Riots in the Parisian suburbs

KingBrian2 · 16-02-2017 08:50PM #1

Over the last few days news has begun to emerge that their has been wide scale rioting in France all over the country mostly concentrated in the 18th arrondissement of Paris. This was sparked by a serious incident of police brutality that was uncovered. It looks like the simmering tensions are bubbling up to the surface and Le Pen of the National Front is gaining a lot of support for her anti migrant policies. Are these protests organised by political fringe movements or are they the real deal? It's getting serious.

http://http://www.thelocal.fr/20170216/clashes-move-to-paris-after-alleged-police-rape-in-suburbs

Stigura · 16-02-2017 08:54PM

Link blows out for me / Firefox

KingBrian2 · 16-02-2017 09:03PM

http://http://www.independent.ie/world-news/french-police-officer-charged-with-raping-22yearold-man-35427916.html

KingBrian2 · 16-02-2017 09:04PM

Yeah it looks like Boards.ie is preventing me from posting images or links.

Stigura · 16-02-2017 09:07PM

Ah!

IvyTheTerrible · 16-02-2017 09:18PM

The riots are because a cop raped a guy with his baton, and when questioned said the the guys pants fell down in the scuffle and his baton " accidentally" penetrated him and caused a 4 inch tear. Now whatever you think about immigration into France, I think that counts as a problem of policing.

Victor · 16-02-2017 09:19PM

KingBrian2 wrote: »

Yeah it looks like Boards.ie is preventing me from posting images or links.

You're putting in a http:// too many. Edit posts so that the link starts with www.

Grayson · 16-02-2017 09:21PM

KingBrian2 wrote: »

http://http://www.independent.ie/world-news/french-police-officer-charged-with-raping-22yearold-man-35427916.html

Weirdly that one, even when I edit it, brings me to the indo but the indo says the page doesn't exist.

http://www.thelocal.fr/20170216/clashes-move-to-paris-after-alleged-police-rape-in-suburbs

That works but is the slowest link I have ever clicked.

Stigura · 16-02-2017 09:24PM

Shows the indi page, saying it's 404'd and offering me that chick with an arse like the back of a bus, Grayson

I think I'll just move on now.

DredFX · 16-02-2017 09:28PM

From the UK Independent, since the Internet has apparently picked an apt time to have dodgy links:

Anti-police protests in Paris descended into violence last night as a wave of demonstrations gripped the country, following accusations a police officer anally raped a young black man with a baton.

Protesters clashed with riot police after they lit piles of rubbish and bins on fire in the streets of the 18th arrondissement in the north of the French capital. The riot police threw tear gas canisters at the protesters, which were in turn thrown back at them.

A shop was also looted and windows were smashed.

Hundreds of people, some wearing hoods to hide their identity, travelled to the Barbes Metro station to protest against police brutality.

The protests, which have been contained to the suburbs in recent weeks, erupted in Paris after a 22-year-old man known as Theo, was allegedly raped with a truncheon during a routine police check earlier this month.

Police brutality, met with brutality. The usual song and dance.

pickarooney · 16-02-2017 09:29PM

Flawless victory?

16-02-2017 09:29PM

IvyTheTerrible wrote: »

The riots are because a cop raped a guy with his baton, and when questioned said the the guys pants fell down in the scuffle and his baton " accidentally" penetrated him and caused a 4 inch tear. Now whatever you think about immigration into France, I think that counts as a problem of policing.

It's horrific, I was reading about it days ago and I'm not surprised that people are outraged and horrified. It's typical that instead of addressing peoples concerns about policing that Marine Le Pen is using it to stir up anti immigration feeling.

That poor guy, what was done to him is inhuman.

KingBrian2 · 16-02-2017 09:41PM

Candie wrote: »

It's horrific, I was reading about it days ago and I'm not surprised that people are outraged and horrified. It's typical that instead of addressing peoples concerns about policing that Marine Le Pen is using it to stir up anti immigration feeling.

That poor guy, what was done to him is inhuman.

Well based on the reports it did not happen the way some perceive it have and don't you know this will be used by the far right to portray all these people as overly sensitive when many have genuine grievances against the gvt.

Grayson · 16-02-2017 09:41PM

After googling it, here's a bit more for people that are interested.

http://www.politico.eu/article/theo-paris-riots-over-police-rape-hijack-french-campaign-racism-aulnay-sous-bois/

Apparently a youth worker intervened in an argument between police and someone he knew. He was apparently trying to deescalate the situation. He was beaten by police, pepper sprayed and anally raped by police using a truncheon. His wounds were so bad that hat he was rushed to hospital for emergency surgery on his rectum.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/feb/08/12-arrested-as-french-youths-clash-with-police-on-estates-near-paris

Earlier Théo had described the assault, saying he thought he was going to die. He said a police baton was forced into his anus and that he was then sprayed with teargas to the face and mouth and beaten to the head while officers shouted insults, including “bitch”. He said the pain from being sprayed and beaten to the head seemed “fleeting” because he was in such agony from the baton attack. “I was walking only because they were holding me up,” he said.

Shortly after, he was rushed to hospital for emergency surgery to repair his rectum. Doctors said he would be incapacitated for three months.

The police said no charges would be brought against the officers since it was an "accidental rape".

And then the riots started...

Hollande has appeared with the victim and both have called on the riots to stop.
Le Pen has said she supports the police and says the government hasn't done enough to crack down on the rioters.

And that brings us up to date. Really the incident is very reminiscent of a black lives matter issue or something like Rodney King.

Grayson · 16-02-2017 09:43PM

KingBrian2 wrote: »

Well based on the reports it did not happen the way some perceive it have and don't you know this will be used by the far right to portray all these people as overly sensitive when many have genuine grievances against the gvt.

One of the links I found whilst googling was snopes. Far right groups are saying that it's evidence of a muslim take over of neighbourhoods.

http://www.snopes.com/muslim-refugee-france-video/

IvyTheTerrible · 16-02-2017 09:45PM

Grayson wrote: »

One of the links I found whilst googling was snopes. Far right groups are saying that it's evidence of a muslim take over of neighbourhoods.

http://www.snopes.com/muslim-refugee-france-video/

Haha yeah from all the white right-voters that are just queuing up to live in Seine-St-Denis and Creteil! Who are they kidding?

DredFX · 16-02-2017 09:45PM

Grayson wrote: »

The police said no charges would be brought against the officers since it was an "accidental rape".

Only slightly more tactful than saying, "Whoops, my baton slipped."

MightyMandarin · 16-02-2017 09:50PM

The guy who was attacked, Theo, was in hospital for a number of days (could still be there idk) as they shoved the baton so far up his arse they actually ruptured his intestines.

Whatever about the legitimacy of these protests (and quite frankly if I were from his neighbourhood I'd be ****ing raging aswell), I think we can all agree that the actions of those officers are just plain sick.

KingBrian2 · 16-02-2017 09:55PM

MightyMandarin wrote: »

The guy who was attacked, Theo, was in hospital for a number of days (could still be there idk) as they shoved the baton so far up his arse they actually ruptured his intestines.

Whatever about the legitimacy of these protests (and quite frankly if I were from his neighbourhood I'd be ****ing raging aswell), I think we can all agree that the actions of those officers are just plain sick.

Agreed if they did what they are being accused of. Taking your action on the entire police force for the actions of one or a number of officers is taking the situation to extreme. Enter politics but to engage in wanton violence automatically disqualifies you. What did the business owners and fellow French citizens do to have to experience this rioters behaviour.

MightyMandarin · 16-02-2017 09:57PM

KingBrian2 wrote: »

Agreed if they did what they are being accused of. Taking your action on the entire police force for the actions of one or a number of officers is taking the situation to extreme. Enter politics but to engage in wanton violence automatically disqualifies you. What did the business owners and fellow French citizens do to have to experience this rioters behaviour.

I'm not legitimizing the violence, but the motive behind the protests is absolutely justified, and unlike that horrible woman, Le Pen, I will not use the actions of a few violent protesters as a reason to call them 'scum'.

KingBrian2 · 16-02-2017 10:02PM

MightyMandarin wrote: »

I'm not legitimizing the violence, but the motive behind the protests is absolutely justified, and unlike that horrible woman, Le Pen, I will not use the actions of a few violent protesters as a reason to call them 'scum'.

The rioters now differing news outlets will present different facts but from what i gathered the rioters have been torching cars, smashing windows and engaging in running battles with the police not to mention the looting all the hallmarks of either purposeful chaos to make a point or plain exploiting the resentment out their and trying to destabilize the French Republic.

Grayson · 16-02-2017 10:13PM

KingBrian2 wrote: »

Agreed if they did what they are being accused of. Taking your action on the entire police force for the actions of one or a number of officers is taking the situation to extreme. Enter politics but to engage in wanton violence automatically disqualifies you. What did the business owners and fellow French citizens do to have to experience this rioters behaviour.

The french high court found that the police target poor non white people in a racially prejudicial manner. The french police pretty much had their own form of stop and frisk and it was deemed to be applied with a racial bias. Plus this isn't the only example of violence by the police. A lot of the reports I read there mentioned that there have been a string of accusations of police brutality and this latest one is just particularly bad.
That's why I said that it's a bit similar to black lives matter.

Apparently a lot of people protested initially but the police crackdown was so harsh that the numbers are dwindling because people are scared of being targeted by police. Of course that wouldn't stop the violent protesters and even those that are just opportunistic rioters (kinda like the riots in the UK years ago).

Edit: You mention "if the police did what they are accused off". I have no idea how someone gets accidentally raped by a truncheon.

Banana Republican · 16-02-2017 10:20PM

Whatever happened between the police and guy with the baton is for the courts to decide. It doesn't excuse these animals rioting and the damage being caused.

Banana Republican · 16-02-2017 10:24PM

MightyMandarin wrote: »

I'm not legitimizing the violence, but the motive behind the protests is absolutely justified, and unlike that horrible woman, Le Pen, I will not use the actions of a few violent protesters as a reason to call them 'scum'.

It isnt a "few violent protesters". Watch the online videos it's hundreds of scumbags out to cause criminal damage and attacking the police. There is zero excuse for that. They are scum.

skankkuvhima · 16-02-2017 10:27PM

Banana Republican wrote: »

It isnt a "few violent protesters". Watch the online videos it's hundreds of scumbags out to cause criminal damage and attacking the police. There is zero excuse for that. They are scum.

But but but ... Le Pen!!!! It's all her fault.

SEPT 23 1989 · 16-02-2017 10:30PM

Send the legion in

Cameo · 16-02-2017 10:42PM

Banana Republican wrote: »

Whatever happened between the police and guy with the baton is for the courts to decide.

You mean the policeman with the baton and the guy this baton was used on? I agree rioters are acting scummily but this specific incident doesn't deserve to be downplayed - it's horrendous, no matter who it's by or who it's done to. Would you downplay an assault like that as "for the courts to decide" if carried out by absolutely anyone?

KingBrian2 · 16-02-2017 10:45PM

skankkuvhima wrote: »

But but but ... Le Pen!!!! It's all her fault.

They would claim it is her responsibility since allegedly the police vote for the far right. Her actions are therefore contributing to the unrest in the country. Undeniably their is an element of outsiders causing this i reckon ISIS or other subversive groups are staging this violent uprisings.

biko · 16-02-2017 10:48PM

KingBrian2 wrote: »

http://http://www.independent.ie/world-news/french-police-officer-charged-with-raping-22yearold-man-35427916.html

Ah the old double http, with no : in the link

Mrs OBumble · 16-02-2017 10:51PM

Banana Republican wrote: »

Whatever happened between the police and guy with the baton is for the courts to decide. It doesn't excuse these animals rioting and the damage being caused.

But its not, because the police have decided not to charge their member be cause it was "an accident" sic.

biko · 16-02-2017 10:54PM

It's been like this for a long time

Twenty Years of Hate: Why ‘La Haine’ is More Timely Than Ever

Riots in the Parisian suburbs

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