Waterford GAA Discussion Thread 3 Updated Mod Note Post 1

ThaiTanic · 19-02-2017 06:49PM

seananigans wrote: »

we lost by 21 points to the same opposition not so long ago, the same team that bet kk by half time in an ai final ,get over yourself . we were in it until the goal and luck swung against us, not to mention we hunted for the goal instead of picking off points we could have sided up 1 -3 points off if we wanted to , not forgetting aussie was completely off form, but glad to see we were level ten times without him.

yes, but there was 2 involved on the ground no one saw who started it, you cant punish one without punishing the other equally, and since he didn't see anything to give 2 reds, the only sensible option was to give 2 yellows

Bet Kilkenny in an All Ireland semi at half time? Are you serious hahaha, jesus your laughable to be counting half time results to try and back up your point! Any interference with a helmet is a red simple it's in black and white, number 5 didn't interfere with aussies helmet, should have been a red and a yellow by the rules. We were never going to win today and as Eamon Dunphy said during the week when I saw Bubbles coming on I went to the back of the stand and rang the bookies haha.

Dick phelan · 19-02-2017 06:54PM

Very poor today from a lot of the players, TDB was outstanding same with Connors, Aussie was very poor today hit some awful wides, personally think he's wasted playing Full Forward, Biggest take away from today is sadly we do not have the depth of squad i thought wee might, Non of the fringe players showed anything today to suggest they should play first team, We badly missed the Brick and Barron we won little or no dirty ball which is exactly what the two lads do very well. Forwards were very poor we rely too much on Mahony to get the scores was the same last week as well. We badly need to beat Dublin now, a defeat and we're right in the fight to stay up and with Galway loosing today and looking like another year in 1B we really need to keep ourselves out of danger.

mickmackey1 · 19-02-2017 07:01PM

Maybe we can all chip in a few shillings and buy the Waterford Co board a lawnmower

seananigans · 19-02-2017 07:03PM

ThaiTanic wrote: »

Bet Kilkenny in an All Ireland semi at half time? Are you serious hahaha, jesus your laughable to be counting half time results to try and back up your point! Any interference with a helmet is a red simple it's in black and white, number 5 didn't interfere with aussies helmet, should have been a red and a yellow by the rules. We were never going to win today and as Eamon Dunphy said during the week when I saw Bubbles coming on I went to the back of the stand and rang the bookies haha.

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all ireland final not semi, youre not so good with facts are you?

yes any unprovoked interference, how do we know he didnt grab it on the way down to stop from falling , did you see it? did you see that aussies wasnt grabbed, because the camera and the linesman and the ref didnt see it, the umpires didnt signal to share what they saw, 2 yellows the fairest result

thesultan · 19-02-2017 07:07PM

deisechap09 wrote: »

Nothing delusional about it or swallowing of pride needed. As mentioned, you were correct about the players you highlighted. All 3 are good players, just not good enough at intercounty level. They deserved to get a chance and have now proven they arent championship options. End of.

Re Mcgrath, I think everyone agrees we need to show some proper progress this year for him to be kept in the job. If we go out and get bet by Tipp in the same fashion as we have the last 2 years then it is probably time to go.

What we need to do is play three in the full forward line not two or one with everyone else in midfield or further back

ThaiTanic · 19-02-2017 07:07PM

seananigans wrote: »

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all ireland final not semi, youre not so good with facts are you?

yes any unprovoked interference, how do we know he didnt grab it on the way down to stop from falling , did you see it? did you see that aussies wasnt grabbed, because the camera and the linesman and the ref didnt see it, the umpires didnt signal to share what they saw, 2 yellows the fairest result

Your good with your English when you clearly say semi in your last post,

Yes you can clearly see it on the TV I recorded the game and watched it back there. Dosent matter about been provoked or unproveked, I don't see anything in the rules in brackets saying 'ah sher if he's provoked it's only a yellow'

You need to get your own facts right before making a fool out of yourself

ThaiTanic · 19-02-2017 07:11PM

seananigans wrote: »

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all ireland final not semi, youre not so good with facts are you?

yes any unprovoked interference, how do we know he didnt grab it on the way down to stop from falling , did you see it? did you see that aussies wasnt grabbed, because the camera and the linesman and the ref didnt see it, the umpires didnt signal to share what they saw, 2 yellows the fairest result

Also edit away your previous posts, you won't look as stupid

Deise Gael · 19-02-2017 07:13PM

seananigans wrote: »

we lost by 21 points to the same opposition not so long ago, the same team that bet kk by half time in an ai final ,get over yourself . we were in it until the goal and luck swung against us, not to mention we hunted for the goal instead of picking off points we could have sided up 1 -3 points off if we wanted to , not forgetting aussie was completely off form, but glad to see we were level ten times without him.

Sorry now but that is awful rubbish.

Basically, we got another lesson today from Tipp and this time in our own back yard. Half a Tipp team btw with little or nothing done.

For all this talk of Derek's systems and tactical nous Tipp were happy enough to pick us off from distance today. At no stage did we look like winning this match.

Not one of our forwards made any impact from play. We are nearly totally reliant on Paudie Mahony's frees to get scores.

For those on about Jake Dillon getting his chance, my God how many chances does he need to get. The whole county knows that himself and Gavin O'Brien wouldn't be near an inter county panel if Derek McGrath wasn't involved. McNulty deserved his chance but he was very poor.

Iggy, the full back line and TdeB were the only lads up to the standard today.

It's one thing getting beaten by a better team, but it's another thing getting beaten and having to watch the sh*te that we are serving up that is supposed to pass for hurling. It was refreshing to watch the other two games in our division.

mountgomery burns · 19-02-2017 07:23PM

Imagine being delighted your own team loses just because you don't like the manager. How pathetic is that?

Christy Browne · 19-02-2017 07:31PM

mountgomery burns wrote: »

Imagine being delighted your own team loses just because you don't like the manager. How pathetic is that?

I don't see anyone celebrating? There's nothing wrong with criticising a performance. Jesus you'd swear McGrath was the messiah.

I don't want him sacked, I think he should be given the year to see how he does and reassess then.

That doesn't mean he's immune to criticism.

fuinneamh · 19-02-2017 07:32PM

Well that was depressing from a game plan perspective.

We have not progressed in the last 2 seasons in our ability to attack with unstructured possession. I don't have a problem with the sweeper as a defensive foundation but you have to attack differently if using it.

For all the ball TDB won, how many times do we end up creating scoring opportunities 45 yards out in a central position? Only twice in the second half did we run it and TDB won a free and we created Bennett's goal chance. Our score creation is terrible cause we strike from too deep without drawing out the oppositions half backs. Tipp exploited this today cause they kept hitting ball down the middle knowing if TDB won it, they'd get it back and they could try again. Any break won by a Tipp forward was in a central location and tapped over. In contrast, Waterford forwards were winning ball out on the wings.

In a nutshell, if Waterford play with this system, minimise the free count and you'll beat them.

Hslaw · 19-02-2017 07:33PM

I dunno what happened us in the second half.
The incident involving aussie happened more or less in front of me. But i didn't see how it started or who was to blame as I followed the ball. But from what I seen the tipp guy more or less had aussie in a choke hold on the ground.

Bad referring today. And im not using that as an excuse for the loss. Tipp seemed to be more fired up

Deise_2012 · 19-02-2017 07:36PM

Really sad stuff here. For those on about squad depth...We still have Maurice Shan, Stephen Bennett, Philip Mahony, Darragh Fives to get a proper run. Brian O'Halloran deserves a chance and we were missing Brick, Jamie Barron and Paddy Curran today...add in Stephen Daniels and SOK...that's a bit of a decent panel isn't it?
For those on about Mcgrath's pets....they deserved a chance, that's what a squad is for. They got it and didn't take it...I don't think we're gonna see much of O'Brien or Dillon again this year...we have plenty of options..
Ye have to remember it's the 19th of Feb...**** hurling **** pitches and so much bull**** talk. I'm not worried if we don't perform in the league this year, if you had to choose to peak in April or in August I think everybody chooses the latter...ye have to give him until the end of the year, why oh why are people looking at him thinking we should be hammering teams out the field by 20 points after 2 games, why show your hand already in February, we're not even half fit yet...Relax lads

TheScoringGoal · 19-02-2017 08:44PM

With the pitch the way it was I'm not sure how much I'd read into it. But McNulty and O' Brien were far from our worst. Iggy was probably our best.

In fairness if fellas are going to criticise after a win they'll definitely love to after a loss.

The blue blaa · 19-02-2017 08:56PM

deisechap09 wrote: »

Re Mcgrath, I think everyone agrees we need to show some proper progress this year for him to be kept in the job. If we go out and get bet by Tipp in the same fashion as we have the last 2 years then it is probably time to go.

Lads Derek McGrath is gone this year regardless of what happens this season.

danganabu · 19-02-2017 08:56PM

TheScoringGoal wrote: »

With the pitch the way it was I'm not sure how much I'd read into it.

You would have to think though that it would have inconvenienced Tipp more than Waterford?

Waterford's style of withdrawing forwards plays completely into Tipp's hands, the likes of James Barry, Paraic Maher and Joe Dwyer deliver quality ball into our forwards and giving them that much time is suicide, McGrath has certainly made progress but he needs to be more versatile and horses for courses etc.

TheScoringGoal · 19-02-2017 09:01PM

danganabu wrote: »

You would have to think though that it would have inconvenienced Tipp more than Waterford?

Waterford's style of withdrawing forwards plays completely into Tipp's hands, the likes of James Barry, Paraic Maher and Joe Dwyer deliver quality ball into our forwards and giving them that much time is suicide, McGrath has certainly made progress but he needs to be more versatile and horses for courses etc.

I see your point but honestly I think it suited nobody. It gives itself to the ball stopping dead and allied to the long grass it meant that there was no hurling allowed. Shane Bennett and Michael Kearney would be two players who it wouldn't have suited at all.

I think the way the game is gone, the days of the mullocker who can't hit the ball is gone at inter county level. Hence a bad pitch doesn't suit any of them. I'll wait a bit later in the year before I assess a team.

Stopitwillya · 19-02-2017 09:08PM

TheScoringGoal wrote: »

With the pitch the way it was I'm not sure how much I'd read into it. But McNulty and O' Brien were far from our worst. Iggy was probably our best.

In fairness if fellas are going to criticise after a win they'll definitely love to after a loss.

McNulty and O' Brien both poor as were a few others. Thing with McNulty and O'Brien is both are not up to intercounty standard and everyone knows it. The likes of Gleeson and Bennett who were also poor today will come good.
If McGrath was to play 3 up front he wouldn't have many people criticising him. But he won't. And unfortunately that doesn't look like changing soon. We will never win an all ireland playing so negatively and we are all sick of getting beaten in semi finals every year.

Fred C Dobbs · 19-02-2017 09:11PM

Just back from the match ; got to see the relations so wasn't a total waste of time. As already commented, this performance was very deflating : pity given the massive crowd (surely more there than the official attendance of 7,000).

Kirwan maintained his reputation as the most annoying referee around ; as for the pitch, the less said the better.

Given the way other results are going so far (although still in February), Tipp deserve to be a very short price to retain the AI.

mickmackmcgoo · 19-02-2017 09:17PM

McGrath was definitely right about Tipp being years ahead of us . They have strength in depth on their panel which no other county has at the moment.
When all our players are available and we can put out our best 15 we arent far off.
Yes it's only the second game of the league on a heavy pitch but the set up of the team would just disillusion you.

Deisegodeo · 19-02-2017 09:36PM

Very disappointing performance from Waterford today. Tipp look to be well ahead of us again. The lack of scoring threat is very disheartening, some dreadful wides today. Some fringe players didnt look up to standard and some important players looked way off the pace.

Hopefully we get good performances and important wins in the next 2 games against Dublin in Croker and Cork at home, we dont want to be dragged into the relegation dogfight, especially with Kilkenny appearing to be in it, and Galway looking like they might not get out of 1B this year.

PTH2009 · 19-02-2017 09:59PM

I'm dreading at the thought we could be coming out of Croke Park in 2 weeks defeated again. Dublin have been known to be hot and cold but there confidence is up after the big win in cork last night, there not scared of us and they will be well aware of our terrible Croke Park record. We need too win up there in 2 weeks or we could be facing a potential relagation battle which could involve Kilkenny

We all knw we will play the sweeper system and the team will be similar to today and last week, McGrath will BS about Dublin being ahead of us, the league is not a true reflection of any team etc. I hope he's not saying too himself 'ah sure 1b will be competitive next year with Galway and Limerick there, so relagation will be OK'

JesusRef · 19-02-2017 10:04PM

The Young Wan wrote: »

Stephen is in UL.

Kieran and Shane are in LIT

JesusRef · 19-02-2017 10:18PM

Tipp are a really big strong team - they seem to have come back as hungry and motivated as any other year when they suffered close defeats to Kilkenny, Success hasn't softened them over the winter this time around.

They simply have better players, especially forwards, then us at the moment, we have some good young players but we have no forward as good as John McGrath, not to mind our young lads matching up to him.

I would like to see Gleeson played centre back and left there, but we are so short of options up front presumably that is why he is up in the forwards again.

Mulbert · 19-02-2017 10:25PM

TheScoringGoal wrote:

I think the way the game is gone, the days of the mullocker who can't hit the ball is gone at inter county level. Hence a bad pitch doesn't suit any of them. I'll wait a bit later in the year before I assess a team.

It would have suited Brick, not that he's a mullocker, but by Jesus can he mullock. " bend over and take the belts".

JesusRef · 19-02-2017 10:29PM

its interesting to look at the success of the Munster counties at minor level over the last ten years - a period when Waterford, Limerick, Tipperary and Clare have been consistently challenging and have had some great contests against each other.

in the last 10 years Munster minor titles have been divided as follows;
Tipp 4 ( 2007,2012, 2015, 2016)
Clare 2 (2010, 2011)
Limerick (2013, 2014)
Waterford 1 (2009)

in that period only two counties from Munster have gone on to win the All-Ireland
Tipp 3 (2007, 2012, 2016)
Waterford 1 (2013)

So even at a time when there has been a resurgence in fortunes of Wat, Lim and Clare - Tipp are still by far the top dogs, it might put our underage successes into a little bit of perspective.

yes we had a great minor and U21 team but the fact of the matter is that we need 4 teams just like it across a decade at those levels to match the likes of Tipp and KK

shamrockvilla · 19-02-2017 11:02PM

Lads, we're being delusional here,Tipperary are a fair bit ahead of us and to be honest how many of our players would start on the strongest Tipperary team?.Also the pitch was shocking, no top class hurling match should be allowed to go ahead on such a poor surface.

PTH2009 · 19-02-2017 11:03PM

QF- We finish 4th- vs Wexford in Walsh Park, 3rd or 2nd- Limerick (Walsh Park) or Galway (Pearse stadium) or 1st- Kerry or Laois

If in a relagation playoff we will have a coin toss for home advantage if we play Kilkenny,Clare or Tipperary, We play Cork or Dublin at home

Still a bit to go before we fix our plans for April 1st/2nd

Hslaw · 19-02-2017 11:08PM

Iggy also made two brilliant saves

Limestone1 · 19-02-2017 11:11PM

JesusRef wrote: »

I would like to see Gleeson played centre back and left there, but we are so short of options up front presumably that is why he is up in the forwards again.

Agree that's where he can dominate games from, when he is fully fit again. We need to find some of those options up front in the league - don't think anybody covered themselves in glory today, maybe Shane Bennett impressed on the battling front though finishing left him down.

Article in todays sunday times about the focus Tipp have put on retaining the all-ireland. Unfortunately it looks like they have learned a few lessons from 2010. We may need to play the championship match in Walsh Park and leave the grass uncut until after it !

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/irish-sport/tough-act-to-follow-pklts9xgg

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