Does anyone know what the ethnic Traveller Status statement actually means?

Spanish Eyes

I'm just a bit puzzled by this impending statement by Enda Kenny, being delivered shortly.

Does it change any law, does it change the Constitution?

Does anyone know. Information is thin on the ground really AFAIS.

Thanks.

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Ted111

They're not all a different race. You can't tar them all with the one brush.

Cee-Jay-Cee

Ted111 wrote: »

They're not all a different race. You can't tar them all with the one brush.

But you can tar most of them...

Hande hoche!

Any good to you?

http://www.paveepoint.ie/a-historic-day-for-irish-travellers/

judeboy101

More money for them, special treatment for social services and the rest of us better start walking on eggshells around them.

Odyssey 2005

judeboy101 wrote: »

More money for them, special treatment for social services and the rest of us better start walking on eggshells around them.

In a nutshell!

Jim Bob Scratcher

judeboy101 wrote: »

More money for them, special treatment for social services and the rest of us better start walking on eggshells around them.

Hasn't that always been the case

Agricola

I bought a packet of gloves off a fella 2 years ago and he keeps coming back to try to sell me tools. Can I keep telling him to fúck off or is that against the law now?

fiachr_a

There will now be a degree course for students with 190 LC points called Traveller Studies.

secman

They are now to be referred to as "NIT 's "
Native irish travellers.

Surprised they didn't tease it out !

judeboy101

Jim Bob Scratcher wrote: »

Hasn't that always been the case

They can now access bucketloads of European money and now euro law can be used against government if they don't respect all aspects of their culture.

Galwayguy35

Martin Collins was on the radio comparing it to the passing of the vote on gay marriage.

I pity any barman trying to deal with rowdy travellers from tomorrow on, look at them sideways and they will shout racism.

Maybe now that they are classed as ethnically different we won't have to fund their lifestyle anymore...

me_irl

Adding "Irish Traveller" to a drop down menu.

touts

For the average traveller living in a halting site it'll mean very little. They already have most of the rights they think this will give them.

But the lads in Pavee Point have hit the jackpot.

fiachr_a

Ireland's some country, we can't integrate our Travellers or Northern Loyalists yet expect to integrate refugees.

andekwarhola

People are confusing race with ethnicity.

Actually have no issue with the ethnic designation per se as I'm sure it has validity in its own right.

The only issue I'd have is that it's being offered as a token sop that's going to be used to justify or gloss over (as opposed to addressing and helping) the pretty glaring social issues in the traveller community.

ScumLord

Travellers did have a culture that's been pretty much eradicated by the modern world. My mother said that people used to like seeing the travellers come to town because they had stuff to sell and were able to fix just about anything. This would have been back before transport was so accessible and people had little money to be buying new things, not that shops had much choice of things to buy even if you did have the money.

The problem is they can never go back to that, that niche is gone. They have no reason to move from town to town because people can just drive themselves. We don't repair things anymore we just buy a new one. They could preserve what skills are left but they won't make a living at it.

Ronin247

This is an historic day for all travellets in the country. There will now be official recognition that the travelling people have a seperate genetic make-up although they are and will continue to be Irish.

Travellers will now have to be given a voice in the Dail and be allowed to raise their own taxes and fund their own social welfare budgets from the taxes raised from all working travellers and all vehicle tax raised from travellers will fund the housing programs specifically for this important ethnic minority..... I hope.

SEPT 23 1989

Hande hoche! wrote: »

Any good to you?

http://www.paveepoint.ie/a-historic-day-for-irish-travellers/

So they won't be "normalised "or "civilised " by the state anymore

This wont be forgotten Kenny

andekwarhola

ScumLord wrote: »

Travellers did have a culture that's been pretty much eradicated by the modern world. My mother said that people used to like seeing the travellers come to town because they had stuff to sell and were able to fix just about anything. This would have been back before transport was so accessible and people had little money to be buying new things, not that shops had much choice of things to buy even if you did have the money.

The problem is they can never go back to that, that niche is gone. They have no reason to move from town to town because people can just drive themselves. We don't repair things anymore we just buy a new one. They could preserve what skills are left but they won't make a living at it.

Spot on.

The whole shebang is predicated on a lifestyle and culture that has long ceased to be viable and that ironically now requires the settled community to simultaneously bankroll and tolerate it while trapping its young people into a future of heightened rates of poverty, low educational attainment and social issues.

aujopimur

Will they wear special badges?.

lawred2

ScumLord wrote: »

Travellers did have a culture that's been pretty much eradicated by the modern world. My mother said that people used to like seeing the travellers come to town because they had stuff to sell and were able to fix just about anything. This would have been back before transport was so accessible and people had little money to be buying new things, not that shops had much choice of things to buy even if you did have the money.

The problem is they can never go back to that, that niche is gone. They have no reason to move from town to town because people can just drive themselves. We don't repair things anymore we just buy a new one. They could preserve what skills are left but they won't make a living at it.

Was that the 1920s?

lawred2

Enda is expected to follow up today's historical announcement with a further one recognising the ethnicity of Corkonians.

gctest50

ScumLord wrote: »

.......... My mother said that people used to like seeing the travellers come to town because they had stuff to sell and were able to fix just about anything.

.......The problem is they can never go back to that, that niche is gone. ......

I think they were supressed by pavee point and a few more

- they would have evolved their skills - they'd be the travelling computer parts sales / repair people ( remember how crap computers were a few years back ) , phone sales/ repair , car rechipping , anything like that

but nope, held down by pavee point and friends

Kristopherus

fiachr_a wrote: »

Ireland's some country, we can't integrate our Travellers or Northern Loyalists yet expect to integrate refugees.

Neither cohort has made any effort to integrate with us:(.

lawred2

gctest50 wrote: »

I think they were supressed by pavee point and a few more

- they would have evolved their skills - they'd be the travelling computer parts sales / repair people ( remember how crap computers were a few years back ) , phone sales/ repair , car rechipping , anything like that

but nope, held down by pavee point and friends

They did evolve. Into criminality and welfare fraud.

jelutong

What rights are available to the settled community that are denied to travellers?

The Specialist

Delighted they got ethnic status, maybe some nice lad can come along now and give them a good ethnic cleansing.

1 day ban

lazybones32

No doubt there'll be some block of EU funding made available to help their ethnicity be more widely known and accepted and to promote their culture.

maryishere

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

I'm just a bit puzzled by this impending statement by Enda Kenny, being delivered shortly.

Does it change any law,

Wonder will it mean that 1% of job vacancies in eg McDonalds, Tesco, Dunnes etc will now have to be given to them?

McLoughlin

I don't think they are an ethnic group they are just irish people that at one point began to live a different way and travellers refuse to modernise and they want society to pay for them yet they don't want to contribute anything to society.

The one issue that concerns me is the travellers believe they have a freedom to go where ever they want so will they have a legal right to trespass ?

Barry Badrinath

Will they start paying tax and obey the laws of the land now that they have "equality"?

Better not hold my breath.

ScumLord

lawred2 wrote: »

Was that the 1920s?

1950s. I remember a traveler coming to our house with those coal scuttles when I was a kid.

lawred2

Senor Fancy Pants wrote: »

Will they start paying tax and obey the laws of the land now that they have "equality"?

Better not hold my breath.

They always had equality..

Barry Badrinath

lawred2 wrote: »

They always had equality..

I'm just echo'ing Pavee point.

Sleeper12

Galwayguy35 wrote:

I pity any barman trying to deal with rowdy travellers from tomorrow on, look at them sideways and they will shout racism.

Ethnicity isn't a race.
I can see everyone finds it all very humorous but we were the laughing stock of Europe. We were the only country in the EU not to recognize them as an ethnic group. People might not be happy about it but 27 different countries came to this belief separately so there must be something to it.

humberklog

That Pavee Point needs a good toe up the hole.

Sue Pa Key Pa

I'm done, they've won. This is is going to be the biggest gamechanger to society in Ireland for decades to come. God help us all

dd972

98% of them are in the UK so have never understood the paranoia about them or why they're such a conversational hobby horse.

jelutong

maryishere wrote: »

Wonder will it mean that 1% of job vacancies in eg McDonalds, Tesco, Dunnes etc will now have to be given to them?

Plenty experience in takeaways.

Spanish Eyes

But what law can be invoked to settle any claim by Travellers following this "Ethnic Statement" does anyone know?

I think in my bunker that the UN said we must give them ethnic status, and Enda Kenny said OK, and may be off there soon anyway when he resigns.

Top line on the Enda Kenny cv list for the UN gig, LOL.

omega man

The stats on traveller education, employment and health are shocking (assume criminality too). Their 'Ethnicity' plays no part in that. Politicians and the media etc. conveniently ignore this.

Spanish Eyes

omega man wrote: »

The stats on traveller education, employment and health are shocking (assume criminality too). Their 'Ethnicity' plays no part in that. Politicians and the media etc. conveniently ignore this.

Is that shocking because Travellers do not partake, or because there is insufficient resources?

You can take a horse to water......

omega man

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Is that shocking because Travellers do not partake, or because there is insufficient resources?

You can take a horse to water......

It's not resources. Clearer??!!

Sleeper12

Sleeper12 wrote: »

We were the only country in the EU not to recognize them as an ethnic group.People might not be happy about it but 27 different countries came to this belief separately so there must be something to it.

This may or may not be true. If true that is very understandable as they are Irish Travellers and those 27 countries are presumably not Ireland. Claiming people with surnames like Ward/Mac an Bhaird, Connors/ Ó Conchúir, Joyce/Seoige, McDonagh/Mac Donncha and so forth are not "ethnically" as Irish as the rest of the Irish population has never seemed plausible to me.

To me, their socio-economic tradition is that of the spailpín fánach class of itinerant labourers that goes back to the Cromwellian plantations in the 1650s. But their ethnicity has always been Irish.

thomasm

They are now entitled to services consistent with their culture according to local TD. Stables all around then ...

Spanish Eyes

Deleted User wrote: »

This may or may not be true. If true that is very understandable as they are Irish Travellers and those 27 countries are presumably not Ireland. Claiming people with surnames like Ward/Mac an Bhaird, Connors/ Ó Conchúir, Joyce/Seoige, McDonagh/Mac Donncha and so forth are not "ethnically" as Irish as the rest of the Irish population has never seemed plausible to me.

To me, their socio-economic tradition is that of the spailpín fánach class of itinerant labourers that goes back to the Cromwellian plantations in the 1650s. But their ethnicity has always been Irish.

Indeed. Just because some decided to wander around they now seem to have more rights than I have!

Anyway, I have learned something tonight. Grainne and her sister are Joyces.

Never knew that.

Spanish Eyes

thomasm wrote: »

They are now entitled to services consistent with their culture according to local TD. Stables all around then ...

I still do not know what law, regulation or whatever changes anything to do with ethnic status of Travellers after Kenny's statement. It is a mystery!

NIMAN

I listened to several radio reports today, from politicians to spokes people for travellers, to travellers themselves, and not one mentioned the elephant in the room.

Lot of talk about their culture, their history, their rights etc.......

Berserker

The biggest difference will be that anti-Traveller discrimination, in any form, will be understood as racism. Also, more funding will be made available to the community and budget cutbacks will be reversed. Traveller accommodation and education funding was cut by 80% in the 2008 budget, for example. Those cutbacks are not consistent with other groups in the country.

Sam Kade

McLoughlin wrote: »

I don't think they are an ethnic group they are just irish people that at one point began to live a different way and travellers refuse to modernise and they want society to pay for them yet they don't want to contribute anything to society.

The one issue that concerns me is the travellers believe they have a freedom to go where ever they want so will they have a legal right to trespass ?

Nonsense, they are nomads that came from Europe in the 1500's. If you put a traveller in with a group of 100 settled Irish people the majority of people could point him out.