Official Conor McGregor thread (part 3) *Updated Warning in 1st Post Re:Boxing match

red ears · 19-02-2017 09:22PM

mdwexford wrote: »

How is taking on tougher opposition a cop out.

Sure it's holding up the division and arguably devaluing the belt but it's certainly not a cop out or easy option.

Losing to gsp wouldn't be a big deal. Losing the defense of his belt would be a very big deal.

Offthewildride · 19-02-2017 09:24PM

Oh come on. GSP would destroy Conor. GSP has this passion for training which Conor does not have.

Compare their two instagrans for instance

Depp · 19-02-2017 09:25PM

Offthewildride wrote: »

Oh come on. GSP would destroy Conor. GSP has this passion for training which Conor does not have.

Compare their two instagrans for instance

not sure if this is serious?

mdwexford · 19-02-2017 09:44PM

red ears wrote: »

Losing to gsp wouldn't be a big deal. Losing the defense of his belt would be a very big deal.

Losing to anyone ain't good.

As regards still having a big title fight even if he loses to Georges it's good financially. Still not a cop out moving up weight to fight the greatest fighter of all time.

Offthewildride · 19-02-2017 09:49PM

Depp wrote: »

not sure if this is serious?

Conor cares more about his image. Which is his right.

GSP is an animal, would wrestle Conor and tap him out at ease. GSP is an elite level fighter

Depp · 19-02-2017 10:01PM

Offthewildride wrote: »

Conor cares more about his image. Which is his right.

GSP is an animal, would wrestle Conor and tap him out at ease. GSP is an elite level fighter

so because conor ''cares about his image'' he isnt an ''elite'' fighter...

dont be ridiculous

Offthewildride · 19-02-2017 10:16PM

Depp wrote: »

so because conor ''cares about his image'' he isnt an ''elite'' fighter...

dont be ridiculous

Conor is a good fighter, not an elite fighter.

Easy Rod · 19-02-2017 10:27PM

Offthewildride wrote: »

Conor is a good fighter, not an elite fighter.

Ha.

Offthewildride · 19-02-2017 10:41PM

Easy Rod wrote: »

Ha.

When has Conor ever submitted or wrestled someone?

He is far too reliant on one attribute to be considered elite.

Gamebred · 19-02-2017 10:47PM

Offthewildride wrote: »

When has Conor ever submitted or wrestled someone?

He is far too reliant on one attribute to be considered elite.

I know your fishing but he won his first world title via submission.

mdwexford · 19-02-2017 11:33PM

Offthewildride wrote: »

Conor is a good fighter, not an elite fighter.

Lol

Edit - just realised this is the glass chin guy. Moving on.

EagererBeaver · 19-02-2017 11:34PM

callaway92 wrote: »

It would be the biggest selling UFC PPV of all time easily. 2 Million + buys.

I wouldn't be so sure about 2 million buys. UFC 205 was supposed to be a cert to do 2 million and only pulled in 1.3m.

wonderfullife · 20-02-2017 12:56AM

EagererBeaver wrote: »

I wouldn't be so sure about 2 million buys. UFC 205 was supposed to be a cert to do 2 million and only pulled in 1.3m.

It was also 4 days after Donald got elected and roughly 140 million Americans were contemplating sitting in their car, putting on Radioheads greatest hits and lodging a brick in their exhaust pipe.

I don't think it'd have done 2 million, in hindsight, but I do believe a lot of people decided to get blind drunk instead of buying the PPV. I could see it having done 1.5m - 1.7m in any other month.

Mellor · 20-02-2017 01:16AM

red ears wrote: »

He hasn't defended any of his belts yet and that is not acceptable.

He only has one belt, it's been less than 4 month. That's a normal time frame.
Cormier has defended since November 2015.

ScumLord wrote: »

I wonder are they pulling GSP out of retirement to tempt McGregor back to MMA?

They (the UFC) aren't pulling GSP out of retirement. They have no control over that tbh.
GSP indicated his desire to return a long time ago, his retirement was only ever really a hiatus. He's been in contract negotiations for the best part of a year.

bmcc10 wrote: »

Is GSP really that much of a draw against Conor? Most of the McGregors fans would not have seen GSP before don't really think makes much of a diffrence who he fights,

GSP isn't there to draw in the McGregor fans, who'll tune in for Conor. He's there to draw in the GSP fans. Same reason Nate Diaz pulled in more than Aldo vrs Conor, different fanbase.

GSP was a huge draw in Canada back in the day. Sold out huge venues instantly.

Mellor · 20-02-2017 02:16AM

callaway92 wrote: »

It would be the biggest selling UFC PPV of all time easily. 2 Million + buys.

It probably would be 2million buys. Biggest PPV of all time.

But Conor vrs 155 challenger does and easy 1.5 million buys,
And GSP vrs Anyone does easy 1 million buys.

Splitting McGregor and GSP onto separate PPVs does more buys than loading them onto one card and following up with a weak PPV somewhere.

bmcc10 · 20-02-2017 03:58AM

Offthewildride wrote: »

When has Conor ever submitted or wrestled someone?

He is far too reliant on one attribute to be considered elite.

That's complete bulls**t tbh

hewhoscares · 20-02-2017 10:48AM

Mellor wrote: »

callaway92 wrote: »

It would be the biggest selling UFC PPV of all time easily. 2 Million + buys.

It probably would be 2million buys. Biggest PPV of all time.

But Conor vrs 155 challenger does and easy 1.5 million buys,
And GSP vrs Anyone does easy 1 million buys.

Splitting McGregor and GSP onto separate PPVs does more buys than loading them onto one card and following up with a weak PPV somewhere.

Conor Vs Anyone does 1.5m buys - easily? he didn't even sell that many in his last fight
GSP does over 1m easily? he's only ever sold over 1m when piggybacked with Brock Lesnar and his fanbase.

And the whole PPV buy rate you lot take as golden is bull****. The Meltzer guy's forecasts have been proven to be inaccurate, the buyer document passed around when Zuffa where selling had actual true recent numbers - Meltzer had to adjust his recent figures to the tune of a couple of hundred thousand. The same as he had to when Overeem went to court and the true PPV numbers came out for his Lesnar fight.

Thats not to belittle McGregor as he's obviously a draw. But his numbers are greatly exaggerated on here.A fight with Mayweather would be huge, but don't get ahead of ourselves - no way does it make the anywhere near same money as the Pac fight.

Its Floyds way of keeping himself in the limelight and the nearest McGregor has to leverage with the UFC.

Tazzimus · 20-02-2017 11:07AM

Offthewildride wrote: »

Oh come on. GSP would destroy Conor. GSP has this passion for training which Conor does not have.

Compare their two instagrans for instance

I always choose Instagram as an accurate depiction of an athletes eliteness and a diary of their training sessions.

Probably the most reliable source really.

Mellor · 20-02-2017 12:46PM

hewhoscares wrote: »

Conor Vs Anyone does 1.5m buys - easily? he didn't even sell that many in his last fight
GSP does over 1m easily? he's only ever sold over 1m when piggybacked with Brock Lesnar and his fanbase.

Well numbers aren't officially released, so nobody knows for sure. But including online ppvs, international pics, and USA numbers it probably made 1.5m. But ho knows?

GSP's return us a considerably more anticipated fight than a random GSP defense a few years ago.

I never mentioned Meltzer btw. I think GI I he's mostly guessing.

Thats not to belittle McGregor as he's obviously a draw. But his numbers are greatly exaggerated on here.A fight with Mayweather would be huge, but don't get ahead of ourselves - no way does it make the anywhere near same money as the Pac fight.

What are you talking about? Who said it would break the Pac fight record, or anything about that fight

What was that, 4m? Not a hope. It would be one of the top fights, but not the top fight, imo.

Those official documents you mentioned showed Conor contributed 1/4 of the UFC income for 2015. And Forbes estimated this rose to 50% in 2016 with 4.Xm Buys.
The rest of the UFC did about the same. Boxing did a lot less. Both McGregor and Mayweather are outliers.

callaway92 · 20-02-2017 06:07PM

For anyone that hasn't seen it, McGregor's Ariel Helwani interview is going to be on 3e on Wednesday night.

Wheeliebin30 · 20-02-2017 06:10PM

callaway92 wrote: »

For anyone that hasn't seen it, McGregor's Ariel Helwani interview is going to be on 3e on Wednesday night.

I'd advise not to bother and that's coming from a big admirer.

ScumLord · 20-02-2017 06:19PM

Offthewildride wrote: »

When has Conor ever submitted or wrestled someone?

That time he busted his knee during a fight, he fell back on wrestling/grappling and still won.

Mellor wrote: »

They (the UFC) aren't pulling GSP out of retirement. They have no control over that tbh.
GSP indicated his desire to return a long time ago, his retirement was only ever really a hiatus. He's been in contract negotiations for the best part of a year.

True enough, but it's a bit of a coincidence he's coming back now, when Conors running around off the leash picking fights with people not even practicing the same sport as him. Maybe UFC made him an offer he couldn't refuse?

hewhoscares wrote: »

Conor Vs Anyone does 1.5m buys - easily? he didn't even sell that many in his last fight
GSP does over 1m easily? he's only ever sold over 1m when piggybacked with Brock Lesnar and his fanbase.

To be fair UFC is in a different league now than it was while GSP was fighting, there's more money and viewers now.

Django99 · 20-02-2017 08:14PM

There's not much to suggest UFC has any more viewers now than it did when GSP was around, aside from McGregor fights. PPVs seem to be doing much the same, Fox viewers slightly increasing.

Viewership is apparently dropping off in Brazil though which was probably the 3rd biggest market they had at the time.

Django99 · 20-02-2017 11:00PM

Freddie roach on the MMA hour said he thinks Floyd fight will happen. Floyd told him he wants to do it.

Now all we have to do is wait a few years for negotiations, mentioning each other on social media etc.

Mellor · 20-02-2017 11:03PM

Django99 wrote: »

There's not much to suggest UFC has any more viewers now than it did when GSP was around, aside from McGregor fights. PPVs seem to be doing much the same,

PPVs are stable or only slightly up but viewers probably higher as more people as streaming (legally and illegally) these days.

wonderfullife · 20-02-2017 11:09PM

Django99 wrote: »

There's not much to suggest UFC has any more viewers now than it did when GSP was around, aside from McGregor fights. PPVs seem to be doing much the same, Fox viewers slightly increasing.

Viewership is apparently dropping off in Brazil though which was probably the 3rd biggest market they had at the time.

It's really hard to say.

But I took a look through the (Average) ratings for UFC on Fox cards for 2013/early 2014.

UFC on Fox 7 - 3.4m (Dan Hendo)
UFC on Fox 8 - 2.6m
UFC on Fox 9 - 2.4m
UFC on Fox 10 - 2.5m

Then 2016

UFC on Fox 18 - 2.4m
UFC on Fox 19 - 2.4m
UFC on Fox 20 - 3.0m (Holly Holm)
UFC on Fox 21 - 1.9m (lowest ever - Maia v Condit)
UFC on Fox 22 - 3.2m (PVZ).

It's hard to draw conclusions from small samples.

However, it seems clear that the audience has not grown much and that women's MMA seems to be going from strength to strength (ratings wise). That's borne out by the impressive numbers Ronda put up before New Years Eve, and by Holly and Paige doing so well, which I honestly didn't anticipate.

Here's the thing though, when they re-ran UFC 206 on Xmas Eve it did an average of 4.7m viewers for a banging card. That's a massive number.

To me that indicates if they put on PPV worthy cards free-to-air then their fan base might actually be far bigger than at first glance and far bigger than it was in 2013.

I suspect they will try to air a replay of a Conor McGregor card on Xmas Eve 2017 on Fox (assuming he fights this year). They'll want to get a HUGE ratings number in the locker to go to war with when the negotiations for TV-rights-deals loom large.

TL;DR - Their fanbase is likely a lot bigger than it was in 2013 and they'll likely have more women headline UFC on Fox cards going forwards.

Gamebred · 20-02-2017 11:17PM

Fans obsessing over ppv numbers is weird, who gives a **** lads the company is a joke god knows what fights they will make pissing in the wind trying to guess and wasting time posting about it and past ppv buy rates.

finglashoop · 20-02-2017 11:48PM

Gamebred wrote: »

Fans obsessing over ppv numbers is weird, who gives a **** lads the company is a joke god knows what fights they will make pissing in the wind trying to guess and wasting time posting about it and past ppv buy rates.

I agree. Viewers purses ppv points . Im interested in fights being made to move fighters up the rankings and the rankings being a meritocracy. Both of which are clearly not ufc way of thinking.

On the point of re running cards to boost numbers - surely fox will point out that would be the outlier and can point to viewers of live events.

wonderfullife · 21-02-2017 12:23AM

Gamebred wrote: »

Fans obsessing over ppv numbers is weird,

Really? :rolleyes:

Gamebred wrote:

RDA has headlined 1 ppv,it also had overeem,hendricks,cejudo and joanna on the card and it done 310k buys that is truly shocking

Gamebred wrote: »

The Cm Punk freakshow done 450k or something decent which is good in todays climate, .....

Gamebred wrote: »

Holloway would be a great fight to make after he gets past Aldo, he is a proven draw too didnt 206 do good numbers ppv wise?

Gamebred wrote: »

Was the replay on Christmas eve or day I was thinking about, they replayed 206 and the numbers were crazy I remember reading, different thing that ppv buy but a lot seen Holloway then can only be positive.

Gamebred wrote: »

How many ppv's will this stunt sell compared to how much it annoys the number 1 star?

Gamebred wrote:

I presume nobody will want to get on any of the ppv's now before 200 so 198 and 199 will be out of the question surely,I cant see Conor fighting until ufc 200 tbh.

Gamebred wrote:

It wouldnt surprise me if he fought Conor tbh it would be financial malpractice from everyone involved to not try get it done,him **** talking george would do nearly 2m ppv buys surely.

Gamebred wrote: »

Funny how on the day this card was ''easily'' beating every single record accord to Dana including ppv trends and as the battle with Conor begins its changed to ''one of the highest ppv's ever'' ie not the the record.

Gamebred wrote: »

*SENSEI Portal

The auld ppv final push right there good work from all involved wwe ****.

Gamebred wrote: »

When people are discussing the ppv pull its relevant to point out what I have experienced from casual bandwagon viewers, these people are the ones buying ppv's there isnt 1 million mma fans tuning into these ppvs, ....

Gamebred wrote: »

If you tuned into Diaz McGregor 2.... it was the most watched MMA fight ever according to ppv numbers so the UFC will profit from that on one hand yet strip him on the other they cant have it both ways.

Gamebred wrote: »

The only thing the celeb's will be getting out of having a share is probably comped tickets no chance of any sort of return any time soon, he should ask for bigger ppv percentage.

Gamebred wrote: »

if shes ko'd Conors position gets bigger hes the only fighter with them ppv numbers and the public know on the roster.

scudzilla · 21-02-2017 12:25AM

wonderfullife wrote: »

Really? :rolleyes:

Someone just got owned :pac::pac::pac:

Official Conor McGregor thread (part 3) *Updated Warning in 1st Post Re:Boxing match

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