Does anyone know what the ethnic Traveller Status statement actually means?

tomwaterford

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

All hardman talk. Its sad that our local community had to resort to firing gunshots into the sky at 5am in the morning for it to calm down.

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There's the problem.....perhaps for once they shouldve aimed lower??
(Joke for all those who don't understand scarcasm)


On a more serious note....though it is amazing there hasn't been more killings like the nally case

Johngoose

Johngoose wrote: »

Does anybody here socialise with or talk to travellers at least once a month?I don't think you can defend them as a race unless you genuinely interact with them.

So once a month is "genuine interaction". And you can't "defend" (whatever that means), say, Jewish people, unless you talk to them once a month?

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Did anyone mention Hitler yet?







Hhhhhhhhhhitler

Johngoose

[Deleted User] wrote: »

So once a month is "genuine interaction". And you can't "defend" (whatever that means), say, Jewish people, unless you talk to them once a month?

Id just be interested in the level of interaction people who defend travellers have had with the travelling community.Easy to defend travellers from your IMac in Ballsbridge.

tomwaterford

Johngoose wrote: »

Does anybody here socialise with or talk to travellers at least once a month?I don't think you can defend them as a race unless you genuinely interact with them.

I/place i used interact fairly regularly with them...most days a week


Developed a strange dislike for people who eat biscuits in hiaces....usually any you see at that are pure bad....even looked down on by other travellers


There's noone hates travellers more than fellow travellers. ...when they fall out...man do they fall out

Johngoose

Johngoose wrote: »

Id just be interested in the level of interaction people who defend travellers have had with the travelling community.Easy to defend travellers from your IMac in Ballsbridge.

Ah the old "how many dealings" point, as raised again and again and again? I said it before, I've had 53 dealings with them. Where is that on your interaction levels chart?

Johngoose

tomwaterford wrote: »

I/place i used interact fairly regularly with them...most days a week


Developed a strange dislike for people who eat biscuits in hiaces....usually any you see at that are pure bad....even looked down on by other travellers


There's noone hates travellers more than fellow travellers. ...when they fall out...man do they fall out

At last somebody who has at least spoken to Irish Travellers!:-)

Johngoose

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Ah the old "how many dealings" point, as raised again and again and again? I said it before, I've had 53 dealings with them. Where is that on your interaction levels chart?

And how do you find them? You have spoken to them 54 times,you have better insight than somebody who has never met an Irish Traveller.Your views mean more to me now.

tomwaterford

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Ah the old "how many dealings" point, as raised again and again and again? I said it before, I've had 53 dealings with them. Where is that on your interaction levels chart?

53 dealings over (taking 74 as you YOB) is roughly 1.27 interactions a year??

They call roughly 2-3 a month to the father....but he have the worst of them cleared/deosnt interact with the scummy ones

Wheeliebin30

Vincent browne and SINN FEIN staunchly defend travellers.

That tells me all I need to know.

Sadly this country is heading for a left do Gooder pc, open border policy period.

Hard working honest people are been tossed aside.

tomwaterford

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Vincent browne and SINN FEIN staunchly defend travellers.

That tells me all I need to know.

Sadly this country is heading for a left do Gooder pc, open border policy period.

Hard working honest people are been tossed aside.

FG can hardly be described as left do gooders?

Johngoose

Who here would campaign for an Irish Traveller halting site to be opened up in their area?Genuine question.

Wheeliebin30

tomwaterford wrote: »

FG can hardly be described as left do gooders?

Do they advocate open borders?

Haven't seen a fg detailed policy on travellers but here's sinn feins.

Every party jumping on it.

http://www.sinnfein.ie/contents/37016

"Sinn Féin President Gerry Adams this morning launched Sinn Féin’s Private Members Motion for next week in the Dáil which addresses the discrimination and marginalisation of Travellers in Irish society.

The motion was agreed in conjunction with Traveller support groups."

tomwaterford

Johngoose wrote: »

Who here would campaign for an Irish Traveller halting site to be opened up in their area?Genuine question.

If any caught stealing etc could be evicted


Id have no bother with one opening. ...but I know many travellers what won't live on halting sites...if they have kids as they want to keep them outta trouble?

tomwaterford

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Do they advocate open borders?

Haven't seen a fg policy on travellers but here's sinn feins.

http://www.sinnfein.ie/contents/37016

Sinn Féin President Gerry Adams this morning launched Sinn Féin’s Private Members Motion for next week in the Dáil which addresses the discrimination and marginalisation of Travellers in Irish society.

The motion was agreed in conjunction with Traveller support groups.

Well FG have awarded them special rights afaik



But I fear your getting confused with the traveller headline....it's referring to Ireland's itinerant population and not people who travel country to country so has no effect on borders??

Johngoose

Johngoose wrote: »

And how do you find them? You have spoken to them 54 times,you have better insight than somebody who has never met an Irish Traveller.Your views mean more to me now.

Just like people in every other walk of life, a mix of the grand and the not so grand.

Despite the oppression and discrimination as pointed to in report after report from various international organisations complaining about how we treat them - most recently saying we denied them basic human rights. Despite their usual treatment being evidenced in the most popular post on this thread, one calling for them to be ethnically cleansed. Despite their complete alienation, issues with health, education, suicide rates off the scale and so on, I found many of them to be fine out.

Johngoose

tomwaterford wrote: »

If any caught stealing etc could be evicted


Id have no bother with one opening. ...but I know many travellers what won't live on halting sites...if they have kids as they want to keep them outta trouble?

So are you saying halting site = trouble?

Dtp1979

It means they can build big houses, drive brand new vans and jeeps, be unemployed and not have to show or explain to anyone (taxman) where they got there money from

Wheeliebin30

Dtp1979 wrote: »

It means they can build big houses, drive brand new vans and jeeps, be unemployed and not have to show or explain to anyone (taxman) where they got there money from

As a self employed person this makes me sick.

Revenue will let me away with nothing, not even a late vat payment. A letter will be straight out with a warning.

Unbelievable.

tomwaterford

Johngoose wrote: »

So are you saying halting site = trouble?

As it stands....youd want to be some breed of a moran to conclude otherwise


As travellers can't get others evicted off a halting site relatively easily....they are understandably intimidEd and most reasonable ones are forced off of halting sites....from my limited understanding of it


The criminals within are left get away with stuff....

Essentially because the relationship between the gaurds and travellers is so shte....

Who have the reasonable to go to....to alivite disputes and why you see relatively small instances build up and up into all out fueds



But all this is a chicken and egg scenario....they'll not go to the gaurds,the gaurds will come in hard on them to try get info
There is alot to be said for youth outreach programs....as the adults will hardly change now?

Sleeper12

endacl wrote:

You do have your own written language?

Being dyslexic no I don't have a written language that another dyslexic person can understand. It's not a language another dyslexic person can read. Dyslexia is different from person to person. My sons dyslexia is maths based. I ask him how to spell things

Wheeliebin30

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

As a self employed person this makes me sick.

Revenue will let me away with nothing, not even a late vat payment. A letter will be straight out with a warning.

Unbelievable.

Ach, what makes me sicker is the fellows who owe fortunes, left banks and creditors hanging, holding on to the big cars and big houses. I've paid a lot more of my taxes covering their Mercs...

munster87

The way that Leicester City treated Ranieri I'm delighted the tinkerman is getting his due rights

suicide_circus

Illiterate nomadic cultures are under threat by modernity worldwide. To what extent the rest of society should expend time and resources to prop up these cultures is questionable but arguably the onus is on those communities to maintain their own relevance and promote their own integration. Minorities should be supported and protected but ultimately it must be those minorities who make the lions share of the effort.

Sleeper12

dr.fuzzenstein wrote:

Yeah, bring back Bertie, the country was booming under him.

It was booming under his leadership. Booming a little too much was the problem but it certainly boomed.

El_Duderino 09

gctest50 wrote:

I think they were supressed by pavee point and a few more

We're they held down by Pavee Point? How so?

The_Kew_Tour

Deleted User wrote: »

Just like people in every other walk of life, a mix of the grand and the not so grand.

Despite the oppression and discrimination as pointed to in report after report from various international organisations complaining about how we treat them - most recently saying we denied them basic human rights. Despite their usual treatment being evidenced in the most popular post on this thread, one calling for them to be ethnically cleansed. Despite their complete alienation, issues with health, education, suicide rates off the scale and so on, I found many of them to be fine out.

Spare us.

Maybe if they acted like Normal Human beings instead of looking to bet innocent people, steal from the ordinary man and not look to kick people who mind their own business then you will get respect and the lack of discrimination you deserve.

Most of them would take your eyeballs out if they could.

the 12th Of July in Buttevant every year makes the orange order on same day look great.

Sleeper12

suicide_circus wrote:

Illiterate nomadic cultures are under threat by modernity worldwide. To what extent the rest of society should expend time and resources to prop up these cultures is questionable but arguably the onus is on those communities to maintain their own relevance and promote their own integration. Minorities should be supported and protected but ultimately it must be those minorities who make the lions share of the effort.

There are tribes in various parts of the world that are illiterate. Tribes that have never seen the modern world. These are also ethnic groups and government's have deliberately left them alone rather than destroy their uniqueness. Obviously these tribes can't be protected forever.

Galwayguy35

Sam Kade wrote: »

Can you explain the reason they look so different to settled Irish people if they came from settled Irish people?

Going around in hot pants in January and fake tan and heels when going to the shop will always make someone stand out a bit more.

Samaris

Mod: Much like the last almost identical thread on travellers, this one is also getting out of hand and generating multiple reports for obnoxiousness.

If posters can lay off the following, this thread has an improved chance of survival, because at the moment, it's pretty nasty.

- Calling for ethnic cleansing of a population (it is amazing that this has to be stated - again.)
- Calling them knackers (or any other pejorative name, including "scum" etcetera)
- Applying of general stereotypes to an entire subsect of the population.
- Back and forth sniping