Boundary Extension for City?

Max Powers · 09-02-2017 07:48PM

Michael Kavanagh wrote: »

This is not about who is more important that is a Waterford opinion if you wont to see property prices in kilkenny, Waterford that shows where people want to live where house prices are stronger in kilkenny . I must go down to Waterford take over your house see how you react, it would take me as long to go to Waterford as it would to go to Dublin I don't have to use the M9 which somebody famously said here it was built because of Waterford it is the most less used motorway in Ireland.

Pretty sure that is incorrect about m9, saw stats from nra showing busier than other motorways some time ago but hey doesn't fit in with bad mouthing Waterford vitriol.

Deiseen · 09-02-2017 07:49PM

Max Powers wrote: »

robtri wrote: »

What protestations?

I have asked simple questions and not been answered. reading this thread its not about whats best for Waterford, it is bashing KK and saying how crap they have dealt with South KK and that it will be wonderous under WCC..

Considering how badly Waterford city is, I would say its not a promising prospect for most people living in the effect area's.

this thread is a litany of we are better than thou KK people....

Your questions have been answered numerous times, you didn't like the answers so you gave a poor response dismissing nearly all in an ill attempt to deny the positives for the area and bad mouthing Waterford, which is where the against side show their real thoughts, contempt for Waterford and region.

All the Waterford people's posts are about the area in question. All the Kilkenny posts involve Waterford bashing. You have lads coming down, who appear to have the intellect and literacy skills of a 6 year old, coming on and spitting venom. It's actually fairly entertaining.

Deiseen · 09-02-2017 07:51PM

Max Powers wrote: »

Michael Kavanagh wrote: »

This is not about who is more important that is a Waterford opinion if you wont to see property prices in kilkenny, Waterford that shows where people want to live where house prices are stronger in kilkenny . I must go down to Waterford take over your house see how you react, it would take me as long to go to Waterford as it would to go to Dublin I don't have to use the M9 which somebody famously said here it was built because of Waterford it is the most less used motorway in Ireland.

Pretty sure that is incorrect about m9, saw stats from nra showing busier than other motorways some time ago but hey doesn't fit in with bad mouthing Waterford vitriol.

You are right here, saw the same stats. Won't change their minds thou. Also if the motorway is underused then that affects Kilkenny more than us!!! But sure there you go.

Michael Kavanagh · 09-02-2017 08:00PM

Deiseen wrote: »

If you take IDA jobs alone, then Waterford has almost more jobs than the other counties in the South East combined. If this does not point towards a city that is an regional economic driver then I don't know what is.

It's also interesting to note that Kilkenny has the least amount of IDA related jobs, even less than Carlow which has about 50% of the population of KK. I wonder why this is?

Why then when the downturn came that the likes of Waterford, Carlow were so badly hit , kilkenny was thriving

Michael Kavanagh · 09-02-2017 09:50PM

Deiseen wrote: »

You are right here, saw the same stats. Won't change their minds thou. Also if the motorway is underused then that affects Kilkenny more than us!!! But sure there you go.

Why was it proposed to toll it then a couple of years ago

Aquos76 · 09-02-2017 09:57PM

Im wondering just how many kilkenny people on here are actually that bothered by all of this anyway, sure there isn't even a thread on it in the Kilkenny forum.

kayaksurfbum · 09-02-2017 10:06PM

Aquos76 wrote: »

Im wondering just how many kilkenny people on here are actually that bothered by all of this anyway, sure there isn't even a thread on it in the Kilkenny forum.

Very True. I spoke to a few customers of mine in KK and they couldn't give a crap about ferrybank. They consider it Waterford city anyway.

azimuth17 · 09-02-2017 10:17PM

"All the Waterford people's posts are about the area in question. All the Kilkenny posts involve Waterford bashing. You have lads coming down, who appear to have the intellect and literacy skills of a 6 year old, coming on and spitting venom. It's actually fairly entertaining."

Its hard not to agree with this summary from Deiseen. Fanaticism of the type visible here from some obviously KK posters hides fear. I worked in Kilkenny for a time and most people there could not give a toss about Ferrybank or anywhere south of Ballyhale for that matter. South of Mullinavat was "Waterford"!

kayaksurfbum · 09-02-2017 10:24PM

I could have a guess that most of the submissions aposing the boundery were spouting the waterford is sh1te KK is great crap. If that was the case they would not be considered in the report at all! Therefore 19000 unconstructive submissions in the shredder!

robtri · 09-02-2017 11:47PM

Max Powers wrote: »

Your questions have been answered numerous times, you didn't like the answers so you gave a poor response dismissing nearly all in an ill attempt to deny the positives for the area and bad mouthing Waterford, which is where the against side show their real thoughts, contempt for Waterford and region.

take ur chip off ur shoulder, the they are all against us Card... it gets boring after the first 500 times it is used around here

No where has anyone stated what WCC will do for the area that KK have not done..
WCC in their submission havent even explained what they will do...

if you actually read this thread it is mainly Waterford bashing KK.. by a long way...

I see nothing wrong with WCC running the area... or at least being very heavily involved. and KK should not have deciding vote on the area especially in relation to services and planning. Rates collected should be spent on the area in an agreed budget.

Michael Kavanagh · 10-02-2017 12:48AM

Cabaal wrote: »

Honestly I think the lack of discussion reflects that most people in County Kilkenny simply don't care too much about it.

Ok there are people like McGuinness and Aylward saying silly things like its an "Act Of War" or “They'll do it over my dead body". But they certainly don't reflect everyone in Kilkenny or even a majority. Even the fact that the Kilkenny People is running such a story I'd take with a tonne of salt.

Aylward is just trying to look like the big man as he's elected in South Kilkenny so he'll say anything he thinks goes well with people in the area and McGuinness will say anything that he thinks will get him votes from some people.

You have to remember that McGuinness at least didn't want to upset rural voters so much that he voted no in the marriage equality vote in 2015. He's also FF but all his election posters have that fact pretty well hidden and he really just does his own thing.

Personally I think the people that should have the say in this are the people living in the area that will be effected.

McGuinness vote would be Kilkenny city, is it not a free country what way he voted you must be well in with him

Michael Kavanagh · 10-02-2017 01:08AM

azimuth17 wrote: »

"All the Waterford people's posts are about the area in question. All the Kilkenny posts involve Waterford bashing. You have lads coming down, who appear to have the intellect and literacy skills of a 6 year old, coming on and spitting venom. It's actually fairly entertaining."

Its hard not to agree with this summary from Deiseen. Fanaticism of the type visible here from some obviously KK posters hides fear. I worked in Kilkenny for a time and most people there could not give a toss about Ferrybank or anywhere south of Ballyhale for that matter. South of Mullinavat was "Waterford"!

You seem to be an encilopidia on a lot of things from the ardee hotel where two councils gave it planning permission, but talking to somebody that works in planning not in Waterford reckons that the centre of Waterford will be a no go area with the slums that were built in the boom they should not have been allowed to go ahead , You should ask the natives around Ballyhale, or Mullinavat are they from Waterford, or kilkenny I know the answer you would receive.

Cabaal · 10-02-2017 07:50AM

Michael Kavanagh wrote: »

McGuinness vote would be Kilkenny city, is it not a free country what way he voted you must be well in with him

I'm aware of where his vote is.
As for marriage ref he openly advertised his no vote, a vote pref that went against his party line. I think it's odd he advertised such things which leads me to believe he did it to get votes from certain demographics, he likely believed no would win I'm guessing. Of course it's backfired for him.

he's always basically acted like a independent (including with his posters) doing whatever populist crap he can.

Irishlad2014 · 10-02-2017 09:33AM

kayaksurfbum wrote: »

I could have a guess that most of the submissions aposing the boundery were spouting the waterford is sh1te KK is great crap. If that was the case they would not be considered in the report at all! Therefore 19000 unconstructive submissions in the shredder!

Of those 19000 submissions 18300 were the same photocopied letter.

Max Powers · 10-02-2017 09:51AM

robtri wrote: »

take ur chip off ur shoulder, the they are all against us Card... it gets boring after the first 500 times it is used around here

No where has anyone stated what WCC will do for the area that KK have not done..
WCC in their submission havent even explained what they will do...

if you actually read this thread it is mainly Waterford bashing KK.. by a long way...

I see nothing wrong with WCC running the area... or at least being very heavily involved. and KK should not have deciding vote on the area especially in relation to services and planning. Rates collected should be spent on the area in an agreed budget.

That's laughable, yourself and m kavanagh have done nothing but try to bash Waterford and region in last few days.no chip here, just pointing out your questions have been answered few times now including myself .Waterford has already done more for south kk than kk has, if you can't see that you're blind.

Deiseen · 10-02-2017 10:04AM

Michael Kavanagh wrote: »

azimuth17 wrote: »

"All the Waterford people's posts are about the area in question. All the Kilkenny posts involve Waterford bashing. You have lads coming down, who appear to have the intellect and literacy skills of a 6 year old, coming on and spitting venom. It's actually fairly entertaining."

Its hard not to agree with this summary from Deiseen. Fanaticism of the type visible here from some obviously KK posters hides fear. I worked in Kilkenny for a time and most people there could not give a toss about Ferrybank or anywhere south of Ballyhale for that matter. South of Mullinavat was "Waterford"!

You seem to be an encilopidia on a lot of things from the ardee hotel where two councils gave it planning permission, but talking to somebody that works in planning not in Waterford reckons that the centre of Waterford will be a no go area with the slums that were built in the boom they should not have been allowed to go ahead , You should ask the natives around Ballyhale, or Mullinavat are they from Waterford, or kilkenny I know the answer you would receive.

1. What the hell is an "encilopidia"?
2. What the hell is the "ardee"?
3. Come on now, you don't know ANYBODY in planning. If you do then god help us all.
4. What slums are these now? Name one please.
5. Ballyhale and Mullinavat are 100% Kilkenny. The boundary extension doesn't go anywhere near them at all. But you probably don't know that. From the sounds of it, you don't even know where Mullinavat and Ballyhale are, because I've no idea why you would make that statement.

azimuth17 · 10-02-2017 10:08AM

It has been widely flagged on Facebook that the area to be conceded by Kilkenny to Waterford city mostly conforms to the historic boundary of Waterford city. Many of the obviously KK posters do not seem to be aware of just how tight the commissions proposal is. The Port of Waterford would still be in co KIlkenny. On a general point, the Waterford Waster Water Plant at Gorteens which cost nearly €100m was the single biggest thing that happened to the area as it effectively serviced all the land between the city and Snowhill for development purposes. Without that plant, and the huge investment made by Waterford Port, Glanbia for instance would not be in Belview.

Max Powers · 10-02-2017 10:57AM

azimuth17 wrote: »

It has been widely flagged on Facebook that the area to be conceded by Kilkenny to Waterford city mostly conforms to the historic boundary of Waterford city. Many of the obviously KK posters do not seem to be aware of just how tight the commissions proposal is. The Port of Waterford would still be in co KIlkenny. On a general point, the Waterford Waster Water Plant at Gorteens which cost nearly €100m was the single biggest thing that happened to the area as it effectively serviced all the land between the city and Snowhill for development purposes. Without that plant, and the huge investment made by Waterford Port, Glanbia for instance would not be in Belview.

Thanks azimuth,I wouldn't be too sure on anything off Facebook, interesting though.I mentioned the water treatment plant a few days ago but it was ignored by some of the rabid anti Waterford posters here.

Johnboy1951 · 10-02-2017 11:33AM

azimuth17 wrote: »

It has been widely flagged on Facebook that the area to be conceded by Kilkenny to Waterford city mostly conforms to the historic boundary of Waterford city. ....

Where might one view that 'historic boundary'?

Thanks.

beazee · 10-02-2017 11:38AM

Mid 19th century map.
All the Kilculliheen is marked as Waterford.

Here's the Boundary Commission proposal:

What struck me the most was submissions count:
250 - from Kilculliheen, Co. Kilkenny (the very area in question)
299 - from Waterford
16,239 Kilkenny City+Kilkenny Rural (8 formats of the same letter, all delivered in hardcopies, all had to be scanned)

In case you haven't read the report: here's linky

jmcc · 10-02-2017 01:10PM

So does this mean that the KKers upset with this are campaigning to keep the borders the British set?

Regards...jmcc

gobo99 · 10-02-2017 01:54PM

azimuth17 wrote: »

It has been widely flagged on Facebook that the area to be conceded by Kilkenny to Waterford city mostly conforms to the historic boundary of Waterford city....

While the area of Kilculliheen has changed sides a few times its wrong to say it was originally Waterford city. The boundary was the river originally. How could it have been part of Waterford City when there wasn't even a proper bridge till 1800?
These areas of Dunkitt and Kilmacow have always been part of Kilkenny. It's sad to see so many Waterford posters being so flippant about breaking up communities that have been built over generations. We're hardly going to give up centuries of tradition for John Cummins bags of magic beans.

zulutango · 10-02-2017 02:04PM

jmcc wrote:

So does this mean that the KKers upset with this are campaigning to keep the borders the British set?

Aren't all the counties British inventions?

zulutango · 10-02-2017 02:06PM

gobo99 wrote:

While the area of Kilculliheen has changed sides a few times its wrong to say it was originally Waterford city. The boundary was the river originally. How could it have been part of Waterford City when there wasn't even a proper bridge till 1800? These areas of Dunkitt and Kilmacow have always been part of Kilkenny. It's sad to see so many Waterford posters being so flippant about breaking up communities that have been built over generations. We're hardly going to give up centuries of tradition for John Cummins bags of magic beans.

Breaking up communities? You'd swear they were planning to build a huge wall. This is about more sensible management of what is a single urban/economic entity. Nobody's land is being taken. No communities are being broken up.

Harry Palmr · 10-02-2017 02:13PM

gobo99 wrote: »

It's sad to see so many Waterford posters being so flippant about breaking up communities that have been built over generations. We're hardly going to give up centuries of tradition for John Cummins bags of magic beans.

You can still visit your neighbours, watch Kilkenny GAA teams, but you'll no longer need to put "via" on your postal addresses.

beazee · 10-02-2017 02:16PM

gobo99 wrote: »

How could it have been part of Waterford City when there wasn't even a proper bridge till 1800?

From said report:

While the south-bank city centre continues to exhibit all the natural evolution of Irish cities through the centuries, no such evidence exists on the north bank. The river at this location was not effectively bridged until 1793 – a river ferry having sufficed for the purposes of linking to the north shore for centuries previously—and it was not until 1910 that a bridge with traffic capacity that would ease commerce between opposite banks was provided.

Jamie2k9 · 10-02-2017 02:21PM

Anyone hear Bulter on WLRFM, sort of changing her position and according to her FF want discussion with communities affected and said she believed those would have a lot of support for the change....

gobo99 · 10-02-2017 02:34PM

zulutango wrote: »

Breaking up communities? You'd swear they were planning to build a huge wall. This is about more sensible management of what is a single urban/economic entity. Nobody's land is being taken. No communities are being broken up.

Of course they're being broken up. Part of the parish in a different county, provence, constituency, diocese?

BBM77 · 10-02-2017 02:34PM

gobo99 wrote: »

While the area of Kilculliheen has changed sides a few times its wrong to say it was originally Waterford city. The boundary was the river originally. How could it have been part of Waterford City when there wasn't even a proper bridge till 1800?
These areas of Dunkitt and Kilmacow have always been part of Kilkenny. It's sad to see so many Waterford posters being so flippant about breaking up communities that have been built over generations. We're hardly going to give up centuries of tradition for John Cummins bags of magic beans.

What in the name of JASUS are you on about??

gobo99 · 10-02-2017 02:36PM

beazee wrote: »

From said report:

There was no development on the north of the river so anyone who claims it was ever part of the city is lying.

Boundary Extension for City?

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