the Sinner." God Almighty will judge will and not man.

I'm sorry for your loss, but you seem to be saying that you're allowing an adherent to an organisation that facilitated and condoned the most egregious abuse of children to call your friend, who was obviously struggling and in need of help, a sinner?
In fact, only years earlier, he would have denied him a proper burial because of his 'mortal sin'

I would have told him to get the fück out of there.