dog attack on sheep, please always know where your dog is

sillysmiles

Can I ask, where are these people walking that they are walking through your sheep? Is it hill ground or mountainy? Or are people actually walking into your field of sheep?

ganmo

sillysmiles wrote: »

Can I ask, where are these people walking that they are walking through your sheep? Is it hill ground or mountainy? Or are people actually walking into your field of sheep?

on coilte ground right beside us.
there are coilte signs asking ppl to keep their dogs on leads on the strech beside us...but surprise surprise no dog walker sees them...they must be walking their guide dog

Ms Doubtfire1

ehm..you shot a dog while the owner was present?? or do i misunderstand that?

ganmo

Ms Doubtfire1 wrote: »

ehm..you shot a dog while the owner was present?? or do i misunderstand that?

you misunderstand

Ms Doubtfire1

so how do you know it was being walked?

skallywag

Ms Doubtfire1 wrote: »

ehm..you shot a dog while the owner was present?? or do i misunderstand that?

I personally have no qualms whatsoever about shooting a dog who is on my property and putting my animals in distress, regardless of whether the owner is anywhere to be seen or not.

Ms Doubtfire1

skallywag wrote: »

Ms Doubtfire1 wrote: »

ehm..you shot a dog while the owner was present?? or do i misunderstand that?

I personally have no qualms whatsoever about shooting a dog who is on my property and putting my animals in distress, regardless of whether the owner is anywhere to be seen or not.

you might have a problem with the gardai than. But that's your problem. I'm the same. I will shoot any farmers life stock that trespassers on my land and upsets my horses- after the second warning.

skallywag

Ms Doubtfire1 wrote: »

you might have a problem with the gardai than. But that's your problem..

I have yet to hear about anyone I know getting into difficulty with the authorities for shooting a dog / group of dogs which was chasing cattle or sheep on their land.

ganmo

Ms Doubtfire1 wrote: »

so how do you know it was being walked?

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ganmo

Ms Doubtfire1 wrote: »

you might have a problem with the gardai than. But that's your problem. I'm the same. I will shoot any farmers life stock that trespassers on my land and upsets my horses- after the second warning.

you really need to read the control of dogs act.
esp where it says that anybody who shoots a dog that is worrying livestock can use it as a defence once they notify the guards with 48hours

if you shoot livestock you'll be in trouble even if they are tresspassing

Ms Doubtfire1

Ms Doubtfire1 wrote: »

you might have a problem with the gardai than. But that's your problem. I'm the same. I will shoot any farmers life stock that trespassers on my land and upsets my horses- after the second warning.

You don't understand the law do you. A dog loose on private property can be shot legally due to the very real danger of harming livestock. They don't even have to be in the act of worrying them just being loose on the property is enough and regardless of the owner being there or not. Now a of course a bit of common sense can be applied depending on the circumstances* but legally a farmer is within is rights.

On the other hand you have no right to shoot other livestock, there is no comparison whatsoever and be prepared to get the cheque book out if you do.

skallywag

The last thing that any farmer will usually want to do is to kill an animal. If the dog can be removed from the livestock in any other way then of course I am going to do that. But if a dog is in a frenzy (and I believe that many dog owners may be truly shocked by the level of frenzy that their dog will get worked up into while chasing sheep, cows, etc) chasing my animals, and I'm expected not to shoot it? Give me a break ...

Ms Doubtfire1

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ganmo wrote: »

Ms Doubtfire1 wrote: »

you might have a problem with the gardai than. But that's your problem. I'm the same. I will shoot any farmers life stock that trespassers on my land and upsets my horses- after the second warning.

you really need to read the control of dogs act.
esp where it says that anybody who shoots a dog that is worrying livestock can use it as a defence once they notify the guards with 48hours

if you shoot livestock you'll be in trouble even if they are tresspassing

pe - i checked that too.With the gardai.I'm entirely in my right. IF they are doing damage.Which, in the last 3 cases that happened, they did. The last cattle trespassing on my land also had Bovine TB.

Graces7

I have just moved again into sheep country. All my new neighbours have been assured that my dog is NEVER, EVER alone outside, and that the gates and fences are dog proof.For my peace of mind as well as theirs.

The time before, my landlord and i checked each other out; he made sure my dogs were well within my control and I made sure his fences were stock proof.

Like many farmers, he grazes stock far from home and we all know well the huge suffering and damage a dog can do to ewes in lamb.

Ms Doubtfire1

skallywag wrote: »

The last thing that any farmer will usually want to do is to kill an animal. If the dog can be removed from the livestock in any other way then of course I am going to do that. But if a dog is in a frenzy (and I believe that many dog owners may be truly shocked by the level of frenzy that their dog will get worked up into while chasing sheep, cows, etc) chasing my animals, and I'm expected not to shoot it? Give me a break ...

And that I can live with. My dogs are never unsupervised and we don't go near land where there is sheep. I have 3 goats and they don't bother them, i'm quite confident they wouldn't bother sheep but I won't risk that. What i do oppose to is the straight forward statement : I'll shoot any dog on my land. And there's plenty of farmers who will.There even was a case recently where a farmer shot 2 dogs pojnt blank whilst they were back under control with their owners.Afaik there's a courtcase coming for that.

Nekarsulm

Ms Doubtfire1 wrote: »

no

pe - i checked that too.With the gardai.I'm entirely in my right. IF they are doing damage.Which, in the last 3 cases that happened, they did. The last cattle trespassing on my land also had Bovine TB.

So I am entitled to shoot any sheep or cow that steps onto my land and eats my grass or a shrub?
Never knew that.

A couple of neighbours round here are going to get their eyes opened

Thanks for the info!

Lady Haywire

Ms Doubtfire1 wrote: »

no

pe - i checked that too.With the gardai.I'm entirely in my right.

I'd go back and check that again!! I think you're liable even if you put them onto a public road and they hit a car. Only way livestock are supposed to be shot is by an army marksman and that is only done when the animals can't be rounded up safely.

ganmo

Ms Doubtfire1 wrote: »

And that I can live with. My dogs are never unsupervised and we don't go near land where there is sheep. I have 3 goats and they don't bother them, i'm quite confident they wouldn't bother sheep but I won't risk that. What i do oppose to is the straight forward statement : I'll shoot any dog on my land. And there's plenty of farmers who will.There even was a case recently where a farmer shot 2 dogs pojnt blank whilst they were back under control with their owners.Afaik there's a courtcase coming for that.

again read the contol of dog act, it says 'worrying' livestock. if the sheep run away from your dog they have been worried and your dog could be shot

ya i've heard mad stories. and i've also witnessed dog owners attack farmers for shooting dogs well within their rights. and dog owners pulling their dog away from a sheep and making no effort to treat the sheep, or inform the farmer. theres a thread in the sheep forum 3weeks back where a dog owner said their dog 'had a go' at a sheep but i doubt they said anythin to the farmer.

ganmo

Ms Doubtfire1 wrote: »

no

pe - i checked that too.With the gardai.I'm entirely in my right. IF they are doing damage.Which, in the last 3 cases that happened, they did. The last cattle trespassing on my land also had Bovine TB.

so animals with tb can be shot?! better warn the wildlife!

Lady Haywire

Ms Doubtfire1 wrote: »

no

pe - i checked that too.With the gardai.I'm entirely in my right. IF they are doing damage.Which, in the last 3 cases that happened, they did. The last cattle trespassing on my land also had Bovine TB.

No, the farmer is liable for the damage, if you shot the cattle then you would be the one in trouble.

ganmo

http://www.independent.ie/business/farming/sheep/killer-dog-still-on-the-loose-despite-hunt-by-11-gun-crew-35449996.html non graphic has an actual picture of the dog

http://www.independent.ie/business/farming/sheep/warning-graphic-content-almost-20-sheep-killed-in-dog-attack-that-leaves-family-facing-more-trauma-35448008.html and a separate incident. graphic images included

sillysmiles

If you have cattle or livestock on your property I think you report them to Dept of Agri and the have them impounded??? Cattle owners are easily identified by the tag numbers.

razorblunt

ganmo wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/business/farming/sheep/killer-dog-still-on-the-loose-despite-hunt-by-11-gun-crew-35449996.html non graphic has an actual picture of the dog

http://www.independent.ie/business/farming/sheep/warning-graphic-content-almost-20-sheep-killed-in-dog-attack-that-leaves-family-facing-more-trauma-35448008.html and a separate incident. graphic images included

Earlier reports were that it was a Beagle, right? That doesn't look like a beagle at all.

muddypaws

Ms Doubtfire1 wrote: »

And that I can live with. My dogs are never unsupervised and we don't go near land where there is sheep. I have 3 goats and they don't bother them, i'm quite confident they wouldn't bother sheep but I won't risk that. What i do oppose to is the straight forward statement : I'll shoot any dog on my land. And there's plenty of farmers who will.There even was a case recently where a farmer shot 2 dogs pojnt blank whilst they were back under control with their owners.Afaik there's a courtcase coming for that.

If its the case that I think it is, you shouldn't believe everything you read on Facebook

DBB

I would be very interested indeed to know what part of our legislation under which the guards advised anyone that it's okay to shoot livestock that's trespassing on their land :eek:

Hoboo

DBB wrote: »

I would be very interested indeed to know what part of our legislation under which the guards advised anyone that it's okay to shoot livestock that's trespassing on their land :eek:

Gardai creating overtime for themselves

ganmo

razorblunt wrote: »

Earlier reports were that it was a Beagle, right? That doesn't look like a beagle at all.

http://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/calls-for-army-to-be-brought-in-to-deal-with-a-dog-thats-killing-sheep-in-wexford/

Described in that article as a cross between a gs and a greyhound. Haven't heard anything about a beagle recently

MayoAreMagic

Ms Doubtfire1 wrote: »

What i do oppose to is the straight forward statement : I'll shoot any dog on my land. And there's plenty of farmers who will.

Do you not realise that farmers are taking this approach because so many dog owners are flouting their responsibilities and taking the approach that 'I know my dog and he wont chase sheep', when they don't actually know the animal at all. Then the dog ends up chasing or injuring sheep - which they then don't act on and hope nobody finds out. Then he does it again, only this time he seriously wounds or kills them...

Like do people think farmers are some group of psychotics who run around shooting dogs for kicks? They care for more animals than anyone don't forget. Id argue they have saved as many animals as any vet, and it isn't just for profit - the ones they are saving are usually runts, who will never be anything else. But they still get saved, often through lots of time and expense.
No farmer wants to kill a healthy young dog, but they are being given no choice because or the, frankly arrogant attitudes of dog owners who think that because they house trained their 1 dog, they are now dog and indeed animal phycology experts, while the farmers who have cared for 100s of animals throughout their lives - dogs included - are just thickos who grab grants from the government. It is that disconnect that is the root of the problem. If dog owners just made the most eminently reasonable of changes to put their animal on a lead around livestock and make sure they are not getting out at night, then there would be no issues.

It is frankly depressing that people who supposedly care so much about animals, cant bring themselves to do even that.

PucaMama

ganmo wrote: »

It was been walked so a simple lead would mean it would be still alive.

No chip.

Dog warden took it. But by the sounds of it no fines were issued so I'm kinda regretting it tbh. We depend on the coco for enforcing the dog controls but they don't seem to want to.

You say it was being walked. Was it with its owner? Under control? Out of control? Trying to understand why you shot it here.

kathleen37

PucaMama wrote: »

You say it was being walked. Was it with its owner? Under control? Out of control? Trying to understand why you shot it here.

I'm genuinely being respectful here, as I think that so many people are unaware of what can happen to sheep when they are chased. Sheep die of fright. They flock together and the whole flock can die. A dog doesn't have to touch them for this to happen. Pregnant ewes can abort. And this can happen with not one sheep actually being touched by a dog. Needless to say, if a dog attacks a sheep, then that outcome is also devastating.

I've been a veg for over 35 years. I've been involved in animal/wildlife rescue for nearly as long. I genuinely love animals, especially dogs (and sheep)

But I completely understand why farmers shoot dogs which are unrestrained and have potential to destroy a flock.

Which is why it gives me the complete rage that some people don't care enough about their animals to protect them from being shot unnecessarily.