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Eir rural FTTH thread

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  • #3332
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,054 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    cabledude wrote: »
    What will this entail/look like.

    Thread on it here - http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057332672

    http://www.dccae.gov.ie/communications/en-ie/Broadband/Pages/National-Broadband-Plan-Map-.aspx


  • #3333
    cabledude
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 842 ✭✭✭cabledude


    The Cush wrote: »
    Any other wireless providers in the area, see the IOL map - http://irelandoffline.org/map/#/map
    Good man yourslef. Thanks for that.

    According to the map, I'm marginal for Imagine and my site survey confirmed that.... This is a good tool.

    Its suggests Ripplecom and Regional broadband. Anyone have any feedback on these two?

    Ripplecom are 8MB speeds with 100Gb allowance for €49.99
    Regional are offering 15Mb with unlimited allowance for the same €49.99.

    Anyone have experience with any of these providers.


  • #3334
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,054 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    cabledude wrote: »
    Good man yourslef. Thanks for that.

    According to the map, I'm marginal for Imagine and my site survey confirmed that.... This is a good tool.

    Its suggests Ripplecom and Regional broadband. Anyone have any feedback on these two?

    Ripplecom are 8MB speeds with 100Gb allowance for €49.99
    Regional are offering 15Mb with unlimited allowance for the same €49.99.

    Anyone have experience with any of these providers.

    Probably requires a new thread, off topic for this one.


  • #3335
    cabledude
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 842 ✭✭✭cabledude


    The Cush wrote: »
    Probably requires a new thread, off topic for this one.
    I know. Before I posted the question I searched on here for info. Very little.

    Back on topic......


  • #3336
    Peppa Cig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,005 ✭✭✭Peppa Cig


    Do all blue lines from exchange have to be cabled/splice boxes etc before the exchange serving those blue lines goes live?


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  • #3337
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 31,118 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Peppa Cig wrote: »
    Do all blue lines from exchange have to be cabled/splice boxes etc before the exchange serving those blue lines goes live?
    From what I can see, the exchanges are often live with FTTC first.

    The installation teams appear to be doing one exchange at a time.

    It seems though that an entire area is spliced up before going live. but it is possible for some blue lines to be finished before others and those lines go live with the others following later.


  • #3338
    jd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,784 ✭✭✭jd


    cabledude wrote: »
    Anyone here help me. I'm looking at the fibre rollout map and it looks as though my house is not on a blue line. Does that mean that I will never be able to avail of broadband through the phone line.? Confused!!

    We have Eir poles outside the house but the exchange, Adamstown in Wexford, is not broadband enabled at the minute. Will this fibre rollout mean we might get some creed of internet after it has been upgraded even if its not fibre? Not looking for 1000 Mbps speeds. 30-50 would be fine.

    How far are you from the exchange in Adamstown Village? - if you are within 1.7 km or so you may be able to get VDSL when the the service is launched.
    ADT1_E01

    Fibre Broadband Cabinet is planned for this location


  • #3339
    Gwynston
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 919 ✭✭✭Gwynston


    The Cush wrote: »
    In the last few days they begun marking poles on the planned blue line routes in my area with the letters S or F.

    The exchange (MRO1_E01) is scheduled for FTTH in H2 this year, poles for replacement were marked as defective late last year but no pole replacement or hedge cutting work carried out yet.
    MBSnr wrote: »
    Yesterday the lads were out cutting trees on my road! Was surprised as didn't expect to see them. This was near Cong, Mayo.
    These two reports are rather confusing. What order are they working on exchange areas?

    Cong is listed a 2017/2018 for live FTTH and MRO1_E01 as H2.
    My area (Claregalway) is listed as Early/Mid 2017 and there has been little or no pole activity that I've seen other than a couple of lone van sightings over a 2 month period.

    So how are they going to meet their targets by not working on areas in the correct order?


  • #3340
    plodder
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,771 ✭✭✭plodder


    I passed a crew doing some hedge cutting on my road in North county Dublin on Saturday. They were working on behalf of Eir, but didn't have any more insight into dates. Good to see something happening at least.


  • #3341
    MBSnr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,245 ✭✭✭MBSnr


    Gwynston wrote: »
    These two reports are rather confusing. What order are they working on exchange areas?

    Cong is listed a 2017/2018 for live FTTH and MRO1_E01 as H2.
    My area (Claregalway) is listed as Early/Mid 2017 and there has been little or no pole activity that I've seen other than a couple of lone van sightings over a 2 month period.

    So how are they going to meet their targets by not working on areas in the correct order?

    They have been very busy in Claregalway. I've seen them pulling cable on the N17 side roads (McHughes pub area) and the N18 side roads (Lydican). Maybe they haven't made it over the bridge to East Claregalway yet?

    As Gonzo pointed out though - cutting trees back doesn't mean they are to start any time soon. It's most likely due to them not being able to legally cut after 1st March until the 31st August - due to EU directive for nesting wildlife.


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  • #3342
    Gonzo
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    Peppa Cig wrote: »
    Do all blue lines from exchange have to be cabled/splice boxes etc before the exchange serving those blue lines goes live?

    it really depends from one exchange to another, none of the exchanges so far have been completed in 1 go. Some exchanges go live with less than 1/6th of lines completed, others go live with all but a few premises left to do.

    To date there is only 1 exchange fully completed which originally went live back in September with less than half it's lines.

    Still waiting for my exchange area Dunshaughlin to go live and there is one route here not started at all but all the other routes seems to be ready to go, although there is a missing splice box on one of the routes.


  • #3343
    Gwynston
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    MBSnr wrote: »
    They have been very busy in Claregalway. I've seen them pulling cable on the N17 side roads (McHughes pub area) and the N18 side roads (Lydican). Maybe they haven't made it over the bridge to East Claregalway yet?

    That's good to hear.
    I did see a KN van down the road opposite McHughs last month. And one in November at the end of the blue line near me at the opposite side of the exchange on the Loughgeorge-Corrandulla road. But I haven't seen much activity - although I'm not in the area most days.

    I suppose it's one of the biggest exchanges in the country - a lot of miles of blue lines, and 1,400 homes! :eek: I was just hoping that after they'd completed works to get neighbouring Turloghmore live before Christmas that we might be next - and preferably (for me :p) the north side of the village first!


  • #3344
    Bored Accountant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 357 ✭✭Bored Accountant


    Out of interest do the blue lines update at all to greeen to show they are live, or is it just a guessing game as to how much of them in an area is live?


  • #3345
    ACLFC7
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 290 ✭✭ACLFC7


    Bored Accountant wrote: »
    Out of interest do the blue lines update at all to greeen to show they are live, or is it just a guessing game as to how much of them in an area is live?

    The blue lines don't update or change colour.

    To see what areas are live use this map http://fibrerollout.ie/where-and-when/ and check the "all" box on the right hand side. Then hover over the exchanges and you will get more info. For example the Bray exchange says "160 premises able to access 1000Mb/s fibre"


  • #3346
    Finne1993
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 502 ✭✭✭Finne1993


    BuzzG wrote: »
    @ Finne1993 some pics of the install kit inside the house would be cool if you don't mind posting them here. Hope you get sorted, lucky you :D

    No fibre for me today or my 6 neighbours who were also due to get connected. The KN vans were out in force on my road, I counted at least 6 of them. They weren't getting any signal from the splice boxes so they had to call it a day, they said they might be back tomorrow but it could be next week before they have the issue sorted. Ah well, what's another few days when I've been putting up with crap speeds for a few years now! I hope to take a few snaps of them working at it when the install does happen and I'll post them up 👍


  • #3347
    briangrange
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1 ✭briangrange


    Apologies if this has been asked in advance, it's a big thread and i've read a lot of it but didn't see my answer.

    Does anyone know how these blue lines are being rolled out? do they run the fiber for all the lines on an exchange and then declare them open, or do they open sections of blue line bit by bit?

    I'm on a Blue line for H2 this year and i'm about 5k from the nearest exchange hence my query.


  • #3348
    Johnboy1951
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,084 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »
    Seeing as Openeir won't do it, I've decided to make a map of the first 100K exchange areas listed here. As exchanges are given live dates I'll update them or add them if they've not already been included. I hope the colour scheme is self explanatory. If anybody spots errors just post and I'll try to fix them.

    https://drive.google.com/open?id=1xk6un1ZdpZ8577ZzunX-RmL0cCM&usp=sharing

    I looked at the Ennis exchange details today and it says

    1650 premises able to access 1,000 Mb/s fibre

    whereas the map above still shows

    350 out of 430 premises passed


  • #3349
    digiman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,278 ✭✭✭digiman


    Johnboy1951 wrote: »
    I looked at the Ennis exchange details today and it says

    1650 premises able to access 1,000 Mb/s fibre

    whereas the map above still shows

    350 out of 430 premises passed

    I think he is trying to separate urban rollout from rural rollout which is no easy task!! So what it is saying that there are 1300 urban homes passed from their 66 town rollout and now and additional 350 homes have been passed as part of the rural rollout.


  • #3350
    Gonzo
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,411 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    Johnboy1951 wrote: »
    I looked at the Ennis exchange details today and it says

    1650 premises able to access 1,000 Mb/s fibre

    whereas the map above still shows

    350 out of 430 premises passed

    the map is for the rural blue lines.

    the 1650 premises includes the 66 town's scheme which is not part of the rural blue lines.


  • #3351
    Johnboy1951
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,084 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    Gonzo wrote: »
    the map is for the rural blue lines.

    the 1650 premises includes the 66 town's scheme which is not part of the rural blue lines.

    But the blue lines run through Ennis (and presumably other towns & vilages also).

    Which brings me back to my suspicion that when the figures are added up for the 'premises passed' by end March, that 1650 will be included ....... as they are FTTH, and are 'rural' --- Ennis being a rural town.


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  • #3352
    [Deleted User]
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    Finne1993 wrote: »
    No fibre for me today or my 6 neighbours who were also due to get connected. The KN vans were out in force on my road, I counted at least 6 of them. They weren't getting any signal from the splice boxes so they had to call it a day, they said they might be back tomorrow but it could be next week before they have the issue sorted. Ah well, what's another few days when I've been putting up with crap speeds for a few years now! I hope to take a few snaps of them working at it when the install does happen and I'll post them up 👍
    Hopefully you've not got "banjo strings" fro fibres.
    All the fibres around here had to be replaced because the original installation was too tight, the lines were dead straight between the poles absolutely no slack at all!
    All it would need was for one really cold night and all the fibres would contract and snap,


  • #3353
    cabledude
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 842 ✭✭✭cabledude


    jd wrote: »
    How far are you from the exchange in Adamstown Village? - if you are within 1.7 km or so you may be able to get VDSL when the the service is launched.
    4 miles maybe....


  • #3354
    tsue921i8wljb3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    Johnboy1951 wrote: »
    I looked at the Ennis exchange details today and it says

    1650 premises able to access 1,000 Mb/s fibre

    whereas the map above still shows

    350 out of 430 premises passed

    As digiman has already stated it is an effort to separate the rural and urban FTTH figures.

    Let me try to explain my reasoning. In September when I was going through exchanges to enter data into the spreadsheet I noticed several larger regional towns already had figures for premises passed by FTTH. Ennis was one of those towns. In early September it had 1300 premises passed, bear in mind this was before any announcement of the first live rural premises by Openeir which did not come until the 30th of September. This was due to Ennis being part of the regional urban rollout.

    Since then Ennis has been updated to 1650 premises passed. As I stated earlier I was generous and allocated the extra 350 premises to the rural rollout, however I have no way of knowing if they are actually rural.

    As to your point about merging figures from the urban and rural projects, I believe it would be disingenuous to do so although Openeir may do it. They were supposed to be separate here is a quote form the 2015 launch:
    In addition to the regional FTTH rollout, between 2017-2020 open eir will roll out FTTH services to approximately 300,000 premises across rural Ireland.

    If your theory were true why when they announced the rural areas was Ennis allocated only 430 premises if they already had 1300 premises passed?

    This issue all stems from the fact that the Openeir map is wholly inadequate for tracking progress of FTTH. Is should be completely separate from FTTC. Openeir have shown a bizarre indifference to promoting their rollout, two updates in four months with not all live areas even announced publicly. The promised map seems to have been forgotten about.


  • #3355
    ItHurtsWhenIP
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,177 ✭✭✭ItHurtsWhenIP


    jd wrote: »
    How far are you from the exchange in Adamstown Village? - if you are within 1.7 km or so you may be able to get VDSL when the the service is launched.

    The limit from exchanges is 1.5KM, however there are reports of some exchanges being vectored, which will push the range up to 2KM, however ...
    cabledude wrote: »
    4 miles maybe....

    ... I'm afraid you will never see eVDSL. You'll need to await either blue line roll out (if you are on one) or NBP. :(


  • #3356
    cabledude
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 842 ✭✭✭cabledude


    ItHurtsWhenIP wrote: »
    The limit from exchanges is 1.5KM, however there are reports of some exchanges being vectored, which will push the range up to 2KM, however ...



    ... I'm afraid you will never see eVDSL. You'll need to await either blue line roll out (if you are on one) or NBP. :(
    I'm outside the blue line.:mad:


  • #3357
    ItHurtsWhenIP
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,177 ✭✭✭ItHurtsWhenIP


    cabledude wrote: »
    I'm outside the blue line.:mad:

    Then thee and me are in the same NBP boat :D


  • #3358
    cabledude
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 842 ✭✭✭cabledude


    ItHurtsWhenIP wrote: »
    Then thee and me are in the same NBP boat :D
    If your area is covered already by a commercial operator, does that mean you do not fall under the NBP?

    Even though that operator may be, well, sh1te.


  • #3359
    ItHurtsWhenIP
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,177 ✭✭✭ItHurtsWhenIP


    cabledude wrote: »
    If your area is covered already by a commercial operator, does that mean you do not fall under the NBP?

    Even though that operator may be, well, sh1te.

    Only where the commercial operator can guarantee the NBP minimum speeds (30 down/6 up). If that is not available, the NBP is your friend ... or will be eventually :rolleyes:

    Even if my exchange got VDSLed and vectored and eir let me away with the handful of meters over 2KM that I am from the exchange, I would still only get 7/1, so would be an NBP candidate.

    I presently muddle along on 3/1 from Munster Broadband. It's a good reliable connection mind, so I'm not complaining, but christ it's slow.


  • #3360
    BuzzG
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 222 ✭✭BuzzG


    @ Finne1993 that's crap news, sorry to hear that, hopefully the issue will be sorted and you can get up and running. I'm sure the wait while annoying now will be worth it .. eventually :(


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  • #3361
    damienirel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 949 ✭✭✭damienirel


    Thought there were a bunch of exchanges going live on friday last?? Nada on the techbytes page. No updates on the map either it seems from a quick look - don't they know we're watching them very closely? - I suppose they haven't given a sh1te before now, that's not likely to change.


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