dog attack on sheep, please always know where your dog is

muddypaws · 30-06-2015 09:16PM

ganmo wrote: »

theres another article on agriland.ie of a calf with the skin torn off its hind leg.

a question to those of you who have dogs from rescues, did they inform you of your responsibilities around livestock?

Any rescues I know will only rehome to people with secure gardens, and not to people who allow dogs to roam.

Why have you only asked the question from a rescue point of view? What about people who buy from breeders?

ganmo · 30-06-2015 09:27PM

muddypaws wrote: »

Any rescues I know will only rehome to people with secure gardens, and not to people who allow dogs to roam.

Why have you only asked the question from a rescue point of view? What about people who buy from breeders?

because recently the dog trouble I've had has been from 'rescue' dogs
Rescues are the ones putting themselves out there as having the best interest of the dog at heart, but if they don't tell the future owners that their dog might attack sheep + other livestock if left loose they are really letting the dogs down

breeders don't claim to be educators of dog owners

So that would be a no, they don't say that a farmer can shoot any dog that is worrying stock

Joeseph Balls · 30-06-2015 09:53PM

ganmo wrote: »

because recently the dog trouble I've had has been from 'rescue' dogs
Rescues are the ones putting themselves out there as having the best interest of the dog at heart, but if they don't tell the future owners that their dog might attack sheep + other livestock if left loose they are really letting the dogs down

breeders don't claim to be educators of dog owners

So that would be a no, they don't say that a farmer can shoot any dog that is worrying stock

That could be someone just as easily trying to pass the buck either.

muddypaws · 30-06-2015 10:01PM

ganmo wrote: »

because recently the dog trouble I've had has been from 'rescue' dogs
Rescues are the ones putting themselves out there as having the best interest of the dog at heart, but if they don't tell the future owners that their dog might attack sheep + other livestock if left loose they are really letting the dogs down

breeders don't claim to be educators of dog owners

So that would be a no, they don't say that a farmer can shoot any dog that is worrying stock

Reputable breeders also have the best interest of the dog at heart, and yes, good ones do educate people about dogs.

Not sure how you got 'that would be a no, they don't say that a farmer can shoot any dog etc' from my answer, but you have an agenda, so no matter what I or other posters say, you're going to say the opposite.

A particular rescue doesn't rehome to anyone without a secure garden. They don't rehome to someone who uses an electric fence to contain a dog, as they are unreliable. They don't rehome particular breeds to someone who will allow the dog off lead, yet according to your logic, they are failing in their duty unless they specifically say 'the dog may be shot by a farmer'?

ganmo · 30-06-2015 10:38PM

muddypaws wrote: »

Reputable breeders also have the best interest of the dog at heart, and yes, good ones do educate people about dogs.

Not sure how you got 'that would be a no, they don't say that a farmer can shoot any dog etc' from my answer, but you have an agenda, so no matter what I or other posters say, you're going to say the opposite.

A particular rescue doesn't rehome to anyone without a secure garden. They don't rehome to someone who uses an electric fence to contain a dog, as they are unreliable. They don't rehome particular breeds to someone who will allow the dog off lead, yet according to your logic, they are failing in their duty unless they specifically say 'the dog may be shot by a farmer'?

Yes I have an agenda, to try and stop dogs attacking livestock. That's hardly a bad thing is it?

My question was to see if there would be any point in contacting these high profile rescues to see if they can change their new owner orientation to inform these new dog owners of their full responsibility to their new dog.

Did you read that article about the calf?

I know another farmer who lost about 29 sheep last year and other farmers have lost sheep due to dog attacks

There would have been attacks, but this is the first time on a calf.

It happens so often that it's just another hardship of sheep farming. I challenge you to find a sheep farmer who has never had dog trouble, I haven't been able to

borderlinemeath · 01-07-2015 08:30AM

ganmo wrote: »

Yes I have an agenda, to try and stop dogs attacking livestock. That's hardly a bad thing is it?

My question was to see if there would be any point in contacting these high profile rescues to see if they can change their new owner orientation to inform these new dog owners of their full responsibility to their new dog.

Did you read that article about the calf?

It happens so often that it's just another hardship of sheep farming. I challenge you to find a sheep farmer who has never had dog trouble, I haven't been able to

I think Muddypaws was pointing out that the reputable rescues will have a strict rehoming criteria, including a homecheck to ensure that the dogs garden is going to be secure against escape for many reasons, RTAs, dog attacks, and livestock attacks. Every rehoming is done on a case by case basis, and some of the larger rescues tend to be less flexible in their approach. That's not to say that smaller rescues will rehome to people who don't have secure enclosures, they won't, but there's lots of less reputable places that masquerade as "rescues" that don't homecheck and will hand out a dog to the first person with the rehoming fee. There's one close to me that never homecheck, or even vaccinate or microchip but it's on their website that the dogs are vacc'ed and chipped. They've even rehomed a couple of dogs that I know of that were in pup, that's how slapdash they are. These type of rescues are all over the place, so targeting "rescues" because the owners are irresponsible isn't going to amount to much.

Also anybody can walk into a pound and rehome a dog, neutered, unneutered (more chance of roaming), unvaccinated and not chipped, and a lot of people will also call these "rescue dogs" because technically they rescued them from the pound, but not a rescue. People who work in most pounds tend to be council employees who wouldn't have the first clue about responsible ownership or good animal husbandry.

muddypaws · 01-07-2015 10:54AM

ganmo wrote: »

Yes I have an agenda, to try and stop dogs attacking livestock. That's hardly a bad thing is it?

My question was to see if there would be any point in contacting these high profile rescues to see if they can change their new owner orientation to inform these new dog owners of their full responsibility to their new dog.

Did you read that article about the calf?

It happens so often that it's just another hardship of sheep farming. I challenge you to find a sheep farmer who has never had dog trouble, I haven't been able to

Your agenda seems to me, to be anti all dogs and dog owners. Do you ever read the threads in here? The vast majority of people posting in API are responsible dog owners, who are well aware of the laws and stick to them.

Why would you issue me with such a challenge? When have I ever said its not a problem? I spent over €20,000 on fencing to keep my dogs contained, I walk them on two leads every time we go out, why? Because of their breed, and the fact that we are now surrounded by sheep. Yet you still seem intent to provoke an argument with me. Should I go and start a fight in the farming forum about how irresponsible all farmers are, because my neighbour allowed two horses to wander and come into my field a couple of weeks ago? Or how about the other farmer who moved his cattle without sufficient supervision, and they ended up galloping down my lane out of control, thankfully my young son had come into the house from playing out there only about 10 minutes earlier. Are all farmers informed of their responsibilities when they buy livestock from the mart, or from another farmer?

Unfortunately accidents can happen, dogs can get out even from the best owners, and in those circumstances, you would expect the owner to cover the loss incurred by the farmer, with no arguments. Irresponsible dog owners won't care where their dog is and what it is getting up to, but the chances of finding those owners in this forum are incredibly slim.

ganmo · 22-07-2015 06:55PM

http://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/dog-attack-on-wicklow-sheep-farm/

And again
Owner willing to put down one of the dogs but not the other...strange

DBB · 22-07-2015 07:13PM

Just to note, the photo with that article is not from that attack.
I find it very odd that the warden discussed what the judge may or may not do in this case, in such a public forum.

ganmo · 22-07-2015 07:34PM

DBB wrote: »

Just to note, the photo with that article is not from that attack.
I find it very odd that the warden discussed what the judge may or may not do in this case, in such a public forum.

My reading of it is that it hasn't reached the courts yet. And the warden is stating that if the owners don't cooperate a judge will have to be the one to make the decision which is just stating the law

But as one of the dogs is a restricted breed the owners are(should be) in deep water anyway

DBB · 22-07-2015 08:00PM

They might get an extra fine for not obeying the restricted breeds legislation, amounting to a couple of hundred quid at most.
The punishment for worrying livestock bears no relation to the breed, so I wouldn't be too convinced they'll be in significantly more trouble just because one of the dogs is an RB.

ganmo · 22-07-2015 09:24PM

i know its separate charges, i thought uncontrolled rb is up to 2,000,
worrying livestock is a criminal conviction

ganmo · 18-09-2015 06:02PM

Another nasty one in Westmeath... Great Dane and a newfi. 17 dead sheep and more MIA

andreac · 18-09-2015 08:05PM

ganmo wrote: »

Another nasty one in Westmeath... Great Dane and a newfi. 17 dead sheep and more MIA

Oh no. How awful. Those poor sheep.

Kovu · 19-09-2015 10:00AM

http://www.farmersjournal.ie/bad-dog-on-the-run-in-leitrim-188353/

This bollocks is causing havoc around here. Last count was over 50 killed :mad:

ganmo · 27-11-2015 11:00PM

And again...
http://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/warning-graphic-pics-dog-attack-on-pedigree-sheep-flock-costs-farmer-e3500/

a big and a small

ganmo · 05-02-2016 03:17PM

http://www.farmersjournal.ie/15-ewes-savaged-by-dogs-in-wicklow-199585/

http://www.wicklownews.net/2016/02/concern-at-dog-attacks-on-sheep-during-lambing-season/

Similar area doesn't look like the same incident though.

In the Wicklow town region we’ve seen 12 to 15 attacks in the last seven months.

edit: it actually is the same farm

ganmo · 11-03-2016 09:53PM

numerous articles in the farming press about dog attacks in the last few weeks

including over 100 killed in england

I've asked ppl walking their dogs on the track near us to put their dog on the lead and have been told the regular response..."my dog..." such ignorance is maddening

ganmo · 08-12-2016 02:15PM

http://www.farmersjournal.ie/quarter-of-flock-wiped-out-in-dog-attack-240786

5dead, 6 going to be put down

all pregnant

ganmo · 13-02-2017 07:47PM

had to shoot a dog yday

kathleen37 · 13-02-2017 09:23PM

What did you do with the dog? Did you get it checked for a chip?

I have to say I think it's terrible, terrible that the dog was shot. But owners that let their dogs roam give me the rage. Not the dog's fault they cause so much damage.

I guess it could be the case of a dog getting out somehow, which is again just really, really sad...

No winners in this situation.

ganmo · 13-02-2017 09:38PM

kathleen37 wrote: »

What did you do with the dog? Did you get it checked for a chip?

I have to say I think it's terrible, terrible that the dog was shot. But owners that let their dogs roam give me the rage. Not the dog's fault they cause so much damage.

I guess it could be the case of a dog getting out somehow, which is again just really, really sad...

No winners in this situation.

It was been walked so a simple lead would mean it would be still alive.

No chip.

Dog warden took it. But by the sounds of it no fines were issued so I'm kinda regretting it tbh. We depend on the coco for enforcing the dog controls but they don't seem to want to.

Joeseph Balls · 14-02-2017 08:08AM

ganmo wrote: »

It was been walked so a simple lead would mean it would be still alive.

No chip.

Dog warden took it. But by the sounds of it no fines were issued so I'm kinda regretting it tbh. We depend on the coco for enforcing the dog controls but they don't seem to want to.

He probably thought loosing their dog and cost of stock may have been enough and didn't want to fine them ?

Knine · 14-02-2017 08:40AM

Joeseph Balls wrote: »

He probably thought loosing their dog and cost of stock may have been enough and didn't want to fine them ?

Losing their dog through their own irresponsibility is enough? The poor dog paid with it's life. These type of dog owners give us all a bad name & they should face huge fines.

Joeseph Balls · 14-02-2017 08:55AM

Knine wrote: »

Losing their dog through their own irresponsibility is enough? The poor dog paid with it's life. These type of dog owners give us all a bad name & they should face huge fines.

Hey I'm not the warden, I'm just trying to figure it out too.

knucklehead6 · 14-02-2017 09:33AM

ganmo wrote: »

had to shoot a dog yday

That's a pity Ganmo, but you have to protect your livelihood.

I'm a regular hillwalker and the amount of times we have people demanding that they are allowed to bring their dogs on our hikes is astounding.

I never take my two out on hikes as i believe it to be cruel. If they are on lead they have all these new smells and scents to explore and can't, and if off lead then they are in danger from a farmer who is legitimately defending his livestock.

Reading about that person who posted two years ago who thought their dog was 'playing' with the sheep... :rolleyes:

ganmo · 14-02-2017 11:50AM

Joeseph Balls wrote: »

He probably thought loosing their dog and cost of stock may have been enough and didn't want to fine them ?

cost of stock???

i'm not goin to see a penny.

ganmo · 14-02-2017 12:03PM

Joeseph Balls wrote: »

Hey I'm not the warden, I'm just trying to figure it out too.

the only reason for me to involve the warden in future cases is to take the dead dog away and inform the owners!

hell i could of posted a pic of the dead dog onto the owners fb lost dog post and let the crows do their thing to the poor dogs body. aslong as i've told the guards that i've shot a dog i have no further obligation

razorblunt · 14-02-2017 12:12PM

I have to say I would be of the thinking "my dog wouldn't hurt a sheep", she recently had 5 teeth taken out! But what I had never considered is what the potential effects of chasing would do to the livestock. I think I actually learned that from a similar thread on here before (thankfully that was before I had my dog).

There's a walk I go on regularly where one area is through a farm, so you're expected to put the dog on the lead, the other is across what looks like open land, but there are a dozen of so sheep, it's also advised to put a lead on your dog here, mainly due to a sharp drop down to the reservoir. The amount of dogs off the lead there is shocking.

ganmo · 14-02-2017 12:27PM

razorblunt wrote: »

I have to say I would be of the thinking "my dog wouldn't hurt a sheep", she recently had 5 teeth taken out! But what I had never considered is what the potential effects of chasing would do to the livestock. I think I actually learned that from a similar thread on here before (thankfully that was before I had my dog).

There's a walk I go on regularly where one area is through a farm, so you're expected to put the dog on the lead, the other is across what looks like open land, but there are a dozen of so sheep, it's also advised to put a lead on your dog here, mainly due to a sharp drop down to the reservoir. The amount of dogs off the lead there is shocking.

one of the worst excuses a dog walker used for not putting their dog on a lead...'she's 7!'... the day that a 7yo tore most of the wool off a sheep

dog attack on sheep, please always know where your dog is

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