Waterford GAA Discussion Thread 3 Updated Mod Note Post 1

seananigans · 17-02-2017 11:09PM

ThaiTanic wrote: »

Daniels gets the boot for another de la salle man McNulty, Dilion in for Paddy Curran, Jamie Barron not playing over Fitzgibbon, Selectors a Roanmore man isn't he? Trow in Gavin O Brien instead so haha. Go down to Paddy power in the morning and put the mortgage on Tipp at even money. I hate seen Waterford loosing the same as anyone but this is pure madness, anyone who can't see what's going on is blind and will be here crying on Sunday evening. It's laughable really!

wow without even proper spelling or grammar you are able to break down all our problems,without even so much as pointing out the benefits or detriments of players

could it be players are picked on form an ability for the gameplan not based on where your club bias lies

mickmackmcgoo · 17-02-2017 11:11PM

ThaiTanic wrote:

Daniels gets the boot for another de la salle man McNulty, Dilion in for Paddy Curran, Jamie Barron not playing over Fitzgibbon, Selectors a Roanmore man isn't he? Trow in Gavin O Brien instead so haha. Go down to Paddy power in the morning and put the mortgage on Tipp at even money. I hate seen Waterford loosing the same as anyone but this is pure madness, anyone who can't see what's going on is blind and will be here crying on Sunday evening. It's laughable really!

Would you mind sharing with us exactly what you think is going on here. We all love a good conspiracy theory .

TheScoringGoal · 17-02-2017 11:18PM

The only thing I find lauaghable is that some people have already decided that McGrath has had a bad 2017. If we go lose they'll be chanting I told you so (even though we're not exactly laden down with all irelands....) and if we win it will be due to the players and won in spite of McGrath.

We have no right to win a senior all Ireland. We won a minor and an under 21. Plenty other teams had similar recent underage success. The conveyor belt dries up quite a bit after this years under 21 team.

Tipp won the all Ireland last year with the best team since 2012 at least. Their age profile is as young as ours especially if you take out Gleeson from the goal. They're just as open to improvement. Expecting that our improvement will win an all Ireland is naive in my view.

ThaiTanic · 17-02-2017 11:19PM

mickmackmcgoo wrote: »

Would you mind sharing with us exactly what you think is going on here. We all love a good conspiracy theory .

Favouritism towards players from DLS/Roanmoare! Where have you been for the Munster League? Nearly the whole Roanmore panel were involved at some stage this year.

As to the three players starting? Il break it down why I don't think they're good options.

McNulty: One Sided, Weak in the Air, Lacks Pace.

GOB: No confidence in his ability, weak, haven't seen him playing good for Waterford since minor in walsh park.

Dilion: Where to start, shouldn't be near the panel, any person that knows anything about hurling or is involved in Hurling at some level in Waterford will tell you that. Slow, Small, takes an acre to turn, bad distribution, no good in the air. The only positive he brings is accuracy and will tap over easy scores but that dosent cut it at Senior inter County. All he done last year was scored a ball Brick put on a plate for him. There's better forwards playing for junior and intermidate club teams than Dilion.

mickmackmcgoo · 17-02-2017 11:45PM

ThaiTanic wrote:

Favouritism towards players from DLS/Roanmoare! Where have you been for the Munster League? Nearly the whole Roanmore panel were involved at some stage this year.

Gavin O Brien is at least 5 years on the panel so how is he starting deemed to be favouritism? Jake dillon is far better than a junior Hurler. When he was younger he was a prolific scoring forward however he was turned into a different type of player whether that's good or bad is up for opinion. McNulty had been on the panel a few years and what's the problem with him starting? All players on the panel deserve a chance to start and try nail down a position. If we played the same 15 in every match in the league people would be up in arms about not giving players a chance. Your hatred for Mcgrath and Philip Murphy is absolute nonsense as is your knowledge of hurling.

DiscoStew · 17-02-2017 11:49PM

ThaiTanic wrote: »

Daniels gets the boot for another de la salle man McNulty, Dilion in for Paddy Curran, Jamie Barron not playing over Fitzgibbon, Selectors a Roanmore man isn't he? Trow in Gavin O Brien instead so haha. Go down to Paddy power in the morning and put the mortgage on Tipp at even money. I hate seen Waterford loosing the same as anyone but this is pure madness, anyone who can't see what's going on is blind and will be here crying on Sunday evening. It's laughable really!

Replacing Barron with O'Brien due to Fitz commitments would make little sense given Gavin is also on the UCC team? Shane Bennett, Conor Gleeson and Tom Devine also in Fitz action still but not rested? Surely can't be the reason if these changes are accurate.
Probably would be a good idea to leave these lads some recovery time given they played last Sunday and Tuesday and have a big weekend coming up.

DiscoStew · 17-02-2017 11:51PM

ThaiTanic wrote: »

Daniels gets the boot for another de la salle man McNulty, Dilion in for Paddy Curran, Jamie Barron not playing over Fitzgibbon, Selectors a Roanmore man isn't he? Trow in Gavin O Brien instead so haha. Go down to Paddy power in the morning and put the mortgage on Tipp at even money. I hate seen Waterford loosing the same as anyone but this is pure madness, anyone who can't see what's going on is blind and will be here crying on Sunday evening. It's laughable really!

Replacing Barron with O'Brien due to Fitz commitments would make little sense given Gavin is also on the UCC team? Shane Bennett, Conor Gleeson and Tom Devine also in Fitz action still but not rested? Surely can't be the reason if these changes are accurate.
Probably would be a good idea to leave these lads some recovery time given they played last Sunday and Tuesday and have a big weekend coming up.

PTH2009 · 18-02-2017 12:10AM

Can't see us winning with that team tbh

Jamie Barron will be a big loss and the full forward line is weak enough

robopaddy2 · 18-02-2017 12:14AM

OK can someone actually post the staring 15 please? All I'm getting is just grumblings about what clubs the players are from but not a lot of information

PTH2009 · 18-02-2017 12:16AM

1 Ian O'Regan (Mount Sion)
2. Shane Fives (Tourin)
3. Barry Coughlan (Ballygunner)
4. Noel Connors (Passage)
5. Tadhg de Burca (Clashmore / Kinsalebeg)
6. Austin Gleeson (Mount Sion)
7. Shane McNulty (De La Salle)
19. Gavin O'Brien (Roanmore)
9. Conor Gleeson (Fourmilewater)
10. Kevin Moran (De La Salle)
11. Pauric Mahony (Ballygunner)
12. Michael Walsh (Stradbally)
23. Tom Devine (Modeligo)
21. Mikey Kearney (Ballyduff Upper)
15. Jake Dillon (De La Salle)

robopaddy2 · 18-02-2017 12:22AM

PTH2009 wrote: »

1 Ian O'Regan (Mount Sion)
2. Shane Fives (Tourin)
3. Barry Coughlan (Ballygunner)
4. Noel Connors (Passage)
5. Tadhg de Burca (Clashmore / Kinsalebeg)
6. Austin Gleeson (Mount Sion)
7. Shane McNulty (De La Salle)
19. Gavin O'Brien (Roanmore)
9. Conor Gleeson (Fourmilewater)
10. Kevin Moran (De La Salle)
11. Pauric Mahony (Ballygunner)
12. Michael Walsh (Stradbally)
23. Tom Devine (Modeligo)
21. Mikey Kearney (Ballyduff Upper)
15. Jake Dillon (De La Salle)

Thanks Pal.
A couple guys in there I wouldn't rate personally but don't begrudge anyone a chance. In fairness GOB has been knocking around the panel a few years and has never got much of a look in. Its a big opportunity for him on Sunday, if he's made of anything he'll come out all guns blazing bursting to prove himself. That's what having a strong panel is about. Lads fighting for contention. Hope it goes well for him.

ThaiTanic · 18-02-2017 12:24AM

mickmackmcgoo wrote: »

Gavin O Brien is at least 5 years on the panel so how is he starting deemed to be favouritism? Jake dillon is far better than a junior Hurler. When he was younger he was a prolific scoring forward however he was turned into a different type of player whether that's good or bad is up for opinion. McNulty had been on the panel a few years and what's the problem with him starting? All players on the panel deserve a chance to start and try nail down a position. If we played the same 15 in every match in the league people would be up in arms about not giving players a chance. Your hatred for Mcgrath and Philip Murphy is absolute nonsense as is your knowledge of hurling.

We shall see how much nonsense it is come Sunday evening! There's a few seasoned seniors on the current panel not too happy with prefrence towards lads that have hurled for DLS college under McGrath. Wait and see.

Your also correct about lads been on the panel with a few years, the likes of Daniels and them been on the panel on one hand, then on the other you have the likes of willie hassessy who won a minor and u21 all ireland and started on both occasions told they don't want him on the Senior panel, all the current lads on the fringes of making a match day 26 are doing is taking up space denying better younger hurlers the chance to play and come through the ranks.

Also I'd rate a current junior forward Brian O Halloran alot better than Jake Dilion, he might have been good when he played the primary game haha but that dosent always transfer onto senior as is clearly evident today

carter10 · 18-02-2017 12:35AM

manor wrote: »

Lads,

Where can I.buy the Waterford blue hats.

You can't, McGrath has had them all burned and replaced by Red and White ones.

DiscoStew · 18-02-2017 12:43AM

ThaiTanic wrote: »

We shall see how much nonsense it is come Sunday evening! There's a few seasoned seniors on the current panel not too happy with prefrence towards lads that have hurled for DLS college under McGrath. Wait and see.

Your also correct about lads been on the panel with a few years, the likes of Daniels and them been on the panel on one hand, then on the other you have the likes of willie hassessy who won a minor and u21 all ireland and started on both occasions told they don't want him on the Senior panel, all the current lads on the fringes of making a match day 26 are doing is taking up space denying better younger hurlers the chance to play and come through the ranks.

Also I'd rate a current junior forward Brian O Halloran alot better than Jake Dilion, he might have been good when he played the primary game haha but that dosent always transfer onto senior as is clearly evident today

Are Clashmore not intermediate?
I'd say it's a matter of opinion who would be the better of the 2. Both promised much underage and have had limited success at senior. O'Halloran's been disrupted by injuries every year in fairness.

Stopitwillya · 18-02-2017 12:54AM

A lot weaker team what started last week.
These lads that are around the panel 5 or 6 years (Gavin O Brien, McNulty) are not regulars at this stage because they are just not good enough to start intercounty and never will be.
Time to give some of last years under 21s a chance.

DiscoStew · 18-02-2017 01:13AM

PTH2009 wrote: »

1 Ian O'Regan (Mount Sion)
2. Shane Fives (Tourin)
3. Barry Coughlan (Ballygunner)
4. Noel Connors (Passage)
5. Tadhg de Burca (Clashmore / Kinsalebeg)
6. Austin Gleeson (Mount Sion)
7. Shane McNulty (De La Salle)
19. Gavin O'Brien (Roanmore)
9. Conor Gleeson (Fourmilewater)
10. Kevin Moran (De La Salle)
11. Pauric Mahony (Ballygunner)
12. Michael Walsh (Stradbally)
23. Tom Devine (Modeligo)
21. Mikey Kearney (Ballyduff Upper)
15. Jake Dillon (De La Salle)

That would make more sense. Surprised Devine and Conor Gleeson playing but I guess they are trying to nail down starting positions so have to grasp every opportunity they get.
Hopefully see some of Stephen Bennett over the course of the league. What was the nature of his injury? I don't think he played any part in UL's defeat to Carlos IT.
Incidentally, Colin Dunford played very well at midfield in that game according to reports, a man who has completely dropped off the scene. Was he even listed as a sub last weekend?

Deise Gael · 18-02-2017 01:18AM

DiscoStew wrote: »

Hopefully see some of Stephen Bennett over the course of the league. What was the nature of his injury?
/QUOTE]

A recurring elbow injury!

cul beag · 18-02-2017 01:20AM

That Tipp team on Sunday is as weak at they've put out in a long time. Can't see anything but a Waterford win even with the changes we have made. This is McNulty's and O Brien's annual start for their league outing and then it's back to as we were again after that. Hopefully we set down an early marker in the first scrum and push them back over the gain line!

ThaiTanic · 18-02-2017 01:21AM

DiscoStew wrote: »

That would make more sense. Surprised Devine and Conor Gleeson playing but I guess they are trying to nail down starting positions so have to grasp every opportunity they get.
Hopefully see some of Stephen Bennett over the course of the league. What was the nature of his injury? I don't think he played any part in UL's defeat to Carlos IT.
Incidentally, Colin Dunford played very well at midfield in that game according to reports, a man who has completely dropped off the scene. Was he even listed as a sub last weekend?

Yeah he played extremely well marking Tony Kelly, Nothing about it though as he's playing Junior in the West. At this point I think the majority of our players are with UCC and IT Carlow? 9 in total left in the fitzgibbon but I could be open to correction in that?

Ucc
Barron
O Brien
Devine
Gleeson

IT Carlow
Dunford
Harney
Browne
Fagan

LIT
Bennett

TheScoringGoal · 18-02-2017 01:28AM

ThaiTanic wrote: »

Yeah he played extremely well marking Tony Kelly, Nothing about it though as he's playing Junior in the West. At this point I think the majority of our players are with UCC and IT Carlow? 9 in total left in the fitzgibbon but I could be open to correction in that?

Ucc
Barron
O Brien
Devine
Gleeson

IT Carlow
Dunford
Harney
Browne
Fagan

LIT
Bennett

You left out Colm and Shane Roche, either Mark or Gavin O Brien and either Kieran or Shane Bennett.

ThaiTanic · 18-02-2017 01:33AM

TheScoringGoal wrote: »

You left out Colm and Shane Roche, either Mark or Gavin O Brien and either Kieran or Shane Bennett.

Mark o Brien, and Shane Bennett, I think Kieran might be full back there too with LIT not too sure though, I know pat Bennett their father is involved in the management with Davy fitz up there and Kieran was there last year. All western lads bar Mark O Brien and Fagan if you count him.

deisechap09 · 18-02-2017 01:39AM

Stopitwillya wrote: »

A lot weaker team what started last week.
These lads that are around the panel 5 or 6 years (Gavin O Brien, McNulty) are not regulars at this stage because they are just not good enough to start intercounty and never will be.
Time to give some of last years under 21s a chance.

I agree with this in that new guys need to come in, but your statement is nonsense. Mcnulty is 23 and you are ruling him out. Look i agree these guys need to start proving they are options but give them a chance. If they arent good enough then so be it.

For example, Shane Fives was around the panel 4 or 5 years before he got a chance, and took it.

Just because a guy was on a winning team doesnt mean hes better than a fella whos a couple of years older.

DE DEISE · 18-02-2017 07:59AM

manor wrote: »

Lads,

Where can I.buy the Waterford blue hats.[/quote

I contacted Azzurri this week to find out, i was told that they will be available next week., to check the online shop. €?? They couldn't say

Horseboxhead · 18-02-2017 09:51AM

there is some shower of opinionated no nothing snipes on this forum, critasising everything and anything, reminds me of the Clare supporters when they came to Dungarvan for u-21 munster final years ago, hated the pitch, hated the field , hated the journey, full of the won an all ireland and knew everything, we are blessed with a team, panel and manager that are bringing a level of consistancty that we have never had before, with the promise of better, jesus lads relax, and stop showing ye're ignorance, go to the games and support, if guy's are not doing well , then everyone is entitled to an opinion, but all this east/west, roanmore new selector, dereks pet's is so tiresome .

crottys lake · 18-02-2017 09:58AM

ThaiTanic wrote: »

Favouritism towards players from DLS/Roanmoare! Where have you been for the Munster League? Nearly the whole Roanmore panel were involved at some stage this year.

As to the three players starting? Il break it down why I don't think they're good options.

McNulty: One Sided, Weak in the Air, Lacks Pace.

GOB: No confidence in his ability, weak, haven't seen him playing good for Waterford since minor in walsh park.

Dilion: Where to start, shouldn't be near the panel, any person that knows anything about hurling or is involved in Hurling at some level in Waterford will tell you that. Slow, Small, takes an acre to turn, bad distribution, no good in the air. The only positive he brings is accuracy and will tap over easy scores but that dosent cut it at Senior inter County. All he done last year was scored a ball Brick put on a plate for him. There's better forwards playing for junior and intermidate club teams than Dilion.

I would have to take serious issue with your English teacher.

mountgomery burns · 18-02-2017 10:32AM

No disrespect to anyone that puts on a Waterford jersey nd no doubt anyone that gets the opportunity is talented and so not going to slag anyone by name.

But there seems to always be one or two names bandied around here alin to Eamon dunphy obsession with Andy Reid.

By the way, McNulty made a brulliant and telling catch late on last Sunday when the game was un the melting pot. For that alone, I'd give him a shot. Its not he was a sub underage plucked out of nowhere, he plyed two years minor (one as center back) and was it 3 years u21? A good hurler

Take no prisoners · 18-02-2017 10:48AM

Couldn't have put it better!!!

Horseboxhead wrote: »

there is some shower of opinionated no nothing snipes on this forum, critasising everything and anything, reminds me of the Clare supporters when they came to Dungarvan for u-21 munster final years ago, hated the pitch, hated the field , hated the journey, full of the won an all ireland and knew everything, we are blessed with a team, panel and manager that are bringing a level of consistancty that we have never had before, with the promise of better, jesus lads relax, and stop showing ye're ignorance, go to the games and support, if guy's are not doing well , then everyone is entitled to an opinion, but all this east/west, roanmore new selector, dereks pet's is so tiresome .

mickotallow · 18-02-2017 11:08AM

crottys lake wrote: »

I would have to take serious issue with your English teacher.

It wasn't Derek anyway

Stopitwillya · 18-02-2017 11:10AM

deisechap09 wrote: »

I agree with this in that new guys need to come in, but your statement is nonsense. Mcnulty is 23 and you are ruling him out. Look i agree these guys need to start proving they are options but give them a chance. If they arent good enough then so be it.

For example, Shane Fives was around the panel 4 or 5 years before he got a chance, and took it.

Just because a guy was on a winning team doesnt mean hes better than a fella whos a couple of years older.

Your dead right about Shane Fives but look at Gavin O Brien. He has got numerous chances. Was a regular starter at corner forward in Michael Ryans first year and in McGraths first year played wing forward. I can remember watching him against Wexford up in Nowlan Park and thinking to myself how on earth is this lad playing county. His performance that day was muck. In
my opinion he has got too many chances, is not good enough a hurler to even be on the panel and will never make it. I expect him to be wing forward tomorrow but think it would be a lot more beneficial to have tried DJ Foran there.

Shane McNulty on the other hand hasn't got many chances despite being on the panel 3/4 years. Deserves his chance tomorrow on those grounds but the facts are that he has hardly being tearing it up at club level with a under performing DLS team.

ThaiTanic · 18-02-2017 11:46AM

crottys lake wrote: »

I would have to take serious issue with your English teacher.

You don't have much luck taking serious issue with people do you Bernard, the co council put you in your place about building crap in the
Comeraghs

My main point is that some of these players that are starting at the weekend are on the panel with years, where do you draw the line and say maybe they're not good enough? Where do you give some of the lads coming through a chance?

Do you not think we might find more in Billy Nolan at this stage than Dilion? Prunty is fit again but maybe lacking match fitness to start ahead of McNulty, I'd also argue DJ Foran would offer us more than Gavin O Brien, Moran is going to play mid field with Gleeson so maybe pushing someone like DJ up front would offer us more of a goal threat seeing that Paddy, Maurice & Stevie are out!

Only my opinion which we are all entitled to, some pro Dereck lads getting very hot under the collar.

Just one question, how will people feel about the management if the summer plans out like this, (it's just probability not negativity)

Tipp beat us in Munster so we go the scenic route to Croker, We make an All Ireland semi final v Kilkenny and fall short again? What then lads? Give Dereck more time? Just a question, look forward to reading the replies on how people feel about this

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