Riots in the Parisian suburbs

moneymad · 17-02-2017 10:44AM

seenitall wrote: »

The Irish are a placid lot. A constant, low-level, all social strata-encompassing grumble, is the safety valve that saves ye from the bother of protest marches or the explosiveness of riots.

And beer. Ah the beer...

It's the "I'm all right jack" attitude.

Flint Fredstone · 17-02-2017 11:02AM

moneymad wrote: »

We don't have the backbone and we never stick together to help one another.
But when we do ,occupy nama happens.

We don't have the backbone to go out and arbitrarily smash up everything in sight?
Funny way of putting it...

Banana Republican · 17-02-2017 12:00PM

sbsquarepants wrote: »

This is like something some handle bar mustache sporting fruit cake in assless leather chaps would tell the triage nurse at 3am.

How exactly do you accidently shove a police baton up someones arse. It's a fúcking ridiculous explanation!

Of course it is but again what right does it give anyone to riot and destroy innocent peoples property. Protest by all means, peacefully. Organise a million man march or whatever but these thugs are contributing nothing to the cause of justice for the victim. Actually they are that stupid they don't realise it's having the opposite effect.

Banana Republican · 17-02-2017 12:03PM

moneymad wrote: »

It's the "I'm all right jack" attitude.

"Keep the head down lad, don't cause any bother". It should be written on the tricolour.

Butters1979 · 17-02-2017 12:26PM

seenitall wrote: »

The Irish are a placid lot. A constant, low-level, all social strata-encompassing grumble, is the safety valve that saves ye from the bother of protest marches or the explosiveness of riots.

And beer. Ah the beer...

Except when it come to water charges. Apparently that's our limit. Not getting a rare resource for free. Entitlement triggered.

Flint Fredstone · 17-02-2017 12:48PM

Butters1979 wrote: »

Except when it come to water charges. Apparently that's our limit. Not getting a rare resource for free. Entitlement triggered.

Be interesting to see a Venn diagram of A: The people who were disgusted by any trouble at water protests and meter installations.
B: The people who think these riots are understandable or even condone them.

Grayson · 17-02-2017 12:55PM

Your Face wrote: »

One was charged with rape.

When did that happen? I'm looking now but I can't see anything. From what I can tell there was an investigation but no-one was charged.

Grayson · 17-02-2017 01:00PM

Flint Fredstone wrote: »

Be interesting to see a Venn diagram of A: The people who were disgusted by any trouble at water protests and meter installations.
B: The people who think these riots are understandable or even condone them.

Understanding why the riots happen and condoning them are two completly different things. I understand why there's protests. I understand why there's riots. I especially understand why rioters attack police (The protests are after all because of police brutality). I think they are natural outcomes. It doesn't mean I condone violence or destruction.

Banana Republican · 17-02-2017 01:21PM

Butters1979 wrote: »

Except when it come to water charges. Apparently that's our limit. Not getting a rare resource for free. Entitlement triggered.

It's not and never has been free.

Your Face · 17-02-2017 01:38PM

Grayson wrote: »

When did that happen? I'm looking now but I can't see anything. From what I can tell there was an investigation but no-one was charged.

About a week about and three others charged with assault.
That's what I read about it then.

If I find a link, chances are I won't bother to post it, being Friday and all.

Flint Fredstone · 17-02-2017 01:50PM

Grayson wrote: »

Understanding why the riots happen and condoning them are two completly different things. I understand why there's protests. I understand why there's riots. I especially understand why rioters attack police (The protests are after all because of police brutality). I think they are natural outcomes. It doesn't mean I condone violence or destruction.

Protests are understandable. Smashing the sh*t out of everything in sight is not understandable.

Butters1979 · 17-02-2017 02:45PM

Banana Republican wrote: »

It's not and never has been free.

Not to the state, and to a lot of tax payers, but to a large number of people in this country who consider it a right that other people subsidies them, including paying for their water, it was and remains free. But that's a different discussion.

mynamejeff · 17-02-2017 02:53PM

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

But its not, because the police have decided not to charge their member be cause it was "an accident" sic.

is it not the judiciary not the police that decided not to charge the cop ?

justice in france is not the same as justice in ireland britian or america

Cameo · 17-02-2017 04:16PM

moneymad wrote: »

We don't have the backbone and we never stick together to help one another.

Speak for thyself.

Banana Republican wrote: »

"Keep the head down lad, don't cause any bother". It should be written on the tricolour.

But you're arguing against violent rioting? There are regularly peaceful protests here, isn't that what you're advocating?

Butters1979, I have no time for the more self entitled elements of the anti water charge lobby, but water a rare resource?

Cameo · 17-02-2017 04:20PM

seenitall wrote: »

The Irish are a placid lot. A constant, low-level, all social strata-encompassing grumble, is the safety valve that saves ye from the bother of protest marches or the explosiveness of riots.

And beer. Ah the beer...

Nice nationality generalising there (try doing the same regarding certain other groups) but actually no, plenty of Irish (as opposed to "the Irish") never stop complaining and "knowing their rights".

KingBrian2 · 17-02-2017 05:47PM

The other issue here is that France is still in a state of emergency the country has the military patrolling the streets. This is not peacetime Paris. France is at a state of war. These protests will show that routine life has come to an end in parts of France. I hope the French army can bring peace back to the lawlessness that is going on.

B_Wayne · 17-02-2017 05:49PM

KingBrian2 wrote: »

Well based on the reports it did not happen the way some perceive it have and don't you know this will be used by the far right to portray all these people as overly sensitive when many have genuine grievances against the gvt.

Can you clarify how the attack by the police officer is being misrepresented? Is there a justified scenario for raping a person with a baton?

KingBrian2 wrote: »

Agreed if they did what they are being accused of. Taking your action on the entire police force for the actions of one or a number of officers is taking the situation to extreme. Enter politics but to engage in wanton violence automatically disqualifies you. What did the business owners and fellow French citizens do to have to experience this rioters behaviour.

Institutional racism by the French police isn't a new phenomena and goes far further back than just this event.

KingBrian2 wrote: »

The rioters now differing news outlets will present different facts but from what i gathered the rioters have been torching cars, smashing windows and engaging in running battles with the police not to mention the looting all the hallmarks of either purposeful chaos to make a point or plain exploiting the resentment out their and trying to destabilize the French Republic.

KingBrian2 wrote: »

Your in favour of the rioting. I don't know how any one can be in favour of people rioting. The situation is eerily similar to the west bank and now we have posters MightyMandarin comparing Trump & Geert Wilders to ISIS who have publicly beheaded people and practice forced marriages. The solution would be to shut down the Front National and prescribe it a terrorist organisation.

No it's 'eerily familiar' to events such as Rodney King, you're representing as it as Islamic terrorism of some kind. The simple fact is that the rioting is as a result of growing tensions and resentment towards the police. The instability has been created by the system. It's uncomfortable and horrifying at times. However it's also horrifying that people would try to justify racist attacks and profiling by law enforcement.

KingBrian2 · 17-02-2017 06:08PM

B_Wayne wrote: »

Can you clarify how the attack by the police officer is being misrepresented? Is there a justified scenario for raping a person with a baton?

Various news outlets be they online, radio or the papers usually tabloid will have their own slant on what is going on.

Institutional racism by the French police isn't a new phenomena and goes far further back than just this event.

No it's 'eerily familiar' to events such as Rodney King, you're representing as it as Islamic terrorism of some kind. The simple fact is that the rioting is as a result of growing tensions and resentment towards the police. The instability has been created by the system. It's uncomfortable and horrifying at times. However it's also horrifying that people would try to justify racist attacks and profiling by law enforcement.

Various news outlets be they online, radio or the papers usually tabloid will have their own slant on what is going on. Also you keep mentioning the Rodney King situation but this is not the same. Their is a refugee crisis in Europe and France is the first port of call that and the the recent attacks in Paris and Nice is why their is a state of emergency. ISIS have publicly stated they aim to infiltrate European society and causing these tensions within France is precisely what they want to do. The French forces are doing their best keeping the people safe but obviously with revolts in the suburbs some parts of the country have become lawless.

17-02-2017 06:14PM

KingBrian2 wrote: »

Various news outlets be they online, radio or the papers usually tabloid will have their own slant on what is going on. Also you keep mentioning the Rodney King situation but this is not the same. Their is a refugee crisis in Europe and France is the first port of call that and the the recent attacks in Paris and Nice is why their is a state of emergency. ISIS have publicly stated they aim to infiltrate European society and causing these tensions within France is precisely what they want to do. The French forces are doing their best keeping the people safe but obviously with revolts in the suburbs some parts of the country have become lawless.

It's hard to put a slant on a lad being raped by a truncheon wielded by a police officer. It's quite cut and dried, it's not something he faked.

The French forces will (mostly) be trying to keep people safe, but if they let their own off the hook for brutal sexual assaults it can hardly be a surprise to many that the population is outraged. If you want to counteract lawlessness, then the first thing you should do is expect lawful conduct from agents of the law, not rape.

B_Wayne · 17-02-2017 06:17PM

KingBrian2 wrote: »

Various news outlets be they online, radio or the papers usually tabloid will have their own slant on what is going on. Also you keep mentioning the Rodney King situation but this is not the same. Their is a refugee crisis in Europe and France is the first port of call that and the the recent attacks in Paris and Nice is why their is a state of emergency. ISIS have publicly stated they aim to infiltrate European society and causing these tensions within France is precisely what they want to do. The French forces are doing their best keeping the people safe but obviously with revolts in the suburbs some parts of the country have become lawless.

Rodney King is 100% applicable since racism in French police predates ISIS and the refugee crisis. Tonnes on the topic that goes back decades. It's a fact that this man was raped with a baton, that is not a matter that there is any question about. So what other slant can be put on that?

You paint this as a refugee issue, the issue is institutional racism which you're conveniently ignoring. It's pretty horrifying that refugees was what your mind leapt to as a result of this story.

17-02-2017 06:19PM

B_Wayne wrote: »

You paint this as a refugee issue, the issue is institutional racism which you're conveniently ignoring.

Alternative facts.

KingBrian2 · 17-02-2017 06:22PM

Candie wrote: »

It's hard to put a slant on a lad being raped by a truncheon wielded by a police officer. It's quite cut and dried, it's not something he faked.

The French forces will (mostly) be trying to keep people safe, but if they let their own off the hook for brutal sexual assaults it can hardly be a surprise to many that the population is outraged. If you want to counteract lawlessness, then the first thing you should do is expect lawful conduct from agents of the law, not rape.

Now your the one justifying violence. A incident of outrage in one part of the country and the entire country erupts into violence. This is not related to the police attack. This is frustration that is not being addressed by the political leadership within France. Unemployment is high in France and the arriving migrants are adding to the rise in extremism. Their is a direct link between Unemployment and extremism i am convinced of.

B_Wayne · 17-02-2017 06:25PM

Brian, you are completely misrepresenting the story. You have completed avoided the act of police brutality that triggered this situation.

17-02-2017 06:25PM

KingBrian2 wrote: »

Now your the one justifying violence. A incident of outrage in one part of the country and the entire country erupts into violence. This is not related to the police attack. This is frustration that is not being addressed by the political leadership within France. Unemployment is high in France and the arriving migrants are adding to the rise in extremism. Their is a direct link between Unemployment and extremism i am convinced of.

No, it's an explosion of outrage after decades of institutional racism and marginalisation.

I did not justify any kind of violence, so don't put words in my mouth. Outrage is understandable, violence and destruction carried out by a minority, is not.

IvyTheTerrible · 17-02-2017 06:28PM

KingBrian2 wrote: »

Now your the one justifying violence. A incident of outrage in one part of the country and the entire country erupts into violence. This is not related to the police attack. This is frustration that is not being addressed by the political leadership within France. Unemployment is high in France and the arriving migrants are adding to the rise in extremism. Their is a direct link between Unemployment and extremism i am convinced of.

What are you talking about? All the protests are about the police violence, that's why protesters are shouting"Justice pour Theo".

IvyTheTerrible · 17-02-2017 06:30PM

Candie wrote: »

No, it's an explosion of outrage after decades of institutional racism and marginalisation.

I did not justify any kind of violence, so don't put words in my mouth. Outrage is understandable, violence and destruction carried out by a minority, is not.

The whole country erupts into violence? That is a total exaggeration and is frankly rubbish.

KingBrian2 · 17-02-2017 06:35PM

Candie wrote: »

No, it's an explosion of outrage after decades of institutional racism and marginalisation.

I did not justify any kind of violence, so don't put words in my mouth. Outrage is understandable, violence and destruction carried out by a minority, is not.

Your making it out that the French forces discriminated against all these people in France which is not what happened. The protesters chose to go out there and wreck their country. Did they attack police stations no they did not. Are their rallies against the injustice that is going on. None of that has come out. On all the coverage i have seen it shows an army of protesters causing damage and destruction reminiscent of the protest against the election of Trump only this time on a far grander scale.

Their is nothing misrepresented about this story unless you dislike the coverage of the unrest and yes it has received very little media attention. The riots have nearly got as bad as they have in 2005.

MadYaker · 17-02-2017 06:37PM

There are riots in Paris once a year, have been for decades. I like how OP is trying to turn this into a refugee issue though, if you're familiar with his posts you'll recognise a definite trend :pac:

Trying to point out the flaws in his "logic" is a waste of time.

buried · 17-02-2017 06:40PM

KingBrian2 · 17-02-2017 06:42PM

MadYaker wrote: »

There are riots in Paris once a year, have been for decades. I like how OP is trying to turn this into a refugee issue though, if you're familiar with his posts you'll recognise a definite trend :pac:

Trying to point out the flaws in his "logic" is a waste of time.

I mentioned the refugee issue only to point out that their is a state of emergency in the country which many people are unfamiliar with, all this talk of France being wonderful at the moment is pure nonsense. The posters on Boards.ie that ignore this at their peril are clueless. Just so you know i ain't a supporter of Le Pen or her anti migrant stance. When you deny that France is is facing security challenges then we have silly notions being advocated.

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