Official Conor McGregor thread (part 3) *Updated Warning in 1st Post Re:Boxing match

Gamebred

Date the last one for me there wonder, its a waste of time the new ufc owners are a law to themselves, this week alone the people they let go says it all they havent a notion, and I admit to wasting numberous posts talking ppv numbers in the past its a lesson learned try learn from my lesson your going around in circles.

wonderfullife

Gamebred wrote: »

Date the last one for me there wonder, its a waste of time the new ufc owners are a law to themselves, this week alone the people they let go says it all they havent a notion, and I admit to wasting numberous posts talking ppv numbers in the past its a lesson learned try learn from my lesson your going around in circles.

100% disagree.

I think it's normal in all sports to talk about numbers whether it's salary or viewership.

Whether it's Zlatans £300,000 a week, Conor's $15 million a fight or the viewing figures between ITV and BBC during Euros or peak viewership of Wimbledon or average attendances at a Munster pro12 match or a UFC of Fox card rating.

I don't see why it's weird to see how your team or your sport is doing. Is it growing or shrinking? Good times or bad times? Is that player worth the money or that fighter worth his purse?

I agree we can get too wrapped up in numbers but I don't think it's weird at all. I guarantee you every single regular poster on this thread has discussed Conor's PPV numbers and salary over the last few years.

Gamebred

Yeah they have me you and everyone included, its getting boring now is what I mean, its gone so stale it has led people to discuss it, its gone full sports entertainment if and when Maia and Romero get overpassed because they arent ppv ''stars'' I will snap.

wonderfullife

Gamebred wrote: »

Yeah they have me you and everyone included, its getting boring now is what I mean, its gone so stale it has led people to discuss it, its gone full sports entertainment if and when Maia and Romero get overpassed because they arent ppv ''stars'' I will snap.

But the (sad) truth is Maia headlined the lowest rated UFC on Fox Card EVER.

That matters to the UFC, even before WME/IMG bought them out.

And let's be real, Maia v Condit was a cracking fight on paper too.

So I honestly think Nick Diaz and GSP would get unjust title shots ahead of Maia and Romero and that's just business. It's silly to pretend UFC is a traditional sport, it's prize fighting sold as a "league" with rankings decided by journalists and matches decided (broadly) by 3 men - Sean Shelby, Mick Maynard and Dana White.

Gamebred

wonderfullife wrote: »

But the (sad) truth is Maia headlined the lowest rated UFC on Fox Card EVER.

That matters to the UFC, even before WME/IMG bought them out.

And let's be real, Maia v Condit was a cracking fight on paper too.

So I honestly think Nick Diaz and GSP would get unjust title shots ahead of Maia and Romero and that's just business. It's silly to pretend UFC is a traditional sport, it's prize fighting sold as a "league" with rankings decided by journalists and matches decided (broadly) by 3 men - Sean Shelby, Mick Maynard and Dana White.

I know its a not a legit sport where contenders get deserved shots, its gone even worse in the last while with the interim joke belts, Maia should be fighting for the strap next so should Romero no question about it but everyone can tell the pair them are going to be ****ed off royally somehow as a purist it sickens me,

But again I probably take some blame because I tune in no matter what fights they give us so I suppose im part of the problem,


Its a joke how they use the rankings when it suits them ie negotiating contracts and then throw them out the window to make some crazy matches.

wonderfullife

Gamebred wrote: »

I know its a not a legit sport where contenders get deserved shots, its gone even worse in the last while with the interim joke belts, Maia should be fighting for the strap next so should Romero no question about it but everyone can tell the pair them are going to be ****ed off royally somehow as a purist it sickens me,

But again I probably take some blame because I tune in no matter what fights they give us so I suppose im part of the problem,


Its a joke how they use the rankings when it suits them ie negotiating contracts and then throw them out the window to make some crazy matches.

The way it works is simple enough:

1. Conor fights whoever he wants from 145 to 170.
2. GSP fights whoever he wants 170 to 185
3. Everyone else cross your fingers.

Django99

I have a little more hope than the above, I think Maia and Romero will both get a shot within a year.

185- think Romero will get the shot in May/June. Reports say GSP won't have a fight till September or later. They need to have a PPV once every 6 weeks or so, and they need to have title fights on the PPVs (unless 2 big stars fight, but they all want title fights now too). I would go as far to say I would be surprised if Romero doesn't fight Bisping before GSP fights at all.

170- McGregor could throw a spanner in the works here but I'm not sure he will. Financially it's probably worth it for him to spend a year or even more trying to get the Floyd fight, which would dwarf any UFC fight he could have in terms of pay (co-promotion etc.). So whoever wins at 209 will defend against a real contender again in 2017. Could be GSP or Nick Diaz admittedly, but Maia would be willing to fight quite soon I imagine. The other two will have more patience I think and wait until a fight that suits them better appears.

Mellor

He has you there Gamebred! :pac: :pac: :pac:

dave1982

Ive no interest whatsoever in GSP v Conor

krustycustomer

Why are ratings measured in PPV's? Doesn't sound like they consider how much they cost? Or do they all cost the same? Would assume the top fighters cost more to watch, less PPV's but more profit made. Hard to rate fighters and cards as it takes years to know how much each card makes overall but PPV doesnt seem accurate.

AlmightyCushion

krustycustomer wrote: »

Why are ratings measured in PPV's? Doesn't sound like they consider how much they cost? Or do they all cost the same? Would assume the top fighters cost more to watch, less PPV's but more profit made. Hard to rate fighters and cards as it takes years to know how much each card makes overall but PPV doesnt seem accurate.

The PPVs all cost the same.

Mellor

krustycustomer wrote: »

Why are ratings measured in PPV's? Doesn't sound like they consider how much they cost? Or do they all cost the same? Would assume the top fighters cost more to watch, less PPV's but more profit made. Hard to rate fighters and cards as it takes years to know how much each card makes overall but PPV doesnt seem accurate.

Not sure why you think it take years to know how much a card made.

Inviere

dave1982 wrote: »

Ive no interest whatsoever in GSP v Conor

It certainly beats Mayweather v McGregor...

dashoonage

I reckon GSP would take mayweather...

Lukker-

GSP vs Nate is a high possibility for the first fight. Either at 155 or 170. Opens the door to fighting Conor in the second fight. GSP has a clause in his new contract that he gets to pick his first 2 fights. Freddie Roach was instrumental in getting the UFC and GSP to sit down and organize everything. Roach has also said GSP is his primary focus now and that he'll be cornering him when he comes back.

VW 1

Lukker- wrote:

GSP vs Nate is a high possibility for the first fight. Either at 155 or 170.

Doesn't gsp struggle to make 170 never mind 155?

Gamebred

Nates too big for 170 now hes a monster wants to fight at 205lb the mac life report.

martyos121

VW 1 wrote: »

Doesn't gsp struggle to make 170 never mind 155?

No he makes it relatively easily. He says he can make 155 and I believe him, but I think he'll remain at welterweight or go up.

Lukker-

VW 1 wrote: »

Doesn't gsp struggle to make 170 never mind 155?

No, he walks around at like 185, 180 in shape. He was big back in the day but the meta has changed and guys tend to cut more weight now.

Dana said he could come back between 155-185. That's most likely just honeydicking for the Conor fight.

I do think it'd be silly for him to fight at 155, given that he's older now and has been at 170 his entire life.

Roach might of had a slip of the tongue on the MMAhour and said GSP is preparing for the rematch, so that might indicate Nick Diaz

Either Diaz bro vs GSP is probably the biggest fight that they can make in the absence of Conor and I think it's most likely.

JohnMc1

wonderfullife wrote: »

I think the far bigger issue with Ronda is that women's MMA evolved past her. When she was the dominant force it was partly because women's MMA was so new, lacked talent, lacked depth and her brute strength and clinical Judo was enough.

It's why I've been so encouraged to see the likes of Kayla Harrison and Helen Maroulis both say they will be taking time to develop MMA skills before contemplating setting foot in a cage. They both realize their Olympic-Gold-Level Judo and Wrestling won't be enough to guarantee success.

Whereas 5 years ago, I think it's fair to say either of them could have gone straight into the UFC and been immediately competitive.

What I'm trying to say is that Ronda being aloof and unlikeable was only highlighted by the fact she got starched twice in a row. If Conor had lost back-to-back against Nate and got choked out both times, there's a chance a similar backlash would have occurred.

The wheels started fall off for Ronda's popularity when she did TUF. She was completely insufferable. Just a complete bitch the whole time. Blackadder and Shafir's antics didn't help either.

If Conor lost back to back against Nate via choke at the time he wouldn't have gotten as much backlash since he still seemed to know when to turn the act off. Now on the other hand is a different story. People would really enjoy it seeing him choked out twice. Much like with Ronda's back to back KO losses it would have been seen Karma finally catching up to him.

Lukker-

JohnMc1 wrote: »

If Conor lost back to back against Nate via choke at the time he wouldn't have gotten as much backlash since he still seemed to know when to turn the act off. Now on the other hand is a different story. People would really enjoy it seeing him choked out twice. Much like with Ronda's back to back KO losses it would have been seen Karma finally catching up to him.

She was still a massive draw vs Nunes, so people's opinions may have changed on her but they still tuned in. It would be the same for Conor. Except the criticism doesn't bother him. He's always been the most polarizing fighter anyways. Judging by his 10m Instagram followers, people aren't that put off him yet. People tend to go by the meta on /r/mma and sherdog too much, mostly hardcore fans who's opinions are usually much more extreme than the casuals who tune in for the big PPV's to watch the stars.

Mellor

VW 1 wrote: »

Doesn't gsp struggle to make 170 never mind 155?

I don't think he ever had trouble. The tendency was for people to cut more since he's been away. However the IV ban should have wound that he that slightly.

I can't see him fighting at 185 against the top guys (Yoel Sized :eek:). He might book a fight at 185 vrs a 170er where they agree not to cut weight (like Nick Diaz).

He'll most likely be at 170 imo. Maia v GSP is a fight I never released I wanted to see until now.

He's in the latter half of his 30s now. Cutting to 155 is not what he needs imo.
That said it's not nearly as impossible as people are suggesting. He won't be cutting from near 190 down to 155. Dropping divisions means dropping fat AND muscle - which isn't difficult when you are training full time.

VW 1

I guess my thought on his struggle to drop to 170 were around the fact that he used an IV to rehydrate, hence thinking he couldn't have gotten to 155 even a few years ago when he was younger and it would have been easier to drop.

Excited to see how they match him up though, there's a serious amount of talent in that 170 division.

JoeyJJ

GSP was a suana guy to lose water, I wonder will the IV ban have a negative affect, not on the getting down however the recovery.

Mellor

VW 1 wrote: »

I guess my thought on his struggle to drop to 170 were around the fact that he used an IV to rehydrate, hence thinking he couldn't have gotten to 155 even a few years ago when he was younger and it would have been easier to drop.

Using an IV isn't really indicative of a struggle, it's just a good way to rehydrate. Even with a normal cut, it made sense to take the option when it was allowed.

He could have easily got to 155. Just not from the same size he was cutting to WW from. GSP was always know to be meticulous, if he wanted to get to 155, he had breezed it.

Outlaw Pete

Tired of all the speculation. Hope this all gets some genuine traction soon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1Rh-aqzb78

dashoonage

Has the MacLife F.A.S.T died completely or what? I was expecting it to be promoted highly .

ERG89

They are showing his interview in Manchester with Ariel Helwani on BT Sports 1 tonight at 10. Not going watching but said I'd post it here if anyone is interested.

Ash.J.Williams

is khabib out of the way now? ferguson next for conor?

Call Me Jimmy

he won't be getting out of bed for anything less than a superfight imo