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  • #4502
    Former Former
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,728 ✭✭✭Former Former


    PetKing wrote: »
    Your opinion was going well until that last line there. Agree with what he did or not, saying it was for attention or his ego is nonsense.

    Fair enough. Speculation on my part.

    Doesn't make what he did any less wrong.


  • #4503
    Wang Kerr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 361 ✭✭Wang Kerr


    Quinlan is going to get some flak for this at the moment, but if it even helps somebody stop and think about the realities of the situation and look for help, then it's a good result.
    If you look at all the tweets and newspaper reports, it's non suspicious circumstances, and personal tragedy....And then suicide helpline numbers underneath..... Haven't really looked at twitter, but Quad Cooper was the only other one I saw that even alluded to it.... Bringing suicide out into the open is something that we need, no hiding behind carefully worded soundbites imo


  • #4504
    Wang Kerr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 361 ✭✭Wang Kerr


    Former Former wrote: »
    Fair enough. Speculation on my part.

    Doesn't make what he did any less wrong.

    In your opinion only,


  • #4505
    thomond2006
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭thomond2006


    It would be irresponsible for the press to report a cause of death until it's been confirmed. I'm mixed on Quinlan's tweet to be honest.


  • #4506
    sydthebeat
    Subscribers Posts: 43,246 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    If it takes being disrespectful to try to battle the stigma this country had with suicide, in my option it's worth it.


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  • #4507
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    sydthebeat wrote: »
    If it takes being disrespectful to try to battle the stigma this country had with suicide, in my option it's worth it.

    And what if it wasn't an intentional suicide? Or accidental death as it would be ruled?

    The mans memory would be forever associated with it being suicide.


  • #4508
    Wang Kerr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 361 ✭✭Wang Kerr


    Stheno wrote: »
    And what if it wasn't an intentional suicide? Or accidental death as it would be ruled?

    The mans memory would be forever associated with it being suicide.

    What has that got to do with an Irishman tweeting?... Perhaps you should direct that question to the Aussie papers carrying the story and then putting suicide helpline numbers under the story....


  • #4509
    irishbucsfan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    Wang Kerr wrote: »
    What has that got to do with an Irishman tweeting?... Perhaps you should direct that question to the Aussie papers carrying the story and then putting suicide helpline numbers under the story....

    You mean the papers who specifically don't say it was suicide for the reasons outline above?


  • #4510
    Wang Kerr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 361 ✭✭Wang Kerr


    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    You mean the papers who specifically don't say it was suicide for the reasons outline above?

    But put all the suicide helpline numbers below the story....ala "nudge, nudge, wink, wink"


  • #4511
    Wang Kerr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 361 ✭✭Wang Kerr


    I'm out of this now, I'm sure there's not one of us here who hasn't been touched by suicide, and thats the thing that hits me the most....It's not a subject I'm going to argue about with anyone, doesn't do me any good


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  • #4512
    irishbucsfan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    Wang Kerr wrote: »
    But put all the suicide helpline numbers below the story....ala "nudge, nudge, wink, wink"

    No one would have a problem if Quinlan just shared helpline numbers. To claim it's the same as what he did is missing the point entirely, their indirectness is the appropriate way to handle the story until rumours become fact.


  • #4513
    Former Former
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,728 ✭✭✭Former Former


    sydthebeat wrote: »
    If it takes being disrespectful to try to battle the stigma this country had with suicide, in my option it's worth it.

    Easy to say when it's Dan Vickerman, a person about whom most of us hadn't even thought in a few years and even fewer of us have any real interest in.

    So think about this.

    In the immediate aftermath of Anthony Foley's death, plenty of people on Twitter were speculating on the cause of his death with #mentalhealth, #ruok and other such bollocks.

    Were they correct to do so because it started a conversation?

    Or were they completely out of line because the poor bastard died of a heart attack?

    I'll go with the latter. You?


  • #4514
    pickarooney
    Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 36,111 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    connemara man wrote: »
    It shouldn't be reported as suicide at all it should be depression. In the same way you wouldn't say a cancer patient died of infection you shouldn't say that a person with depression passed away due to suicide.

    Not all suicides are linked to depression though.


  • #4515
    errlloyd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,634 ✭✭✭✭errlloyd


    pickarooney wrote: »
    Not all suicides are linked to depression though.

    Yeah. That's a funny one, obviously often if a suicide is caused by depression someone might know - but sometimes suicides are a complete mystery.


  • #4516
    sydthebeat
    Subscribers Posts: 43,246 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    Former Former wrote: »
    Easy to say when it's Dan Vickerman, a person about whom most of us hadn't even thought in a few years and even fewer of us have any real interest in.

    So think about this.

    In the immediate aftermath of Anthony Foley's death, plenty of people on Twitter were speculating on the cause of his death with #mentalhealth, #ruok and other such bollocks.

    Were they correct to do so because it started a conversation?

    Or were they completely out of line because the poor bastard died of a heart attack?

    I'll go with the latter. You?

    If it's some ex player half a world away in Australia, I wouldn't really give it a second thought to be honest, life's way too short.....


  • #4517
    stephen_n
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,920 ✭✭✭✭stephen_n


    errlloyd wrote: »
    Yeah. That's a funny one, obviously often if a suicide is caused by depression someone might know - but sometimes suicides are a complete mystery.

    That also opens up how we sypmtomise depression. People have their own ideas about what it is to be depressed and what it looks like. Often people who are deeply depressed are experts at hiding it.


  • #4518
    irishbucsfan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    I'm flying into a 104mph headwind at the moment over the Rocky Mountains and I can still argue with people on the internet. How far we've come.


  • #4519
    pickarooney
    Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 36,111 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    People commit suicide for all kinds of reasons and sometimes for no real reason at all.

    People in incurable, unbearable physical pain
    People motivated by a higher purpose (suicide bombers, monks self-immolating ...)
    People who have been caught out and can't face the impending fallout
    Honour suicides
    Accidental suicides
    ...


  • #4520
    molloyjh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,767 ✭✭✭✭molloyjh


    Can someone explain to me exactly how telling people that a stranger on the other side of the world committed suicide is a proactive thing here? Surely we can talk openly about suicide without the need to invade on someone else's privacy to do it.

    It reminds me of a comment on the gay rugby players thread about how some rugby players should come out as being gay for other people. What business is it of anyone else's what goes on in someone else's private life? If they chose to share it then fair enough, but if they want their private lives to remain private are we simply incapable of giving them that?

    Alan Quinlan has absolutely no right to "break" this news about someone else. None at all. He can talk openly about suicide without ever invading someone else's privacy. This is going way too far, and is made worse by the fact that he raced to get this out at a time when people are still grieving. They may never see or know about his tweet, and I hope they don't. But if they have or do imagine the pain that it would inflict!?

    We've been having the mental health and suicide conversation for a while now without needing to do this. While Quinny may have been coming from a positive place this tweet was completely out of line and massively insensitive to what the family are going through. I'm very disappointed in him.


  • #4521
    thebaz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,883 ✭✭✭✭thebaz


    does Quinny know for sure ?

    The guy had 2 young children , so it does matter - think Quinny meant it in a good way , but unless he knows for sure and has the family consent he should not have tweeted to the world.

    Coming from someone who has lost one of my best friends to suicide, and suffered depression too.


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  • #4522
    DGRulz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,232 ✭✭✭DGRulz


    Saw rumours doing the rounds online, that the Monk's been shot in Spain.


  • #4523
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    DGRulz wrote: »
    Saw rumours doing the rounds online, that the Monk's been shot in Spain.

    OH said the same to me, he saw it on Reddit.


  • #4524
    DGRulz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,232 ✭✭✭DGRulz


    Stheno wrote: »
    OH said the same to me, he saw it on Reddit.

    As did I. Comments on that thread saying is and isn't true.


  • #4525
    CatFromHue
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,341 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatFromHue


    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    I'm flying into a 104mph headwind at the moment over the Rocky Mountains and I can still argue with people on the internet. How far we've come.

    I guess Superman is human after all :pac:


  • #4526
    irishbucsfan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    CatFromHue wrote: »
    I guess Superman is human after all :pac:

    Up to 167mph now. If I'm not on here arguing about something this time tomorrow send help to Nevada


  • #4527
    mfceiling
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,003 ✭✭✭✭mfceiling


    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    I'm flying into a 104mph headwind at the moment over the Rocky Mountains and I can still argue with people on the internet. How far we've come.

    I think this is the greatest ever post in the rugby forum and one of the top 5 posts I've ever read on boards. Well done IBF.


  • #4528
    Zzippy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,166 ✭✭✭✭Zzippy


    I lost a friend to suicide in 2015. Gutted. Shocked. Numbed I guess. The family embraced the fact... didn't try to hide it, no stigma, just a cause of death. We have no idea if DV'S family are the same, but maybe Quinny does. He has been very honest about his own struggles with depression. These things need to be talked about openly. Criticising someone for doing so is harking back to that stigma. Fvck that. Mental health needs to be out in the open, not hushed up because someone is dead. I understand the argument, I just think open discussion is so much healthier and necessary.

    RIP Dan.


  • #4529
    irishbucsfan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    mfceiling wrote: »
    I think this is the greatest ever post in the rugby forum and one of the top 5 posts I've ever read on boards. Well done IBF.

    Actually I had a look and techincally my best post was this one. While yours was rather better in my own opinion.


  • #4530
    mansize
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,521 ✭✭✭✭mansize


    Reporting of suicide leads to greater risk of others doing the same as it gives them the "strength" to follow suite. Samaritans have a detailed guide on reporting suicide in the media, but speculation helps no one.

    http://www.samaritans.org/media-centre/media-guidelines-reporting-suicide


    They know more about it than most


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  • #4531
    mfceiling
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,003 ✭✭✭✭mfceiling


    I fell down the stairs this morning. Think I might have broken my middle toe. I'll keep you all informed of this horrendous situation.


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