Does anyone know what the ethnic Traveller Status statement actually means?

Spanish Eyes

I'm just a bit puzzled by this impending statement by Enda Kenny, being delivered shortly.

Does it change any law, does it change the Constitution?

Does anyone know. Information is thin on the ground really AFAIS.

Thanks.

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Ted111

They're not all a different race. You can't tar them all with the one brush.

Cee-Jay-Cee

Ted111 wrote: »

They're not all a different race. You can't tar them all with the one brush.

But you can tar most of them...

Hande hoche!

Any good to you?

http://www.paveepoint.ie/a-historic-day-for-irish-travellers/

judeboy101

More money for them, special treatment for social services and the rest of us better start walking on eggshells around them.

Odyssey 2005

judeboy101 wrote: »

More money for them, special treatment for social services and the rest of us better start walking on eggshells around them.

In a nutshell!

Jim Bob Scratcher

judeboy101 wrote: »

More money for them, special treatment for social services and the rest of us better start walking on eggshells around them.

Hasn't that always been the case

Agricola

I bought a packet of gloves off a fella 2 years ago and he keeps coming back to try to sell me tools. Can I keep telling him to fúck off or is that against the law now?

fiachr_a

There will now be a degree course for students with 190 LC points called Traveller Studies.

secman

They are now to be referred to as "NIT 's "
Native irish travellers.

Surprised they didn't tease it out !

judeboy101

Jim Bob Scratcher wrote: »

Hasn't that always been the case

They can now access bucketloads of European money and now euro law can be used against government if they don't respect all aspects of their culture.

Galwayguy35

Martin Collins was on the radio comparing it to the passing of the vote on gay marriage.

I pity any barman trying to deal with rowdy travellers from tomorrow on, look at them sideways and they will shout racism.

Maybe now that they are classed as ethnically different we won't have to fund their lifestyle anymore...

me_irl

Adding "Irish Traveller" to a drop down menu.

touts

For the average traveller living in a halting site it'll mean very little. They already have most of the rights they think this will give them.

But the lads in Pavee Point have hit the jackpot.

fiachr_a

Ireland's some country, we can't integrate our Travellers or Northern Loyalists yet expect to integrate refugees.

andekwarhola

People are confusing race with ethnicity.

Actually have no issue with the ethnic designation per se as I'm sure it has validity in its own right.

The only issue I'd have is that it's being offered as a token sop that's going to be used to justify or gloss over (as opposed to addressing and helping) the pretty glaring social issues in the traveller community.

ScumLord

Travellers did have a culture that's been pretty much eradicated by the modern world. My mother said that people used to like seeing the travellers come to town because they had stuff to sell and were able to fix just about anything. This would have been back before transport was so accessible and people had little money to be buying new things, not that shops had much choice of things to buy even if you did have the money.

The problem is they can never go back to that, that niche is gone. They have no reason to move from town to town because people can just drive themselves. We don't repair things anymore we just buy a new one. They could preserve what skills are left but they won't make a living at it.

Ronin247

This is an historic day for all travellets in the country. There will now be official recognition that the travelling people have a seperate genetic make-up although they are and will continue to be Irish.

Travellers will now have to be given a voice in the Dail and be allowed to raise their own taxes and fund their own social welfare budgets from the taxes raised from all working travellers and all vehicle tax raised from travellers will fund the housing programs specifically for this important ethnic minority..... I hope.

SEPT 23 1989

Hande hoche! wrote: »

Any good to you?

http://www.paveepoint.ie/a-historic-day-for-irish-travellers/

So they won't be "normalised "or "civilised " by the state anymore

This wont be forgotten Kenny

andekwarhola

ScumLord wrote: »

Travellers did have a culture that's been pretty much eradicated by the modern world. My mother said that people used to like seeing the travellers come to town because they had stuff to sell and were able to fix just about anything. This would have been back before transport was so accessible and people had little money to be buying new things, not that shops had much choice of things to buy even if you did have the money.

The problem is they can never go back to that, that niche is gone. They have no reason to move from town to town because people can just drive themselves. We don't repair things anymore we just buy a new one. They could preserve what skills are left but they won't make a living at it.

Spot on.

The whole shebang is predicated on a lifestyle and culture that has long ceased to be viable and that ironically now requires the settled community to simultaneously bankroll and tolerate it while trapping its young people into a future of heightened rates of poverty, low educational attainment and social issues.

aujopimur

Will they wear special badges?.

lawred2

ScumLord wrote: »

Travellers did have a culture that's been pretty much eradicated by the modern world. My mother said that people used to like seeing the travellers come to town because they had stuff to sell and were able to fix just about anything. This would have been back before transport was so accessible and people had little money to be buying new things, not that shops had much choice of things to buy even if you did have the money.

The problem is they can never go back to that, that niche is gone. They have no reason to move from town to town because people can just drive themselves. We don't repair things anymore we just buy a new one. They could preserve what skills are left but they won't make a living at it.

Was that the 1920s?

lawred2

Enda is expected to follow up today's historical announcement with a further one recognising the ethnicity of Corkonians.

gctest50

ScumLord wrote: »

.......... My mother said that people used to like seeing the travellers come to town because they had stuff to sell and were able to fix just about anything.

.......The problem is they can never go back to that, that niche is gone. ......

I think they were supressed by pavee point and a few more

- they would have evolved their skills - they'd be the travelling computer parts sales / repair people ( remember how crap computers were a few years back ) , phone sales/ repair , car rechipping , anything like that

but nope, held down by pavee point and friends

Kristopherus

fiachr_a wrote: »

Ireland's some country, we can't integrate our Travellers or Northern Loyalists yet expect to integrate refugees.

Neither cohort has made any effort to integrate with us:(.

lawred2

gctest50 wrote: »

I think they were supressed by pavee point and a few more

- they would have evolved their skills - they'd be the travelling computer parts sales / repair people ( remember how crap computers were a few years back ) , phone sales/ repair , car rechipping , anything like that

but nope, held down by pavee point and friends

They did evolve. Into criminality and welfare fraud.

jelutong

What rights are available to the settled community that are denied to travellers?

The Specialist

Delighted they got ethnic status, maybe some nice lad can come along now and give them a good ethnic cleansing.

1 day ban

lazybones32

No doubt there'll be some block of EU funding made available to help their ethnicity be more widely known and accepted and to promote their culture.

maryishere

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

I'm just a bit puzzled by this impending statement by Enda Kenny, being delivered shortly.

Does it change any law,

Wonder will it mean that 1% of job vacancies in eg McDonalds, Tesco, Dunnes etc will now have to be given to them?

McLoughlin

I don't think they are an ethnic group they are just irish people that at one point began to live a different way and travellers refuse to modernise and they want society to pay for them yet they don't want to contribute anything to society.

The one issue that concerns me is the travellers believe they have a freedom to go where ever they want so will they have a legal right to trespass ?