Eir rural FTTH thread

ratracer · 03-03-2017 12:36PM

knipex wrote: »

I checked the roads where the cables run on poles.

No splice boxes, no signs of new cables run in, no nothing..

All roads out of village have blue lines. Checked 3 of them and not a sign of a splice boxes or a fiber cable having been run.

I can see copper splice boxes but that's it.

There is a pole right outside my house from which the existing copper line runs into my house.. It has 2 old copper splice boxes. Nothing new added.

Have any of the older poles been replaced? This seems to be the very start point of the roll out from what I can tell?

knipex · 03-03-2017 12:43PM

ratracer wrote: »

Have any of the older poles been replaced? This seems to be the very start point of the roll out from what I can tell?

Not on my road (to my knowledge) but then again the poles look to be in good condition. Not so sure about the other roads but nothing obvious sticking out..

But then I am at work all day so its possible that works are done during the day and they are gone before I get home but I have not noticed anything around..

That is one of the reasons I went out and checked a few roads just to see if I had missed fiber being run in,..

Gonzo · 03-03-2017 01:33PM

knipex wrote: »

Croom is supposed to go live on the 8th.

I had a look at some of the roads on the blue lines and I cannot see a single strand of fiber run anywhere. Now I certainly haven't checked all the roads so its possible that some houses will be ready for connection but unless dozens of crews arrive on site and start running fiber 24/7 until the 8th it aint going to happen in any meaningful way.

maybe Croom is starting off with a small roll-out of just 1 or 2 roads to begin with. So far the roll-out is a mix between exchanges almost getting fully completed in one go and exchanges that go live with only 1/5th of the planned roll-out.

Sometimes mistakes happen on the map with live dates and the exchange then gets moved on by several months/seasons. Happened to Rosslare Harbour and 2 other exchanges recently. Hopefully that isn't the case here.

damienirel · 03-03-2017 01:39PM

"Director of Field Operations, Una Stafford, Director of Field Operations said that eir "are undertaking the largest broadband rollout programme across Europe". - what a load of BS! Does she know other countries other than Ireland are in Europe. Jeez they really spout nonsense when they get in front of media.
They sound like Trump. - The biggest ever! FFS get a grip Eir - yer way behind most of europe and you're pretending to play catch up.

banjopeter · 03-03-2017 01:42PM

Grumpypants wrote: »

Kinvara now says fttc going live march 22nd. I just hope it doesn't impact my already poor connection when they send the extra volume through the existing system.

Ftth still says spring/summer. Estimated to be June.

What effect will FTTC have on anyone who is still on the bog standard copper? Surely it at should at least reduce congestion, or is that wishful thinking on my part? I see three vans sitting in the rain all morning, with a drum of fibre cable nearby. They are continuing the cabling of Crushoa and Mountscribe, it seems.

ED E · 03-03-2017 01:56PM

banjopeter wrote: »

What effect will FTTC have on anyone who is still on the bog standard copper? Surely it at should at least reduce congestion, or is that wishful thinking on my part? I see three vans sitting in the rain all morning, with a drum of fibre cable nearby. They are continuing the cabling of Crushoa and Mountscribe, it seems.

Before any NGA goes live they have to provide the backbone to the LEX for it, it should only improve things on the legacy DSLAMs.

Gonzo · 03-03-2017 03:05PM

damienirel wrote: »

"Director of Field Operations, Una Stafford, Director of Field Operations said that eir "are undertaking the largest broadband rollout programme across Europe". - what a load of BS! Does she know other countries other than Ireland are in Europe. Jeez they really spout nonsense when they get in front of media.
They sound like Trump. - The biggest ever! FFS get a grip Eir - yer way behind most of europe and you're pretending to play catch up.

Spain is one country which is really surging ahead, their FTTH network is already very expansive, with a large portion of customers moving over to FTTH from the copper network. There are almost 23 million FTTH lines passed in Spain end of 2016, up from 15 million end of 2015.

The Cush · 03-03-2017 03:16PM

ED E wrote: »

Before any NGA goes live they have to provide the backbone to the LEX for it, it should only improve things on the legacy DSLAMs.

Our local exchange went NGA around Dec but my brother's VF ADSL still drops off at times, is it possible VF could still be using the old microwave link which is still in place? It's still a vast improvement on what was there before, congested microwave link, since they connected the exchange with core fibre with all lines up to 2kms able to avail of up to 100Mbps VDSL.

damienirel · 03-03-2017 04:06PM

Gonzo wrote: »

Spain is one country which is really surging ahead, their FTTH network is already very expansive, with a large portion of customers moving over to FTTH from the copper network. There are almost 23 million FTTH lines passed in Spain end of 2016, up from 15 million end of 2015.

Does the media here ever take them to task on comments like that instead of just regurgitating lies? people believe that sh1te.
You'd swear Eir invented fibre the way they sh1te on about it.

Gonzo · 03-03-2017 04:53PM

damienirel wrote: »

Does the media here ever take them to task on comments like that instead of just regurgitating lies? people believe that sh1te.
You'd swear Eir invented fibre the way they sh1te on about it.

Our FTTH development is really only starting and progress has been painfully slow over the past year. Even by 2019 we won't make any of the FTTH league tables in Europe, will be 2020 and beyond before we get there. The United Kingdom and Germany are also looking very poor, possibly worse than Ireland.

http://beta.evolita.com/suggests/reports/for/ftth/

damienirel · 03-03-2017 05:02PM

Gonzo wrote: »

Our FTTH development is really only starting and progress has been painfully slow over the past year. Even by 2019 we won't make any of the FTTH league tables in Europe, will be 2020 and beyond before we get there. The United Kingdom and Germany are also looking very poor, possibly worse than Ireland.

http://beta.evolita.com/suggests/reports/for/ftth/

The link doesn't back up you comment on UK and Germany being worse - at least they're in the tables.

03-03-2017 06:33PM

damienirel wrote: »

"Director of Field Operations, Una Stafford, Director of Field Operations said that eir "are undertaking the largest broadband rollout programme across Europe". - what a load of BS! Does she know other countries other than Ireland are in Europe. Jeez they really spout nonsense when they get in front of media.
They sound like Trump. - The biggest ever! FFS get a grip Eir - yer way behind most of europe and you're pretending to play catch up.

Well, to be fair we do have the largest rural population that lives in houses strung along country roads, almost all other countries have their populations centred around towns & villages. That makes for a huge infrastructure project relative to the size of population served.

KeRbDoG · 03-03-2017 07:14PM

Gonzo wrote: »

Our FTTH development is really only starting and progress has been painfully slow over the past year. Even by 2019 we won't make any of the FTTH league tables in Europe, will be 2020 and beyond before we get there. The United Kingdom and Germany are also looking very poor, possibly worse than Ireland.

http://beta.evolita.com/suggests/reports/for/ftth/

Found Ireland showing up here under FTTH/B;
http://beta.evolita.com/explore/ftth-b-market-share-in-europe-by-country/5rl5a/

ED E · 03-03-2017 07:59PM

The Cush wrote: »

Our local exchange went NGA around Dec but my brother's VF ADSL still drops off at times, is it possible VF could still be using the old microwave link which is still in place? It's still a vast improvement on what was there before, congested microwave link, since they connected the exchange with core fibre with all lines up to 2kms able to avail of up to 100Mbps VDSL.

Seems like there are several examples like this. Think Kilmhill is one of said.

Its just a small reconfiguration of ATM traffic but they seem very slow to move it over to the new aggregator.

Grumpypants · 03-03-2017 09:51PM

banjopeter wrote: »

What effect will FTTC have on anyone who is still on the bog standard copper? Surely it at should at least reduce congestion, or is that wishful thinking on my part? I see three vans sitting in the rain all morning, with a drum of fibre cable nearby. They are continuing the cabling of Crushoa and Mountscribe, it seems.

From my understanding they just squash 100mb into the existing copper network for Fttc. Those within 2km can get a boost. But it drops off very quickly as the network cant handle it.

With that extra traffic in the first 2km im worried it will reduce the ability of an already poor network to pass along my 2mb !

The Cush · 03-03-2017 11:07PM

Grumpypants wrote: »

From my understanding they just squash 100mb into the existing copper network for Fttc. Those within 2km can get a boost. But it drops off very quickly as the network cant handle it.

With that extra traffic in the first 2km im worried it will reduce the ability of an already poor network to pass along my 2mb !

Two different technologies, VDSL up to 100 Mbps/max distance 1.5/2 kms, ADSL up to 8 or 24 Mbps/up to 6 kms. One doesn't affect the other, in fact VDSL should benefit your 2 Mbps ADSL because VDSL requires a core fibre connection at the exchange which ADSL can benefit from if connected to the fibre at the exchange.

Gonzo · 04-03-2017 01:10AM

Imagine LTE launched this week in my area and all across south Meath and north Dublin. Bit late to the game now that FTTH is launching here on Wednesday!

Rob your area Summerhill is now covered by Imagine too.

rob808 · 04-03-2017 01:45AM

Gonzo wrote: »

Imagine LTE launched this week in my area and all across south Meath and north Dublin. Bit late to the game now that FTTH is launching here on Wednesday!

Rob your area Summerhill is now covered by Imagine too.

Thank Gonzo but I'll stick with my DSL I stream a lot and that 20Gb day allowance a joke.my house covered with tree don't think I would get a signal either way.

tsue921i8wljb3 · 04-03-2017 01:58AM

I've updated the alternative map and the spreadsheet with the latest announcements. I make it 10920 rural premises passed so far not including those rural within an urban exchange area.

Gonzo · 04-03-2017 02:36AM

rob808 wrote: »

Thank Gonzo but I'll stick with my DSL I stream a lot and that 20Gb day allowance a joke.my house covered with tree don't think I would get a signal either way.

agreed that 20gig per day allowance is a total deal breaker making it useless to most gamers/streamers. If they had a monthly allowance instead of daily allowance the product might be slightly more attractive.

murphaph · 04-03-2017 08:38AM

damienirel wrote: »

The link doesn't back up you comment on UK and Germany being worse - at least they're in the tables.

A Dublin house on cable internet has significantly faster download speeds than a Berlin house on FTTH. Deutsche Telekom FTTH only goes up to 200mbps.

Ireland is doing things right. Use the existing copper in towns and villages to relatively quickly provide fast internet to most of the population, then start FTTH in areas of one off and ribbon development where copper technology is ineffective, then presumably go back to the towns and cities and roll FTTH out to them at the end. Yes Siro and to a lesser extent Eir have their isolated FTTH to towns roll outs but clearly Eir's focus is on getting in position for the NBP.

The reason other countries are way up the FTTH rankings is because they rolled it out in urban areas first instead of FTTC and this is obviously faster in passing more homes for FTTH but slower in providing "decent broadband to the masses".

Gwynston · 04-03-2017 07:36PM

At last some quantifiable progress along my way down the side road from Loughgeorge on the N.W. of Claregalway:
This morning I passed a couple of Open Eir vans stringing thick black cable between the existing poles - that's fibre, right? :cool:

long_b · 04-03-2017 09:53PM

Gwynston wrote: »

At last some quantifiable progress along my way down the side road from Loughgeorge on the N.W. of Claregalway:
This morning I passed a couple of Open Eir vans stringing thick black cable between the existing poles - that's fibre, right? :cool:

It's not particularly thick but is usually strung higher than the existing wire with distinctive metal brackets.

Can anyone tell me where the identifying number is that I need to get from the pole? Is it in the splitter box? Ta

04-03-2017 10:18PM

long_b wrote: »

It's not particularly thick but is usually strung higher than the existing wire with distinctive metal brackets.

Can anyone tell me where the identifying number is that I need to get from the pole? Is it in the splitter box? Ta

The poto shows a fibre passing over the copper splitter boxes, the splice box is larger and will have a coil of fibre wrapped around it. It will be on another pole.
edit: looking again I see the coil of fibre but no splice box, looks like it hasn't been fitted yet.
There is a number printed with black characters onto a yellow label stuck (vertically )to the side of the splice box, the label is large enough to be read from the ground.

kevinbad2010 · 04-03-2017 10:44PM

Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »

I've updated the alternative map and the spreadsheet with the latest announcements. I make it 10920 rural premises passed so far not including those rural within an urban exchange area.

godsend thanks for keeping the map up to date been watching it over the past few weeks

long_b · 04-03-2017 10:59PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The poto shows a fibre passing over the copper splitter boxes, the splice box is larger and will have a coil of fibre wrapped around it. It will be on another pole.
edit: looking again I see the coil of fibre but no splice box, looks like it hasn't been fitted yet.
There is a number printed with black characters onto a yellow label stuck (vertically )to the side of the splice box, the label is large enough to be read from the ground.

Good Lord yes, that's embarrassing. Compared this with an earlier photo and it's the exact same. A FTTH induced hallucination!

Gonzo · 05-03-2017 02:52PM

just checked my number, I'm passing for Eir Fibre Extreme for the first time ever!

What to do now, wait for Wednesday the 8th before ordering?

edit, my neighbours who have the eircode checker are still failing, yet my number is passing.

Can order 1000mb broadband ONLY @ 45 euros per month for first 4 months and 75 per month after, free installation.

Passing for it on Pure Telecom checker as well. The Digiweb checker hasn't worked for months, doesn't return any data.

Think im gonna go for the 300meg broadband, the 1000 is just overkill and coming from 8 megs this is as much speed as I need.

rob808 · 05-03-2017 04:00PM

Gonzo wrote: »

just checked my number, I'm passing for Eir Fibre Extreme for the first time ever!

What to do now, wait for Wednesday the 8th before ordering?

edit, my neighbours who have the eircode checker are still failing, yet my number is passing.

Can order 1000mb broadband ONLY @ 45 euros per month for first 4 months and 75 per month after, free installation.

Passing for it on Pure Telecom checker as well. The Digiweb checker hasn't worked for months, doesn't return any data.

wasn't your neighbour's passing before you with there numbers strange ,or is it just the Eir codes.

Gonzo · 05-03-2017 04:36PM

rob808 wrote: »

wasn't your neighbour's passing before you with there numbers strange ,or is it just the Eir codes.

neighbours were showing a generic message showing potential to get 1000megs when entering phone number and would then fail when asking for a number or eircode.

neighbours numbers who show this message since this morning fail when checking the number but now pass when eircode is used.

I dont have the generic message or eircode checker facility on my number so the number just passes.

Kristopherus · 05-03-2017 07:52PM

Gonzo wrote: »

just checked my number, I'm passing for Eir Fibre Extreme for the first time ever!

What to do now, wait for Wednesday the 8th before ordering?

edit, my neighbours who have the eircode checker are still failing, yet my number is passing.

Can order 1000mb broadband ONLY @ 45 euros per month for first 4 months and 75 per month after, free installation.

Passing for it on Pure Telecom checker as well. The Digiweb checker hasn't worked for months, doesn't return any data.

Think im gonna go for the 300meg broadband, the 1000 is just overkill and coming from 8 megs this is as much speed as I need.

Great stuff. At long last you have concrete news. From reading other posts, it may be adviseable to go for 150mbps initially as it will be easy to upgrade if its not filling your needs.

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