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Boundary Extension for City?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,883 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    azimuth17 wrote: »
    It might better be spent on the area in which it is collected. It is interesting that the rates from Belview business represent nearly one seventh of KKCC rate take. That county always had, other than agricultural land which was derated in 1977, a very low commercial rate base. They spent very little in south Kilkenny and especially on the immediate hinterland of Waterford city over the years. I cannot remember even a single council house being built. Whether or which, a legal process has been completed. An independent boundary commission established by the Minister for the Environment (or Local Government as he was previously known) has reported and its recommendations will have to be examined. Who can say in this country of ours, where that might lead us?

    Wonder will waterfords apparent new BFF help divert finds from CUH to fund a Cath lab and from UCC to WIT now that he's discovered a new found fetish for all things blue and white?
    Seems the obvious solution to me if they're in the same hospital grouping and so many patients from Waterford south Kk and Wexford are referred down there any ways.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,787 ✭✭✭Deiseen


    Lads ye are just basically arguing amongst yourselves at this stage. It's a bit ridiculous.

    You say there's been zero to say how this will help but a few days ago a report came out about how Dublin is eating Ireland due to unbalanced regional development, it's even down to you boys at this stage.

    Kilkenny has a hard enough time attracting jobs as it is (so do we) and it's not going to get any easier unless Waterford develops and is able to counter act the pull from Dublin, Cork Limerick and Galway.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,583 ✭✭✭Suryavarman


    road_high wrote: »
    Shock horror a county spending rates it collects as it sees fit...I don't comment on how or where Waterford council spends their rates because quite frankly I don't care because that's their right as an entitity to do as they see fit. Funny how they have a far higher debt burden when the populations are not a whole lot different despite the "very low commercial rates base". Waterford does not sound like a very enticing prospect if I was looking for increased services in south KK...jesus, is it really any of your business where it is spent? And have you detailed evidence as to how they spend every cent or is the usual anecdotes and hearsay?

    It's easy for Kilkenny to have a low debt burden when it gets 1/7th of its revenue from an area it spends nothing on.

    Likewise Waterford is going to have a higher debt burden when it has to spend money providing services to the people of South Kilkenny without being able to collect any money from them.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 114 ✭✭Michael Kavanagh


    If Waterford were that interested in becoming the central hub for the south east, why didn't Wit come together with Carlow it create a university for the south east.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    Because it would make no practical sense - all that would happen is you'd end up with two campuses which are too far apart for proper co-operation and with competing county based political interests vis a vis money


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 114 ✭✭Michael Kavanagh


    Because it would make no practical sense - all that would happen is you'd end up with two campuses which are too far apart for proper co-operation and with competing county based political interests vis a vis money[/QUO
    Rubbish


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,849 ✭✭✭✭Jamie2k9


    If Waterford were that interested in becoming the central hub for the south east, why didn't Wit come together with Carlow it create a university for the south east.

    Carlow IT standards are lower than WIT's one big reason, I could guarantee had it been Cork IT and WIT it would of happened no problem.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 114 ✭✭Michael Kavanagh


    Jamie2k9 wrote: »
    Carlow IT standards are lower than WIT's one big reason, I could guarantee had it been Cork IT and WIT it would of happened no problem.
    It was people like Padraig coffey and other poloticans from Waterford that put there say in.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,787 ✭✭✭Deiseen


    Jamie2k9 wrote: »
    Carlow IT standards are lower than WIT's one big reason, I could guarantee had it been Cork IT and WIT it would of happened no problem.
    It was people like Padraig coffey and other poloticans from Waterford that put there say in.

    Do you know anything about the situation other than being Anti-Waterford? Cause you quiet obviously don't.

    Generally when people don't know anything they tend to keep quiet for fear of making an eejit of themselves....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,583 ✭✭✭Suryavarman


    If Waterford were that interested in becoming the central hub for the south east, why didn't Wit come together with Carlow it create a university for the south east.

    1. Doing so would leave WIT much further away from being a university because Carlow IT's standards are so low.

    2. The idea is completely ridiculous. The main campuses of both colleges are 80km away from each other. Only the imbeciles in Dail Eireann could think it would be a good idea to amalgamate both.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,256 ✭✭✭azimuth17


    I believe that for Waterford city to develop in a coherent manner that it should also be developed on it's northern side. A coherent development would , in my view be best done under one local authority to avoid duplication and cost implications. people who have not been argued into a point of view, can rarely be argued out of that point of view. I imagine (if I may) road-high living in Abbey Park or Slieverue dreaming up reasons to defend Kilkenny against the ambitions of the "invader". The Dept of the Environment(formerly Local Government) is charged with overseeing the administration of this country and its governing legislation allows for the creation of an independent legally constituted Boundary Commission to take submissions (rather like An Bórd Pleanála) and come up with a decision on a boundary review. They have heard all the submissions and their report is with the minister. I do not when it may be published but I hear, for example, that Slieverue and the Port will be excluded from any boundary change. I think that would be madness, but if that's the recommendation? In the meantime a lot of the discourse here is futile and leads to insults being traded, which helps no one?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 114 ✭✭Michael Kavanagh


    Deiseen wrote: »
    Do you know anything about the situation other than being Anti-Waterford? Cause you quiet obviously don't.

    Generally when people don't know anything they tend to keep quiet for fear of making an eejit of themselves....
    What do you know it seems not a lot, insulting people which seems the lot down there. Waterford city and the people that lived in it had it good for a long time with Waterford glass and other industries that went due to the attidudes strikes etc . One example of the difference between kilkenny, Waterford, the smithwicks brewery site was baought back by the people of kilkenny to regenerate the area for the city County, I was down in Waterford a couple of years ago on the quays that old hotel on the hill which looked terrible broken windows sheet blowing on the front of it graffite every where why didn't the council do something about it. Waterford is gone down a long ways towards what it was but a lot of people would agree with me even worldwide there attidude is deplorable. May be if ye did something for yourselves get out of your shells the world has changed ye allways had a thing with kilkenny begrudging Waterford means very little to me Carlow, kildare, Wexford, even Tipperary I would have more dealings with them than Waterford.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,107 ✭✭✭O Riain


    Deiseen wrote: »
    Do you know anything about the situation other than being Anti-Waterford? Cause you quiet obviously don't.

    Generally when people don't know anything they tend to keep quiet for fear of making an eejit of themselves....
    What  do  you  know  it  seems  not  a  lot,  insulting  people  which  seems  the lot down  there. Waterford  city  and  the  people  that  lived  in  it  had  it  good for  a  long  time  with  Waterford  glass  and  other  industries  that  went  due  to the attidudes  strikes  etc . One  example  of  the  difference  between  kilkenny, Waterford, the  smithwicks   brewery  site  was baought  back  by the people of kilkenny  to  regenerate  the  area  for  the city  County, I  was  down in  Waterford a  couple  of  years ago  on  the quays  that old  hotel  on  the hill which looked  terrible  broken  windows  sheet  blowing  on  the  front  of  it graffite  every where  why  didn't  the  council  do  something about  it. Waterford  is  gone  down  a  long ways  towards  what  it  was  but  a lot of  people  would agree  with  me even  worldwide  there attidude  is deplorable. May be  if  ye  did  something  for  yourselves  get   out  of  your shells the  world  has  changed  ye  allways  had  a  thing  with kilkenny  begrudging  Waterford  means  very  little  to me  Carlow, kildare, Wexford, even Tipperary  I  would have  more  dealings  with  them   than  Waterford.
    The bad attitude of all the counties in the South East swings both ways.
    Waterford must mean a lot to you if you get that worked up about the place.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 114 ✭✭Michael Kavanagh


    O Riain wrote: »
    The bad attitude of all the counties in the South East swings both ways.
    Waterford must mean a lot to you if you get that worked up about the place.
    There ye go blaming somebody else for yer own problems that were caused by the people of Waterford city there selves.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    Why are some Kilkenny people so bothered by this? The Burghers of Kilkenny "City" have not given a tuppypenny damn about anything south of Mulinavat for decades, if ever. The City of Waterford will get logical room to stretch it's legs and the population this involves will simply become part of what they already use for education, work, shopping, entertainment, family visits, healthcare, indeed almost everything except praying to God probably.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,090 ✭✭✭gw80


    There ye go blaming somebody else for yer own problems that were caused by the people of Waterford city there selves.

    Would ya go way boy would ya,
    Ya havent a clue,😉


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 110 ✭✭cats pyjamas


    1. Doing so would leave WIT much further away from being a university because Carlow IT's standards are so low.

    2. The idea is completely ridiculous. The main campuses of both colleges are 80km away from each other. Only the imbeciles in Dail Eireann could think it would be a good idea to amalgamate both.

    But the argument from many (both in submissions and on Boards) was all about benefiting the whole SE region and not just Waterford. This has been shown to be complete bulls**t by the attitude of posters and politicians from Waterford. It is driven by naked self interest only and nowhere more obvious than the last couple of comments about rates from the Port.

    KK and Wat aren't really competing with each other to get jobs - there are very few manufacturing jobs in KK for example. The 140 jobs announced by Cartoon Saloon is one example of the way Kilkenny have been looking at alternatives to manufacturing jobs which, although they bring money into the area, can have many drawbacks in the medium to long term. But neither are the 2 counties working together to bring jobs either because every politician wants to bring jobs to their own constituency. Look at Dawn Meats, physically in Kilkenny but the postal address is Waterford just so a politically connected people could say that they brought X amount of jobs to Waterford.

    I can actually see some benefit of Ferrybank being controlled by Waterford but a lot of people are deluded if they think Waterford coco is going to do a whole lot more than Kilkenny did. We had posters here complaining about a lack of amenities in the area but, when asked (repeatedly), they couldn't say what they wanted.

    There is plenty of land available in the area so why the need to take in Slieverue and Belleview? You can excuse Kilkenny people feeling aggrieved and shove your condescending remarks about Kilkenny people (and the whole SE region for that matter) because this has nothing to do with Waterford driving the regional economy. It is all about money for Waterford and Waterford alone.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,510 ✭✭✭Max Powers


    But the argument from many (both in submissions and on Boards) was all about benefiting the whole SE region and not just Waterford. This has been shown to be complete bulls**t by the attitude of posters and politicians from Waterford. It is driven by naked self interest only and nowhere more obvious than the last couple of comments about rates from the Port.

    KK and Wat aren't really competing with each other to get jobs - there are very few manufacturing jobs in KK for example. The 140 jobs announced by Cartoon Saloon is one example of the way Kilkenny have been looking at alternatives to manufacturing jobs which, although they bring money into the area, can have many drawbacks in the medium to long term. But neither are the 2 counties working together to bring jobs either because every politician wants to bring jobs to their own constituency. Look at Dawn Meats, physically in Kilkenny but the postal address is Waterford just so a politically connected people could say that they brought X amount of jobs to Waterford.

    I can actually see some benefit of Ferrybank being controlled by Waterford but a lot of people are deluded if they think Waterford coco is going to do a whole lot more than Kilkenny did. We had posters here complaining about a lack of amenities in the area but, when asked (repeatedly), they couldn't say what they wanted.

    There is plenty of land available in the area so why the need to take in Slieverue and Belleview? You can excuse Kilkenny people feeling aggrieved and shove your condescending remarks about Kilkenny people (and the whole SE region for that matter) because this has nothing to do with Waterford driving the regional economy. It is all about money for Waterford and Waterford alone.

    No its all about kk jersey stuff and contempt for Waterford and region.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,583 ✭✭✭Suryavarman


    But the argument from many (both in submissions and on Boards) was all about benefiting the whole SE region and not just Waterford. This has been shown to be complete bulls**t by the attitude of posters and politicians from Waterford. It is driven by naked self interest only and nowhere more obvious than the last couple of comments about rates from the Port.

    KK and Wat aren't really competing with each other to get jobs - there are very few manufacturing jobs in KK for example. The 140 jobs announced by Cartoon Saloon is one example of the way Kilkenny have been looking at alternatives to manufacturing jobs which, although they bring money into the area, can have many drawbacks in the medium to long term. But neither are the 2 counties working together to bring jobs either because every politician wants to bring jobs to their own constituency. Look at Dawn Meats, physically in Kilkenny but the postal address is Waterford just so a politically connected people could say that they brought X amount of jobs to Waterford.

    I can actually see some benefit of Ferrybank being controlled by Waterford but a lot of people are deluded if they think Waterford coco is going to do a whole lot more than Kilkenny did. We had posters here complaining about a lack of amenities in the area but, when asked (repeatedly), they couldn't say what they wanted.

    There is plenty of land available in the area so why the need to take in Slieverue and Belleview? You can excuse Kilkenny people feeling aggrieved and shove your condescending remarks about Kilkenny people (and the whole SE region for that matter) because this has nothing to do with Waterford driving the regional economy. It is all about money for Waterford and Waterford alone.

    Having a university in WAterford provides a lot more benefit to the region than waiting decades for Carlow to get up to the standard needed for Waterford and Carlow to have a a joint university.

    Waterford is the only urban area in the Southeast that is big enough to drive economic growth in the region. Everywhere else is far too small.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,256 ✭✭✭azimuth17


    There are so many errors written in the past few posts that I thought a couple corrections might be helpful.

    The Ardree Hotel is half in Waterford city and county Kilkenny , the boundary runs right through it, hence its derelict state was the responsibility of both local authorities. Waterford city council have pursued the owners to remedy the situation and the hotel has been reported as sold in recent weeks.

    The postal address of Dawn Meats in Grannagh was not altered for political reasons. The rule has always been that mail is directed to places using the nearest post town or city. Glenmore was always accurately addressed as Glenmore Waterford, Mullinavat Waterford, Kilmacow Waterford. This was a Post Office regulation and nothing else.

    I walk the Waterford Greenway regularly and the biggest eyesore is an old factory in Newrath. people over there told me it used to be Gouldings fertilisers.

    A lot of the response from obvious Kilkenny posters have failed to accept or are unwilling to accept that the regions that have done best are those with a strong regional city. To get that accepted in Kilkenny is a quite difficult job. The results are visible in the entire regional economy with unemployment still the highest in the land at some 10.5%


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,473 ✭✭✭robtri


    so what will WCC do for Ferrybank?
    what changes will be made?


    an interesting read from 1999


    Politicians on both sides of the border are at loggerheads over a territorial claim from the south.
    This row, however, has nothing to do with Northern politics: the border in question separates Waterford from Kilkenny, and councillors from Kilkenny are determined that it will stay exactly where it is.
    Politicians in Waterford want the boundary redrawn to allow Waterford city to expand and take in part of what is now south Kilkenny. A proposal that Waterford Corporation applies to the Government for such an extension will be debated at next month's meeting of the city council.
    Kilkenny County Council has got its retaliation in first, voting unanimously last month to oppose any such move.
    However, the man who has tabled the Waterford City Council motion, Cllr Davy Walsh of the Workers' Party, claims the attitude of some in Kilkenny is resonant of the "not an inch" mentality which has dogged Northern politics. He says he has cross-party support for his proposal, which has been publicly backed by the local Fine Gael TD, Mr Austin Deasy.
    The move to expand the city into Kilkenny follows a wrangle between Waterford Corporation and Kilkenny County Council over housing development.
    An application by Waterford Corporation for permission to build 99 local authority houses in Ferrybank, an area which straddles Waterford city and Kilkenny, was turned down by Kilkenny County Council. An Bord Pleanala upheld the corporation's appeal, however, and work on the development is set to begin before the end of the year.
    These won't be the first houses Waterford Corporation will own in Kilkenny. It has already built 158 on land purchased in the county 30 years ago. The problem, argues Cllr Walsh, is that when current developments are completed, the corporation will have no more room for expansion north of the Suir river, which separates Ferrybank from the rest of the city.
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    "Waterford is being developed in a lopsided way at the moment. It's as if Dublin was told `You can't build on the north side of the Liffey. You can only expand to the south,' " he says.
    It's not good enough, he adds, for Waterford Corporation to be simply building houses in Kilkenny. "We're being asked to play a passive role when we need to actively ensure that all of the infrastructure is put in place to support such developments, and that it's done cohesively."
    But couldn't the city's growth be managed in co-operation between the two authorities? Mr Walsh claims Kilkenny County Council is simply not interested in developing the area.
    This is vigorously disputed by the Kilkenny councillor and TD, Mr Liam Aylward, who says there is now a high level of co-operation between the two bodies, which didn't exist in the past.
    Partnership developments are the key to the future, "instead of being divisive and looking for a borough boundary extension which would offend everyone in south Kilkenny", he added.
    The good relations between the two authorities had not been damaged by Kilkenny's refusal of planning permission for the 99-house Ferrybank development, he said.
    Mr Walsh's motion does not specify how much expansion Waterford city requires. The intention is to seek the agreement in principle of the Minister for the Environment and Local Government, Mr Dempsey, and to proceed from there.
    In effect, Kilkenny is being asked to do what Waterford County Council did in 1980, when Waterford Corporation paid it £1 million in return for a boundary extension which enabled the city to expand to five times its size. It was Cllr Walsh who proposed the motion which put that move into effect.
    A key factor on that occasion is missing this time, however. Mr Aylward says boundary changes are only feasible where there is agreement between the local authorities concerned.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/waterford-and-kilkenny-in-boundary-row-1.243293


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,107 ✭✭✭O Riain


    O Riain wrote: »
    The bad attitude of all the counties in the South East swings both ways.
    Waterford must mean a lot to you if you get that worked up about the place.
    There  ye  go blaming  somebody  else  for  yer  own  problems  that  were caused  by  the  people  of  Waterford  city there selves.
    I have no idea what you are on about, in any of your posts. Not a single clue.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,107 ✭✭✭O Riain


    O Riain wrote: »
    The bad attitude of all the counties in the South East swings both ways.
    Waterford must mean a lot to you if you get that worked up about the place.
    There  ye  go blaming  somebody  else  for  yer  own  problems  that  were caused  by  the  people  of  Waterford  city there selves.
    I have no idea what you are on about, in any of your posts. Not a single clue.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,256 ✭✭✭azimuth17


    I think Robtri is approaching the issue from the wrong end. the real question to be asked is what will a boundary extension do for Waterford city?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 114 ✭✭Michael Kavanagh


    But the argument from many (both in submissions and on Boards) was all about benefiting the whole SE region and not just Waterford. This has been shown to be complete bulls**t by the attitude of posters and politicians from Waterford. It is driven by naked self interest only and nowhere more obvious than the last couple of comments about rates from the Port.

    KK and Wat aren't really competing with each other to get jobs - there are very few manufacturing jobs in KK for example. The 140 jobs announced by Cartoon Saloon is one example of the way Kilkenny have been looking at alternatives to manufacturing jobs which, although they bring money into the area, can have many drawbacks in the medium to long term. But neither are the 2 counties working together to bring jobs either because every politician wants to bring jobs to their own constituency. Look at Dawn Meats, physically in Kilkenny but the postal address is Waterford just so a politically connected people could say that they brought X amount of jobs to Waterford.

    I can actually see some benefit of Ferrybank being controlled by Waterford but a lot of people are deluded if they think Waterford coco is going to do a whole lot more than Kilkenny did. We had posters here complaining about a lack of amenities in the area but, when asked (repeatedly), they couldn't say what they wanted.

    There is plenty of land available in the area so why the need to take in Slieverue and Belleview? You can excuse Kilkenny people feeling aggrieved and shove your condescending remarks about Kilkenny people (and the whole SE region for that matter) because this has nothing to do with Waterford driving the regional economy. It is all about money for Waterford and Waterford alone.
    Manufacturing industries are in the past in this country it was as well Kilkenny didn't go down that road .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 700 ✭✭✭kayaksurfbum


    Manufacturing industries are in the past in this country it was as well Kilkenny didn't go down that road .

    That sounds like a child shouting, "i didn't want to play football with ye anyway".


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,256 ✭✭✭azimuth17


    The tone of Mr Kavanagh's posts suggests he is mired in a 19th century vision of manufacturing industry as all hammers, soot, shovels and dirt. Apple employ nearly 6500 in Cork in manufacturing and R&D. Genzyme, now Sanofi have invested nearly €600 million and rising in their specialised biotech plant at Old Kilmeaden Road in Waterford. Mr Kavanagh has probably never even seen it.....or the adjacent new WEST Pharma plant. Should Waterford not have competed for these industries? Throwing verbal and written stones at Waterford because you don't like a proposed boundary extension is useful to no one.


  • Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 9,109 Mod ✭✭✭✭Aquos76


    I have the report here in front of me now, makes interesting reading.


  • Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 9,109 Mod ✭✭✭✭Aquos76


    Some snippets from the report
    The Committee’s considerations are summarised as follows:

    1. The public consultation invited by the Committee as part of its work elicited
    19,131 submissions, not including those from Waterford Local Authority and
    Kilkenny County Councils themselves. Of these, 19,096 opposed any change in the
    existing boundary. The overwhelmingly singular basis upon which such opposition
    was based related to the potential loss of identity with Kilkenny County.

    2. Notwithstanding the high level of recognition that the Committee gives to the
    significance of “county identity” in the cultural and social life of Irish people, the
    review had, due to its terms of reference, to consider all relevant matters,
    particularly practical issues related to the most effective administration of the
    functions of local government in an area that is proximate to the principal centre
    of population for the entire South-East region – this being formally identified at
    national level through its designation as one of the principal “Gateway” locations
    in the country.

    3. In relation to delivering efficiencies through re-designation, there has already been
    significant reform. A focus on the most efficient means of service delivery by local
    government was a direct consequence of the threat to the financial stability of the
    state precipitated by the international financial crisis. Both local authorities in this
    case have demonstrated a high level of commitment to their respective
    communities, and it is the Committee’s view that there is very limited, if any,
    scope for delivery of further efficiencies in day-to-day service delivery costs
    through a range of reconfiguration of boundaries that it has examined. The
    investigation carried out by the Committee has identified a high level of
    collaborative engagement between authorities in the delivery of day-to-day
    services by each authority to its constituent populations. The dedication of the
    elected Councillors in each area was abundantly in evidence; they are real servants
    of their respective communities notwithstanding the complex boundary between
    them. In this regard, the fruitful consultation with those Councillors, and the
    extent to which each Council provided extensive amounts of the baseline
    information requested by the Committee (supporting their respective positions
    and responding to detailed questions), is greatly appreciated by the Review
    Committee. Notwithstanding this, it is our analysis that collaboration between the
    two authorities is significantly less in evidence at strategic level than it is at
    operational. For example, no joint Retail Strategy has been developed between
    the authorities, and there is no implementation plan or joint working group to
    deliver the jointly-adopted Planning and Land-Use Study since its initiation in 2004.

    4. The Committee views the current configuration, designated at times of far lower
    economic activity and lesser population growth and with little or no provision for
    future expansion within its boundaries, as a practical hindrance to day-to-day
    service delivery and a real anomaly where it comes to dealing with the immediate
    hinterland of Waterford as the principal regional settlement. Waterford’s relative
    lower level of economic performance in comparison with other designated
    Gateways requires that it has the capacity most fundamentally to consolidate the
    core of the city to the greatest extent possible. This must include control over any
    matter that poses a threat to that consolidation. Waterford city’s success in terms
    of the promotion of its individual identity around the city centre in recent years is
    acknowledged. It requires every support to turn this initiative into economic
    success, through implementation of a successful Strategic Development Zone
    (SDZ) recently designated on the North Quays. All these regionally strategic
    initiatives to promote the primacy of the city are supported by Waterford’s
    partner local authorities in the South-East region, particularly Kilkenny.
    The summary of the Committee’s recommendation to the Minister is as follows:
    A. The Waterford Boundary Review Committee recommends the abandonment
    of the existing impractical boundary designation in favour of the designation
    of an area to Waterford that gives it effective control of the immediate
    hinterland of the city that has expanded on the north bank of the Suir. This
    designation includes provision for the expansion of that area to cater for the
    forecast population and economic growth of the regional centre.

    B. The Committee recommends a Boundary Extension of Waterford County into
    Kilkenny County Council to include the area proximate to the suburban area in
    Ferrybank. It has chosen to recommend the designation of a new Boundary
    between the Authorities that will move the entire Electoral Area of
    Kilculliheen and those parts of the Electoral Areas of Aglish and Dunkitt
    contained within the Area of Interest that lie south of the of the N25 bypass to
    the control of Waterford Council. This revision would have the effect of
    retaining the entire Electoral Area of Rathpatrick to the east in county
    Kilkenny, thereby retaining the village of Slieverue and the port at Belview and
    its hinterland in that county. The Boundary as recommended follows those
    electoral area boundaries that follow the line of an existing stream, a minor
    tributary of the Suir.

    C. In deciding a recommendation on the extent of such re-designation the
    Committee recognises the extent to which Kilkenny County Council has, over
    successive decades, invested very significant strategic focus on this area at its
    southern end. Kilkenny has successfully promoted and developed Belview as
    the new location for the Waterford-based shipping industry. In so doing, it has
    followed many international precedents where the changing nature of
    maritime trading, and resulting re-configuration of land-side ports, has
    rendered historically city-oriented ports obsolete. The argument for a physical
    connection with the city is rendered weaker by these practicalities; the
    current location of Belview port is unhindered by city traffic and highly
    accessible from the national motorway network, making it an effectively
    regional facility. In addition, Kilkenny has largely preserved the green belt of
    agricultural-use land between the port and area of residential settlement that
    enhances the range of uses that can be located in the port area. Similarly, in
    relation to the local village settlements, the Committee accepts the advantage
    offered by Kilkenny that these places accrue from their individual identity.

    D. For practical purposes the designation of the boundary was primarily based on
    the 2004 Planning Land Use and Transportation Strategy (PLUTS) designation
    of land-use and future land-use blocks and follows Townland and natural
    boundaries (the stream that is a very minor tributary or run-off to the Suir) to
    the greatest extent possible. It is recognised that other boundaries, such as
    parish boundaries, will not fall so naturally on one side or the other of the
    recommended line, but there is a limit to what can be equitably divided.

    E. Kilkenny County Council will suffer a loss of Commercial Rates and Residential
    Property Tax income arising from this boundary change that is immediately
    and accurately identifiable. It will have to be compensated by Waterford
    County for such loss of income, such loss being discounted by the relief from
    the requirement to provide day-to-day services in the area in question. The
    Committee is conscious that such saving will not be significant due to Kilkenny
    Council’s requirement to maintain its compliment of service infrastructure and
    manpower in the south county despite the lesser population and area to be
    served.

    F. The population living within the proposed boundary extension area in County
    Kilkenny is estimated at about 4,500. The effect of transferring this area to
    Waterford is likely to be an increase of one councillor in Waterford
    Metropolitan District and a reduction of two councillors in the Piltown
    Municipal District of Kilkenny County Council. As this would result in the
    membership of the Municipal District dropping below the statutory minimum
    of six elected members, it would be necessary to reconfigure all of the
    Municipal Districts within County Kilkenny.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 986 ✭✭✭Jambo


    Kilkenny People reporting that the boundary commission has recommended extending the Waterford Border into South KK.

    http://www.kilkennypeople.ie/news/home/234410/huge-concern-in-south-kilkenny-as-waterford-landgrab-is-recommended.html

    Edit Story is also being reported on KCLR Fm

    Link includes links to the report

    https://kclr96fm.com/breaking-south-kilkenny-residents-find-waterford-boundary-review-published/


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