Michael Kavanagh wrote: » This is not about who is more important that is a Waterford opinion if you wont to see property prices in kilkenny, Waterford that shows where people want to live where house prices are stronger in kilkenny . I must go down to Waterford take over your house see how you react, it would take me as long to go to Waterford as it would to go to Dublin I don't have to use the M9 which somebody famously said here it was built because of Waterford it is the most less used motorway in Ireland.
Max Powers wrote: » robtri wrote: » What protestations? I have asked simple questions and not been answered. reading this thread its not about whats best for Waterford, it is bashing KK and saying how crap they have dealt with South KK and that it will be wonderous under WCC.. Considering how badly Waterford city is, I would say its not a promising prospect for most people living in the effect area's. this thread is a litany of we are better than thou KK people.... Your questions have been answered numerous times, you didn't like the answers so you gave a poor response dismissing nearly all in an ill attempt to deny the positives for the area and bad mouthing Waterford, which is where the against side show their real thoughts, contempt for Waterford and region.
robtri wrote: » What protestations? I have asked simple questions and not been answered. reading this thread its not about whats best for Waterford, it is bashing KK and saying how crap they have dealt with South KK and that it will be wonderous under WCC.. Considering how badly Waterford city is, I would say its not a promising prospect for most people living in the effect area's. this thread is a litany of we are better than thou KK people....
Max Powers wrote: » Michael Kavanagh wrote: » This is not about who is more important that is a Waterford opinion if you wont to see property prices in kilkenny, Waterford that shows where people want to live where house prices are stronger in kilkenny . I must go down to Waterford take over your house see how you react, it would take me as long to go to Waterford as it would to go to Dublin I don't have to use the M9 which somebody famously said here it was built because of Waterford it is the most less used motorway in Ireland. Pretty sure that is incorrect about m9, saw stats from nra showing busier than other motorways some time ago but hey doesn't fit in with bad mouthing Waterford vitriol.
Deiseen wrote: » If you take IDA jobs alone, then Waterford has almost more jobs than the other counties in the South East combined. If this does not point towards a city that is an regional economic driver then I don't know what is. It's also interesting to note that Kilkenny has the least amount of IDA related jobs, even less than Carlow which has about 50% of the population of KK. I wonder why this is?
Deiseen wrote: » You are right here, saw the same stats. Won't change their minds thou. Also if the motorway is underused then that affects Kilkenny more than us!!! But sure there you go.
Aquos76 wrote: » Im wondering just how many kilkenny people on here are actually that bothered by all of this anyway, sure there isn't even a thread on it in the Kilkenny forum.
Max Powers wrote: » Your questions have been answered numerous times, you didn't like the answers so you gave a poor response dismissing nearly all in an ill attempt to deny the positives for the area and bad mouthing Waterford, which is where the against side show their real thoughts, contempt for Waterford and region.
Cabaal wrote: » Honestly I think the lack of discussion reflects that most people in County Kilkenny simply don't care too much about it. Ok there are people like McGuinness and Aylward saying silly things like its an "Act Of War" or “They'll do it over my dead body". But they certainly don't reflect everyone in Kilkenny or even a majority. Even the fact that the Kilkenny People is running such a story I'd take with a tonne of salt. Aylward is just trying to look like the big man as he's elected in South Kilkenny so he'll say anything he thinks goes well with people in the area and McGuinness will say anything that he thinks will get him votes from some people. You have to remember that McGuinness at least didn't want to upset rural voters so much that he voted no in the marriage equality vote in 2015. He's also FF but all his election posters have that fact pretty well hidden and he really just does his own thing. Personally I think the people that should have the say in this are the people living in the area that will be effected.
azimuth17 wrote: » "All the Waterford people's posts are about the area in question. All the Kilkenny posts involve Waterford bashing. You have lads coming down, who appear to have the intellect and literacy skills of a 6 year old, coming on and spitting venom. It's actually fairly entertaining." Its hard not to agree with this summary from Deiseen. Fanaticism of the type visible here from some obviously KK posters hides fear. I worked in Kilkenny for a time and most people there could not give a toss about Ferrybank or anywhere south of Ballyhale for that matter. South of Mullinavat was "Waterford"!
Michael Kavanagh wrote: » McGuinness vote would be Kilkenny city, is it not a free country what way he voted you must be well in with him
kayaksurfbum wrote: » I could have a guess that most of the submissions aposing the boundery were spouting the waterford is sh1te KK is great crap. If that was the case they would not be considered in the report at all! Therefore 19000 unconstructive submissions in the shredder!
robtri wrote: » take ur chip off ur shoulder, the they are all against us Card... it gets boring after the first 500 times it is used around here No where has anyone stated what WCC will do for the area that KK have not done.. WCC in their submission havent even explained what they will do... if you actually read this thread it is mainly Waterford bashing KK.. by a long way... I see nothing wrong with WCC running the area... or at least being very heavily involved. and KK should not have deciding vote on the area especially in relation to services and planning. Rates collected should be spent on the area in an agreed budget.
Michael Kavanagh wrote: » azimuth17 wrote: » "All the Waterford people's posts are about the area in question. All the Kilkenny posts involve Waterford bashing. You have lads coming down, who appear to have the intellect and literacy skills of a 6 year old, coming on and spitting venom. It's actually fairly entertaining." Its hard not to agree with this summary from Deiseen. Fanaticism of the type visible here from some obviously KK posters hides fear. I worked in Kilkenny for a time and most people there could not give a toss about Ferrybank or anywhere south of Ballyhale for that matter. South of Mullinavat was "Waterford"! You seem to be an encilopidia on a lot of things from the ardee hotel where two councils gave it planning permission, but talking to somebody that works in planning not in Waterford reckons that the centre of Waterford will be a no go area with the slums that were built in the boom they should not have been allowed to go ahead , You should ask the natives around Ballyhale, or Mullinavat are they from Waterford, or kilkenny I know the answer you would receive.
azimuth17 wrote: » It has been widely flagged on Facebook that the area to be conceded by Kilkenny to Waterford city mostly conforms to the historic boundary of Waterford city. Many of the obviously KK posters do not seem to be aware of just how tight the commissions proposal is. The Port of Waterford would still be in co KIlkenny. On a general point, the Waterford Waster Water Plant at Gorteens which cost nearly €100m was the single biggest thing that happened to the area as it effectively serviced all the land between the city and Snowhill for development purposes. Without that plant, and the huge investment made by Waterford Port, Glanbia for instance would not be in Belview.
azimuth17 wrote: » It has been widely flagged on Facebook that the area to be conceded by Kilkenny to Waterford city mostly conforms to the historic boundary of Waterford city. ....
azimuth17 wrote: » It has been widely flagged on Facebook that the area to be conceded by Kilkenny to Waterford city mostly conforms to the historic boundary of Waterford city....
jmcc wrote: So does this mean that the KKers upset with this are campaigning to keep the borders the British set?
gobo99 wrote: While the area of Kilculliheen has changed sides a few times its wrong to say it was originally Waterford city. The boundary was the river originally. How could it have been part of Waterford City when there wasn't even a proper bridge till 1800? These areas of Dunkitt and Kilmacow have always been part of Kilkenny. It's sad to see so many Waterford posters being so flippant about breaking up communities that have been built over generations. We're hardly going to give up centuries of tradition for John Cummins bags of magic beans.
gobo99 wrote: » It's sad to see so many Waterford posters being so flippant about breaking up communities that have been built over generations. We're hardly going to give up centuries of tradition for John Cummins bags of magic beans.
gobo99 wrote: » How could it have been part of Waterford City when there wasn't even a proper bridge till 1800?
While the south-bank city centre continues to exhibit all the natural evolution of Irish cities through the centuries, no such evidence exists on the north bank. The river at this location was not effectively bridged until 1793 – a river ferry having sufficed for the purposes of linking to the north shore for centuries previously—and it was not until 1910 that a bridge with traffic capacity that would ease commerce between opposite banks was provided.
zulutango wrote: » Breaking up communities? You'd swear they were planning to build a huge wall. This is about more sensible management of what is a single urban/economic entity. Nobody's land is being taken. No communities are being broken up.
gobo99 wrote: » While the area of Kilculliheen has changed sides a few times its wrong to say it was originally Waterford city. The boundary was the river originally. How could it have been part of Waterford City when there wasn't even a proper bridge till 1800? These areas of Dunkitt and Kilmacow have always been part of Kilkenny. It's sad to see so many Waterford posters being so flippant about breaking up communities that have been built over generations. We're hardly going to give up centuries of tradition for John Cummins bags of magic beans.
beazee wrote: » From said report:
