Riots in the Parisian suburbs

KingBrian2

Over the last few days news has begun to emerge that their has been wide scale rioting in France all over the country mostly concentrated in the 18th arrondissement of Paris. This was sparked by a serious incident of police brutality that was uncovered. It looks like the simmering tensions are bubbling up to the surface and Le Pen of the National Front is gaining a lot of support for her anti migrant policies. Are these protests organised by political fringe movements or are they the real deal? It's getting serious.

http://http://www.thelocal.fr/20170216/clashes-move-to-paris-after-alleged-police-rape-in-suburbs

Stigura

Link blows out for me / Firefox

KingBrian2

http://http://www.independent.ie/world-news/french-police-officer-charged-with-raping-22yearold-man-35427916.html

KingBrian2

Yeah it looks like Boards.ie is preventing me from posting images or links.

Stigura

Ah!

IvyTheTerrible

The riots are because a cop raped a guy with his baton, and when questioned said the the guys pants fell down in the scuffle and his baton " accidentally" penetrated him and caused a 4 inch tear. Now whatever you think about immigration into France, I think that counts as a problem of policing.

Victor

KingBrian2 wrote: »

Yeah it looks like Boards.ie is preventing me from posting images or links.

You're putting in a http:// too many. Edit posts so that the link starts with www.

Grayson

KingBrian2 wrote: »

http://http://www.independent.ie/world-news/french-police-officer-charged-with-raping-22yearold-man-35427916.html

Weirdly that one, even when I edit it, brings me to the indo but the indo says the page doesn't exist.

http://www.thelocal.fr/20170216/clashes-move-to-paris-after-alleged-police-rape-in-suburbs

That works but is the slowest link I have ever clicked.

Stigura

Shows the indi page, saying it's 404'd and offering me that chick with an arse like the back of a bus, Grayson

I think I'll just move on now.

DredFX

From the UK Independent, since the Internet has apparently picked an apt time to have dodgy links:

Anti-police protests in Paris descended into violence last night as a wave of demonstrations gripped the country, following accusations a police officer anally raped a young black man with a baton.

Protesters clashed with riot police after they lit piles of rubbish and bins on fire in the streets of the 18th arrondissement in the north of the French capital. The riot police threw tear gas canisters at the protesters, which were in turn thrown back at them.

A shop was also looted and windows were smashed.

Hundreds of people, some wearing hoods to hide their identity, travelled to the Barbes Metro station to protest against police brutality.

The protests, which have been contained to the suburbs in recent weeks, erupted in Paris after a 22-year-old man known as Theo, was allegedly raped with a truncheon during a routine police check earlier this month.

Police brutality, met with brutality. The usual song and dance.

pickarooney

Flawless victory?

IvyTheTerrible

IvyTheTerrible wrote: »

The riots are because a cop raped a guy with his baton, and when questioned said the the guys pants fell down in the scuffle and his baton " accidentally" penetrated him and caused a 4 inch tear. Now whatever you think about immigration into France, I think that counts as a problem of policing.

It's horrific, I was reading about it days ago and I'm not surprised that people are outraged and horrified. It's typical that instead of addressing peoples concerns about policing that Marine Le Pen is using it to stir up anti immigration feeling.

That poor guy, what was done to him is inhuman.

KingBrian2

Candie wrote: »

It's horrific, I was reading about it days ago and I'm not surprised that people are outraged and horrified. It's typical that instead of addressing peoples concerns about policing that Marine Le Pen is using it to stir up anti immigration feeling.

That poor guy, what was done to him is inhuman.

Well based on the reports it did not happen the way some perceive it have and don't you know this will be used by the far right to portray all these people as overly sensitive when many have genuine grievances against the gvt.

Grayson

After googling it, here's a bit more for people that are interested.

http://www.politico.eu/article/theo-paris-riots-over-police-rape-hijack-french-campaign-racism-aulnay-sous-bois/

Apparently a youth worker intervened in an argument between police and someone he knew. He was apparently trying to deescalate the situation. He was beaten by police, pepper sprayed and anally raped by police using a truncheon. His wounds were so bad that hat he was rushed to hospital for emergency surgery on his rectum.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/feb/08/12-arrested-as-french-youths-clash-with-police-on-estates-near-paris

Earlier Théo had described the assault, saying he thought he was going to die. He said a police baton was forced into his anus and that he was then sprayed with teargas to the face and mouth and beaten to the head while officers shouted insults, including “bitch”. He said the pain from being sprayed and beaten to the head seemed “fleeting” because he was in such agony from the baton attack. “I was walking only because they were holding me up,” he said.

Shortly after, he was rushed to hospital for emergency surgery to repair his rectum. Doctors said he would be incapacitated for three months.

The police said no charges would be brought against the officers since it was an "accidental rape".

And then the riots started...

Hollande has appeared with the victim and both have called on the riots to stop.
Le Pen has said she supports the police and says the government hasn't done enough to crack down on the rioters.

And that brings us up to date. Really the incident is very reminiscent of a black lives matter issue or something like Rodney King.

Grayson

KingBrian2 wrote: »

Well based on the reports it did not happen the way some perceive it have and don't you know this will be used by the far right to portray all these people as overly sensitive when many have genuine grievances against the gvt.

One of the links I found whilst googling was snopes. Far right groups are saying that it's evidence of a muslim take over of neighbourhoods.

http://www.snopes.com/muslim-refugee-france-video/

IvyTheTerrible

Grayson wrote: »

One of the links I found whilst googling was snopes. Far right groups are saying that it's evidence of a muslim take over of neighbourhoods.

http://www.snopes.com/muslim-refugee-france-video/

Haha yeah from all the white right-voters that are just queuing up to live in Seine-St-Denis and Creteil! Who are they kidding?

DredFX

Grayson wrote: »

The police said no charges would be brought against the officers since it was an "accidental rape".

Only slightly more tactful than saying, "Whoops, my baton slipped."

MightyMandarin

The guy who was attacked, Theo, was in hospital for a number of days (could still be there idk) as they shoved the baton so far up his arse they actually ruptured his intestines.

Whatever about the legitimacy of these protests (and quite frankly if I were from his neighbourhood I'd be ****ing raging aswell), I think we can all agree that the actions of those officers are just plain sick.

KingBrian2

MightyMandarin wrote: »

The guy who was attacked, Theo, was in hospital for a number of days (could still be there idk) as they shoved the baton so far up his arse they actually ruptured his intestines.

Whatever about the legitimacy of these protests (and quite frankly if I were from his neighbourhood I'd be ****ing raging aswell), I think we can all agree that the actions of those officers are just plain sick.

Agreed if they did what they are being accused of. Taking your action on the entire police force for the actions of one or a number of officers is taking the situation to extreme. Enter politics but to engage in wanton violence automatically disqualifies you. What did the business owners and fellow French citizens do to have to experience this rioters behaviour.

MightyMandarin

KingBrian2 wrote: »

Agreed if they did what they are being accused of. Taking your action on the entire police force for the actions of one or a number of officers is taking the situation to extreme. Enter politics but to engage in wanton violence automatically disqualifies you. What did the business owners and fellow French citizens do to have to experience this rioters behaviour.

I'm not legitimizing the violence, but the motive behind the protests is absolutely justified, and unlike that horrible woman, Le Pen, I will not use the actions of a few violent protesters as a reason to call them 'scum'.

KingBrian2

MightyMandarin wrote: »

I'm not legitimizing the violence, but the motive behind the protests is absolutely justified, and unlike that horrible woman, Le Pen, I will not use the actions of a few violent protesters as a reason to call them 'scum'.

The rioters now differing news outlets will present different facts but from what i gathered the rioters have been torching cars, smashing windows and engaging in running battles with the police not to mention the looting all the hallmarks of either purposeful chaos to make a point or plain exploiting the resentment out their and trying to destabilize the French Republic.

Grayson

KingBrian2 wrote: »

Agreed if they did what they are being accused of. Taking your action on the entire police force for the actions of one or a number of officers is taking the situation to extreme. Enter politics but to engage in wanton violence automatically disqualifies you. What did the business owners and fellow French citizens do to have to experience this rioters behaviour.

The french high court found that the police target poor non white people in a racially prejudicial manner. The french police pretty much had their own form of stop and frisk and it was deemed to be applied with a racial bias. Plus this isn't the only example of violence by the police. A lot of the reports I read there mentioned that there have been a string of accusations of police brutality and this latest one is just particularly bad.
That's why I said that it's a bit similar to black lives matter.

Apparently a lot of people protested initially but the police crackdown was so harsh that the numbers are dwindling because people are scared of being targeted by police. Of course that wouldn't stop the violent protesters and even those that are just opportunistic rioters (kinda like the riots in the UK years ago).

Edit: You mention "if the police did what they are accused off". I have no idea how someone gets accidentally raped by a truncheon.

Banana Republican

Whatever happened between the police and guy with the baton is for the courts to decide. It doesn't excuse these animals rioting and the damage being caused.

Banana Republican

MightyMandarin wrote: »

I'm not legitimizing the violence, but the motive behind the protests is absolutely justified, and unlike that horrible woman, Le Pen, I will not use the actions of a few violent protesters as a reason to call them 'scum'.

It isnt a "few violent protesters". Watch the online videos it's hundreds of scumbags out to cause criminal damage and attacking the police. There is zero excuse for that. They are scum.

skankkuvhima

Banana Republican wrote: »

It isnt a "few violent protesters". Watch the online videos it's hundreds of scumbags out to cause criminal damage and attacking the police. There is zero excuse for that. They are scum.

But but but ... Le Pen!!!! It's all her fault.

SEPT 23 1989

Send the legion in

Cameo

Banana Republican wrote: »

Whatever happened between the police and guy with the baton is for the courts to decide.

You mean the policeman with the baton and the guy this baton was used on? I agree rioters are acting scummily but this specific incident doesn't deserve to be downplayed - it's horrendous, no matter who it's by or who it's done to. Would you downplay an assault like that as "for the courts to decide" if carried out by absolutely anyone?

KingBrian2

skankkuvhima wrote: »

But but but ... Le Pen!!!! It's all her fault.

They would claim it is her responsibility since allegedly the police vote for the far right. Her actions are therefore contributing to the unrest in the country. Undeniably their is an element of outsiders causing this i reckon ISIS or other subversive groups are staging this violent uprisings.

biko

KingBrian2 wrote: »

http://http://www.independent.ie/world-news/french-police-officer-charged-with-raping-22yearold-man-35427916.html

Ah the old double http, with no : in the link

Mrs OBumble

Banana Republican wrote: »

Whatever happened between the police and guy with the baton is for the courts to decide. It doesn't excuse these animals rioting and the damage being caused.

But its not, because the police have decided not to charge their member be cause it was "an accident" sic.

biko

It's been like this for a long time

Twenty Years of Hate: Why ‘La Haine’ is More Timely Than Ever

Banana Republican

KingBrian2 wrote: »

They would claim it is her responsibility since allegedly the police vote for the far right. Her actions are therefore contributing to the unrest in the country. Undeniably their is an element of outsiders causing this i reckon ISIS or other subversive groups are staging this violent uprisings.

So it's "undeniable" is it? Come on this is complete and utter scumbag thuggery from these idiots. It's not organised by ISIS or anyone else that's pure fantasy stuff.

Banana Republican

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

But its not, because the police have decided not to charge their member be cause it was "an accident" sic.

Then people should organise massive peaceful protests in response that's how democracy works in western society. Violence isn't the answer. Hard working shop owners, car owners etc.. are having their property destroyed by these p ric ks.

IvyTheTerrible

Banana Republican wrote: »

Then people should organise massive peaceful protests in response that's how democracy works in western society. Violence isn't the answer. Hard working shop owners, car owners etc.. are having their property destroyed by these p ric ks.

There WERE big peaceful protests but some violent elements hijacked them. The violence didn't start straightaway. It's 10 days since the incident happened.

KingBrian2

Banana Republican wrote: »

So it's "undeniable" is it? Come on this is complete and utter scumbag thuggery from these idiots. It's not organised by ISIS or anyone else that's pure fantasy stuff.

ISIS did say they want to infiltrate the west and cause chaos now this is all exaggeration we know that we also know ISIS sleeper agents and Jihadi's are concentrating on attacking Europe & America and stop Muslims, Jews & Christians of Europe from living and working side by side.

KingBrian2

IvyTheTerrible wrote: »

There WERE big peaceful protests but some violent elements hijacked them. The violence didn't start straightaway. It's 10 days since the incident happened.

The peaceful protests don't get the attention. Gandhi and Mother Theresa took a long time to get their message across.

Grayson

KingBrian2 wrote: »

The peaceful protests don't get the attention. Gandhi and Mother Theresa took a long time to get their message across.

Were they in ISIS as well?

Banana Republican

Grayson wrote: »

Were they in ISIS as well?

This must have been ISIS also. From last year.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11/02/pictured-huge-migrant-brawl-in-paris/

MightyMandarin

KingBrian2 wrote: »

ISIS did say they want to infiltrate the west and cause chaos now this is all exaggeration we know that we also know ISIS sleeper agents and Jihadi's are concentrating on attacking Europe & America and stop Muslims, Jews & Christians of Europe from living and working side by side.

Funny that you say that, since Le Pen, Wilders, Trump and all of these right wing clowns want the same thing. In fact, Le Pen pledged to get rid of same-sex marriage (#87 there) so that's two things themselves and ISIS can agree on.

It's amazing that these seemingly polar-opposite groups actually have a lot in common. I guess that's what happens when you get a bunch of hateful people to convince a bunch of idiots to follow your ideology of hate.

PowerToWait

I lived in and around Paris for long spells in the late '80s to late '90s and from my experience these things are neither new nor uncommon.

French police I'd say are as right wing as Italian or Spanish police. Blatant racist profiling was rampant and immigrants were routinely abused and beaten on a whim. I can't see that having changed much.

A very close friend of mine is a teacher in a town in the southern suburbs. The people living there are essentially trapped, stigmatised and almost exclusively 1st or 2nd generation immigrant families with very little opportunity to assimilate or ameliorate their lot.

Resentment will build and bubble over in situations such as anal rape of a citizen by the police.

wakka12

KingBrian2 wrote: »

Agreed if they did what they are being accused of. Taking your action on the entire police force for the actions of one or a number of officers is taking the situation to extreme. Enter politics but to engage in wanton violence automatically disqualifies you. What did the business owners and fellow French citizens do to have to experience this rioters behaviour.

Generally Im against it but Im in support of these protests/riots in this case. Its astounding than a man capable of that was hired and placed in a position where he is supposed to keep the public safe. Very justified in this case imo

KingBrian2

wakka12 wrote: »

Generally Im against it but Im in support of these protests/riots in this case. Its astounding than a man capable of that was hired and placed in a position where he is supposed to keep the public safe. Very justified in this case imo

Your in favour of the rioting. I don't know how any one can be in favour of people rioting. The situation is eerily similar to the west bank and now we have posters MightyMandarin comparing Trump & Geert Wilders to ISIS who have publicly beheaded people and practice forced marriages. The solution would be to shut down the Front National and prescribe it a terrorist organisation.

wakka12

KingBrian2 wrote: »

Your in favour of the rioting. I don't know how any one can be in favour of people rioting. The situation is eerily similar to the west bank and now we have posters MightyMandarin comparing Trump & Geert Wilders to ISIS who have publicly beheaded people and practice forced marriages. The solution would be to shut down the Front National and prescribe it a terrorist organisation.

yeh sometimes I am in support of riots, often with these things nobody listens and no change will come about unless violence is used.

milehip

Banana Republican wrote: »

It isnt a "few violent protesters". Watch the online videos it's hundreds of scumbags out to cause criminal damage and attacking the police. There is zero excuse for that. They are scum.

Very apt username.

Grayson

KingBrian2 wrote: »

Your in favour of the rioting. I don't know how any one can be in favour of people rioting. The situation is eerily similar to the west bank and now we have posters MightyMandarin comparing Trump & Geert Wilders to ISIS who have publicly beheaded people and practice forced marriages. The solution would be to shut down the Front National and prescribe it a terrorist organisation.

I wasn't sure at first but then I looked up eerily in the dictionary.

eerily
ee·rie or ee·ry (îr′ē)
adj. ee·ri·er, ee·ri·est
1. Absolutely nothing like.
2. So distantly related as to be impossible to compare to.
[Middle English eri, distant, from Old English earg, opposite.]

Spot on.


Edit: facetiousness aside, if there's a comparison then it's to black lives matter or Rodney King. You have a segment of the population which is both poor and feels victimised by the police. Something like this happens and you get a reaction from the population and you can expect some of them to be violent. In many ways the events are very similar to Rodney King or the riots in London a few years ago. It starts out as protests. Some protesters turn violent and then it's taken over by people rioting, burning and looting, many of whom have very little interest in the original case.

suicide_circus

This policeman is literally a sodomite.

Banana Republican

wakka12 wrote: »

yeh sometimes I am in support of riots, often with these things nobody listens and no change will come about unless violence is used.

Disgraceful comment. So the hard working shop owners and people who bought cars/motorbikes etc.. that these animals are destroying will just have to accept the violence?? The police have imo shown great restraint with these scumbags. :mad:

Your Face

This will play nicely into the anti-imigration lobby.

weldoninhio

DredFX wrote: »

From the UK Independent, since the Internet has apparently picked an apt time to have dodgy links:


Police brutality, met with brutality. The usual song and dance.

I hate when you go out to protest something and you end up coming home with a looted 42" tv.

EndaHonesty

suicide_circus wrote: »

This policeman is literally a sodomite.

You obviously don't know what the words literally or sodomite mean!

Lovely Bloke

Protests are fine, and god knows a young lad having a truncheon shoved up his jacksie is reason enough to take to the streets to protest against police brutality, but when they become criminal damage of people's livelihoods then they become the actions of a scumbag mob.

What have shop owners, private citizens who own cars and property, business people done to deserve their property and businesses being destroyed and looted?

Anyone being an apologist for that needs to take a long hard look at themselves.

It's no surprise which side of the political spectrum those of you who are defending these actions are coming from. More proof, if it were even needed, of the rise of the fascist left.