Does anyone know what the ethnic Traveller Status statement actually means?

elfy4eva · 02-03-2017 12:40PM

Just to address the OP.

As I understand it travellers were already treated as a de facto ethnicity, the recognition yesterday was more or less a media photo opportunity to get various civil rights commissions off the government back.

In regards to legislation the Irish times reports that no new legislation is required, which suggests existing legislation covers this.

Graces7 · 02-03-2017 12:50PM

Patricia Tinkling Sternum wrote: »

People are very intimidated by Travelers and I think this is going to make divisions worse as now they are officially "different".

In what ways? That has not been my experience. When anyone steps over the line the same rules apply.

Graces7 · 02-03-2017 12:55PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

The big question for those who love Travellers is...

Do you live next to them right now?

OR, Would you live next to them and their caravans and all the rest of it?

I doubt you would like it, so you are trolls IMO if you say yes,

Would genuinely like an answer.

Why always that question? Is it to justify the Carrickmines episode of sheer inhumanity?

I treat travellers as I treat all others. With respect and with firmness when needed.

Graces7 · 02-03-2017 01:00PM

JamboMac wrote: »

Nope last week probably everyday of the week asked to cut the hedges and once twice in the same day, the second time just after my dad left in the jeep, I wonder why they would do that?

Have travellers actually bother trying to sociable with us country folk as they would call, we won't trust them because they want to keep their secrets and they won't trust us because we expect them to go to school and get a job.

Ahem. there few enough rural folk I would trust..... Not at first. And everyone is entitled to privacy f that is what you mean by "secrets"?

First you blame them for not working then you blame them for trying?

Graces7 · 02-03-2017 01:05PM

Sweetemotion wrote: »

What are the elderly people of rural Ireland, who are intimidated by this "special culture" going to think. Seeing Enda Kenny giving them more rights. than the people they are intimidating?

Surly this is the end for Enda.

What a cnut.

Writing as an elderly person, nearly 80, living in rural Ireland I am not nor ever have been intimidated by travellers.

Was threatened/attacked once by someone who it emerged was a settled traveller but that was just him. And the Garda sorted him.

Had more trouble in my life with non travellers... far far more!

We have rights period. Up to us to use them. On all sides.

So please spare your hearts and flowers on our behalf!

Graces7 · 02-03-2017 01:08PM

b_mac2 wrote: »

+1

The amount of virtue signalling on Boards makes me sick. I bet all these people would cross the road if they even thought a traveller might be approaching them.

Really? I spent a while yesterday at Knock chatting to two travellers, mother and daughter, who had troubles. Will do that for all I meet.

We are not all like you.

nuac · 02-03-2017 01:10PM

Permabear wrote: »

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Good post, PB

Should be copied to all traveller support organisations.

Graces7 · 02-03-2017 01:15PM

DredFX wrote: »

And that epitomises why I can't take the whole 'there are decent ones' fallback seriously whenever I hear it.

A similar story would be a few travellers that my sister knows. They're cousins of the Moate Joyces and, from my few encounters, decent fellas. Never been in trouble with the law, have taxable jobs, stuck around till the Junior Cert (baby steps, people). Mighty characters, and, as you'd suspect, they hate the generalisations they hear under muttered breaths whenever they head out in public.

But despite that they still associate themselves with the bad apples. Still drink with them, marry their daughters, attend family events, dress like them, watch their bareknuckle fights. I bring up their facebook profiles, scroll down a bit, and see Davey Joyce. Scroll a little more: Joe Joyce. Sound as they are, these men don't have the introspection needed to realise that hanging around these fellas and further compounding the stereotypes don't help their grievances at all.

It's up to the clean apples to distinguish themselves from the rotten, but as any glance at their social-media profiles will teach you, it'll be a long bloody road before people stop crossing the road the second they see a group of travellers approaching.

So no members of non traveller families do wrong? Family matters. You want them to deny their kin? Would you?

Sam Kade · 02-03-2017 01:15PM

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Are you sure that it wasn't a Wexford accent you were listening to?

Sam Kade · 02-03-2017 01:20PM

I read where a traveller was complaining about this recognition he said he'll have traveller stamped on his passport from now on.

oneilla · 02-03-2017 01:49PM

Sue Pa Key Pa wrote: »

The source of the money.............. How many times must it be said that this is the single biggest reason there is distrust of travellers by the settled community?

Go on... elaborate.

Graces7 · 02-03-2017 01:58PM

Gavinz wrote: »

Super.

They're now free to continue their reign of terror on the countries elderly, while being protected from criticism by both the law and the hysterical, permanently offended tossers of the country.

Long live Enda. The absolutely not retarded and pandering glorious leader.

As a member of the country's elderly I object to my situation and status being abused in this way,What reign of terror? I have never ever seen a sign of it and I have lived nearly 20 years in rural Ireland, alone in the house.

So stop with the patronising!

Have had issues with JWs and with some feuding locals but never any travellers

Water John · 02-03-2017 01:59PM

There is little need for elaboration. If any family is existing solely on social welfare, it is that, just existing.
The visual evidence is that many traveller families have a much higher disposable income than this.

I admire any Traveller families who have done well eg The Fureys, so I am quite content that I am not racially motivated in my assessment of their behaviour.
I have a good number of experiences of them, whilst living in a rural area. none of them positive. I am looking across at a neighbours house that was robbed over 50 years ago. Convicted from fear someone says I'm jumping to conclusions. Many other experiences since then.

nelly17 · 02-03-2017 02:02PM

I was listening to the radio yesterday and someone was saying they can no longer be treated as a Minority as a result and it made no sense to me how could this be so when they are now officially being recognised as an Ethnic Minority. Either way on a day to day basis most of the problems Travellers encounter are down to a socially created attitude, that socially created attitude in a lot of cases is driven by Traveller behaviour not their culture. Nobody ever shouts about the good deeds the Travelling community do but that said people don't fall over themselves about the good deeds done by any community. Look at the papers its all gubberment this, gubberment that someone up in court ,bad news is the only news.

Dirty Dingus McGee · 02-03-2017 02:03PM

fiachr_a wrote: »

Ireland's some country, we can't integrate our Travellers or Northern Loyalists yet expect to integrate refugees.

That's because those groups don't want to integrate.

Sue Pa Key Pa · 02-03-2017 02:04PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Oh, so when you claimed the sky would fall in and we should turn to God to save our souls...

Your main concern was...the source of their money?

My neighbour is a carpenter who does nixers. May Jesus and the Saints have mercy on me...

I doubt their money is sourced by doing nixers. I'd be delighted if that was the case

Graces7 · 02-03-2017 02:06PM

The Backwards Man wrote: »

I've had many's a dealing with travellers down through the years, some good, some not so good, same as with everybody else.

There's less than a dozen people my dog lets through my gate, three of them are postmen, two of them are travellers, none of them are curtain twitching yahoos that post on boards. Make of that what you will.

Best post in the thread! Thank you!

Graces7 · 02-03-2017 02:10PM

red ears wrote: »

Your dog is used to your post men and the two travellers.

No; dogs are cannier than that

Living Off The Splash · 02-03-2017 02:10PM

aujopimur wrote: »

Will they wear special badges?.

EM badges on all number plates as distinct from CD. Let's hope we see less Northern Ireland registered cars now that they have this recognised special status from the Irish Government.

02-03-2017 02:30PM

BalcombeSt4 wrote: »

From the low level intellegence conversations going on in this thread I wouldn't expect anybody in Ireland to get a job anymore if there all this thick.

*Intelligence

*They're

I love when this happens. Someone takes a shot at calling people thick and they f*ck it up themselves. It's poetry.

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Help!!!! · 02-03-2017 02:32PM

When I was growing up the travellers would come to town for a few weeks over summer, set up home on the outskirts. They never really caused any trouble. The most people would complain about would be the mess they would leave behind. Unless there was a funeral then all bets were off. I made friends with some of the kids every so often when they would be sent to school. My dad used to buy the odd thing of them when they would come knocking the door....still does some times. I left Ireland in 95, been back every year for a few days so never paid any attention. Moved back 3 years ago. Cant believe the change. Seen kids cycling up the middle of the road & try to kick a womans car before calling her every name that they could think of. Sulky racing, a horse dies, they leave it on the side of the road. Theres always at least one member of one family going to court in the local paper. Was involved with the after schools for a few months, the younger ones are all lovely but the older the were getting the more dodgy they seemed. One older boy even stole a phone off of one of the women looking after them.
Now the schools dont seem to give them any homework, dont know if its because of the schools neglecting them or whether the kids just dont bother. Hopefully someday they will see that education is important. I'd like to see someone like John Connors using his fame to try helping them get education & try to encourage them to try to integrate. Pavee Point doesnt seem to be any use to them

tylercheribini · 02-03-2017 02:38PM

So historically majority of settled community have shared the same religion with travellers, same language (barring dialectical differences), same skin colour/physicality and up until 500 years ago, the same genealogy but yet they are a separate ethnicity? I note a distinct lack of cultural artefacts that could be called uniquely traveller too. They do posess some questionable customs/rituals that are seperate to the settled majority but so do some of my neighbours and relatives. I think its dangerous territory to start labelling every subculture a distinct ethnicity. Surely by the afore mentioned criteria the west coast island communities could claim their own ethnic status?

02-03-2017 02:41PM

FrKurtFahrt wrote: »

I'll say one thing in favour of the Travelling Community. They don't block up the Health Service or hospitals or clinics, at least not in my experience. I've never seen one with a disability, or Down Syndrome (for example), or in a wheelchair, or with a walking-stick or even glasses. I've never seen one who is deformed or seemingly deranged, or blind or suffering from any such ailment.

Why is that?

I know a deaf traveller. He killed someone by punching him out cold under a bus. Lovely guy. He got 7 years for an incident in 2012 but he's out now.

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/circuit-court/homeless-man-jailed-for-pushing-man-to-his-death-under-bus-1.2114045%3Fmode%3Damp

Corvo · 02-03-2017 02:50PM

All the people that like the travellers can go live with them, preferably on an island far away.

I for one can't stand the sight of them, and for very good reason.

jimgoose · 02-03-2017 02:58PM

tylercheribini wrote: »

So historically majority of settled community have shared the same religion with travellers, same language (barring dialectical differences), same skin colour/physicality and up until 500 years ago, the same genealogy but yet they are a separate ethnicity? I note a distinct lack of cultural artefacts that could be called uniquely traveller too. They do posess some questionable customs/rituals that are seperate to the settled majority but so do some of my neighbours and relatives. I think its dangerous territory to start labelling every subculture a distinct ethnicity. Surely by the afore mentioned criteria the west coast island communities could claim their own ethnic status?

According to the results of a genetic analysis done on 40 travellers at the Royal College of Surgeons in 2011, they are as ethnically distinct from us buffers as Icelanders are from Norwegians.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/health/dna-study-travellers-a-distinct-ethnicity-156324.html

The RCS crowd reckon the travellers split from the mainstream population genetically around a thousand years ago. They have Shelta and Cant languages, but how widely used they are these days, as well as how many current traveller families merely adopted itinerant customs around the time of the Famine, is unclear. The impression I get is while they probably are an ethnic group, not all of them would, strictly speaking, belong to this ethnic group.

whisky_galore · 02-03-2017 03:01PM

FrKurtFahrt wrote: »

I'll say one thing in favour of the Travelling Community. They don't block up the Health Service or hospitals or clinics, at least not in my experience. I've never seen one with a disability, or Down Syndrome (for example), or in a wheelchair, or with a walking-stick or even glasses. I've never seen one who is deformed or seemingly deranged, or blind or suffering from any such ailment.

Why is that?

A friend of mine in the Prison Service had a theory about this, let's just say it wasn't pretty.

JamboMac · 02-03-2017 03:06PM

whisky_galore wrote: »

A friend of mine in the Prison Service had a theory about this, let's just say it wasn't pretty.

I have one also, with their thought on homosexual in their community I can only imagine what happens to anything with a disability. Then again they could just be offloading them onto institutions.

end of the road · 02-03-2017 03:13PM

Gavinz wrote: »

Super.

They're now free to continue their reign of terror on the countries elderly, while being protected from criticism by both the law and the hysterical, permanently offended tossers of the country.

Long live Enda. The absolutely not retarded and pandering glorious leader.

incorrect i'm afraid. but yeah, nothing like a bit of hysterical playing the victim because a group you dislike now have the protection they need,.

Free-2-Flow wrote: »

Do they still have to have tax and insurance on their 2017 Mercedes-Benz?

why wouldn't they? those laws aren't changing. both of those not being on some cars isn't a traveler speciffic issue.

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Vincent browne and SINN FEIN staunchly defend travellers.

That tells me all I need to know.

Sadly this country is heading for a left do Gooder pc, open border policy period.

Hard working honest people are been tossed aside.

wrong, left do gooder pc doesn't exist, apart from in the minds of bigots and racists. actual hard working honest people (i don't mean those who call themselves as such to play the victim in a discussion on people they don't like) but actual honest hard and soft working people aren't being tossed asside.

Dtp1979 wrote: »

It means they can build big houses, drive brand new vans and jeeps, be unemployed and not have to show or explain to anyone (taxman) where they got there money from

it doesn't.

Graces7 · 02-03-2017 03:16PM

JamboMac wrote: »

I have one also, with their thought on homosexual in their community I can only imagine what happens to anything with a disability. Then again they could just be offloading them onto institutions.

ANYTHING?

This kind of post was entirely sadly predictable. Shameful.

Does anyone know what the ethnic Traveller Status statement actually means?

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