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Eir rural FTTH thread

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  • #3302
    Peppa Cig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,005 ✭✭✭Peppa Cig


    Gwynston wrote: »
    Whatever the semantics of "unlimited" broadband not actually being unlimited - I think we are all used to FUP limits in the real world - the fact is that FTTH moves the goalposts and the FUP limits will have to change.

    Historically, FUP limits existed because the existing technology would buckle if everyone with an "umlimited" package left their devices continually downloading or constantly watching streaming 4K TV.

    But the new FTTH technology won't suffer from the same bandwidth restrictions and in realty allows users internet access that is 10 times, or 100 times (or even 500 times in many cases :eek: ) faster than before, so it's obvious that usage patterns will change accordingly.

    Will actually be 1000 times faster for me!!!

    Currently 1mb 😂😂😂😂😂


  • #3303
    Gonzo
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,411 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    grouchyman wrote: »
    Don't know if this really belongs in this thread (Mods move if you wish) but the conversation around FUPs has me thinking.

    Does anybody have any info on whether or not their level of usage increased following a move to eir FTTH. At the moment I currently get between 7 and 9 MBs depending on time of day etc. However our household can be a big user of Netflix, RTE Player , especially during holiday times, and at these times I have noticed that our usage could amount to 600GB of data a montH, though normally monthly usage is between 300- 400GB

    As the cost of exceeding the 1TB cap could be up to an additional €100 a month onto my eir bill. I'm just wondering if anybody noticed if their download usage increased after moving to eir FTTH.

    I am a similar situation to yourself, I get between 8 and 10 megs on speedtests, most days it's around 9. Because it takes forever to download, I only download when I have to such as steam games and some game patches, windows updates. I download Sky HD stuff on demand regularly but not as often as I would like as it takes so long. I also stream Netflix and Spotify and watch Youtube alot. I haven't checked my data usage in about 6 years because there is no need to with a 1tb allowance on a slow connection.

    I can guarantee you usage will spiral going from 8megs to 150/300/1000. Sky on demand films/tv shows will download in seconds. Infact the KN enginner I was talking was telling me one of his relations has FTTH and as soon as they press the record button on Sky HD, it downloads so fast that they can view instantly.

    I can just imagine the day that I get FTTH downloading will become a good again. I have alot of games on my ps4 with huge updates that have been paused for nearly a year. I'm waiting for FTTH before resuming them.

    So many times i've wanted to download something but do not because it takes too long or it uses up all my bandwidth and can do nothing else.


  • #3304
    Shyboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 536 ✭✭✭Shyboy


    plodder wrote: »
    Can you connect both of them with LAN cables to the router and do a download from two different sites at the same time? If the combined download speed is greater than what you got from downloading off the laptop on its own, then the laptop is not able to utilise the full capacity of the link.

    I think this will be a common "problem" and shows that in most cases, 1Gbit is only warranted when you have multiple people using the link at the same time. Even then, that's probably only going to work if some are directly connected to the router (not everyone going over wifi).

    Thanks Plodder, another thing that I will have to try tonight. :)


  • #3305
    ItHurtsWhenIP
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,177 ✭✭✭ItHurtsWhenIP


    plodder wrote: »
    Can you connect both of them with LAN cables to the router and do a download from two different sites at the same time? If the combined download speed is greater than what you got from downloading off the laptop on its own, then the laptop is not able to utilise the full capacity of the link.

    I think this will be a common "problem" and shows that in most cases, 1Gbit is only warranted when you have multiple people using the link at the same time. Even then, that's probably only going to work if some are directly connected to the router (not everyone going over wifi).

    We've seen 900+Mbps speedtests, which have obviously been created by a single device. The "use 2 machines" exercise will at least prove if the link is restricted or if it's the laptop.


  • #3306
    John1993W
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30 ✭John1993W


    Eir rep called to the house, my prayers have been answered!

    Crazy, just happened to have had the day off.


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  • #3307
    Peppa Cig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,005 ✭✭✭Peppa Cig


    John1993W wrote: »
    Eir rep called to the house, my prayers have been answered!

    Crazy, just happened to have had the day off.

    What options were given
    Did you sign up
    Is your exchange now live?


  • #3308
    Gadgetman496
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,454 ✭✭✭Gadgetman496


    John1993W wrote: »
    Eir rep called to the house, my prayers have been answered!

    Crazy, just happened to have had the day off.


    They're watching you John :D

    "Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid."



  • #3309
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 31,118 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    plodder wrote: »
    Can you connect both of them with LAN cables to the router and do a download from two different sites at the same time? If the combined download speed is greater than what you got from downloading off the laptop on its own, then the laptop is not able to utilise the full capacity of the link.

    I think this will be a common "problem" and shows that in most cases, 1Gbit is only warranted when you have multiple people using the link at the same time. Even then, that's probably only going to work if some are directly connected to the router (not everyone going over wifi).
    I work for a large company and their internet pipe will soon be upgraded from 30Mb/s to 120Mb/s and it has 100s of users behind the firewall, web browsing is still faster than I get at home. So unless you've got some serious streaming applications 1Gb/s is really overkill.


  • #3310
    damienirel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 949 ✭✭✭damienirel


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I work for a large company and their internet pipe will soon be upgraded from 30Mb/s to 120Mb/s and it has 100s of users behind the firewall, web browsing is still faster than I get at home. So unless you've got some serious streaming applications 1Gb/s is really overkill.

    God I love overkill! :P


  • #3311
    JCX BXC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,488 ✭✭✭✭JCX BXC


    Future proofing.

    Why do a half arsed job and then have to do it again in 7 or 8 years?


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  • #3312
    Gonzo
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,411 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    damienirel wrote: »
    God I love overkill! :P

    it's a fantastic product, pure shame on the FUP tho, that needs to change real soon or be removed altogether.


  • #3313
    ED E
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,170 ✭✭✭✭ED E


    Gonzo wrote: »
    it's a fantastic product, pure shame on the FUP tho, that needs to change real soon or be removed altogether.

    Theres a risk there depending on the deployed split ratio. Once people know theres really no limit they go all out (I do it, 40GB/mo in podcasts/youtube on my phone!). Having some sort of cap supresses contention to some degree which will be an issue if you've 11200 sharing 2500.

    Also they pay for transit to CDNs in Europe so keeping things a bit lower saves bank.


    This isnt to say I'm happy with 1TB/mo, itd be a big problem for this household, but they wont be that quick to drop it.


  • #3314
    Gonzo
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,411 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    ED E wrote: »
    Theres a risk there depending on the deployed split ratio. Once people know theres really no limit they go all out (I do it, 40GB/mo in podcasts/youtube on my phone!). Having some sort of cap supresses contention to some degree which will be an issue if you've 11200 sharing 2500.

    Also they pay for transit to CDNs in Europe so keeping things a bit lower saves bank.


    This isnt to say I'm happy with 1TB/mo, itd be a big problem for this household, but they wont be that quick to drop it.

    Hopefully they may increase the FUP a little bit during 2017, even make it 2tb for FTTH services would be a big help and would suit most users.

    12 exchanges go live today:

    Annascaul (Kerry)
    Ballybrittas (Laois)
    Blarney (Cork)
    Brittas Bay Bridge (Wicklow)
    Clarina (Limerick)
    Clonmany (Donegal)
    Coolboy (Wicklow)
    Newbridge (Kildare)
    Loskeran (Waterford)
    Rathowen (Westmeath)
    Rhode (Offaly)
    Rosslare Harbour (Wexford)

    Hopefully next week will feature another update with at least 12 more exchanges announced. It's not looking hopeful here in Dunshaughlin for a date within the next few weeks as I haven't seen any Eir reps going around yet and Open Eir still seems to be doing the odd bit of rewiring on some splice box's. The fiber checker still says no for everyone.


  • #3315
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 31,118 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I have just found out that the eir rep has been around the area and is saying that we're (Cornafulla, Roscommon) due to go live on the 22nd February, can't wait!


  • #3316
    Gonzo
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,411 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I have just found out that the eir rep has been around the area and is saying that we're (Cornafulla, Roscommon) due to go live on the 22nd February, can't wait!

    lucky you! With no reps in my area I guess Dunshaughlin is gonna get shifted into March at the earliest. Could be April before I see a connection at this rate, a whole year since work originally started!.


  • #3317
    Gonzo
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,411 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I have just found out that the eir rep has been around the area and is saying that we're (Cornafulla, Roscommon) due to go live on the 22nd February, can't wait!

    is the Eir Fibre checker passing for you yet or is it still saying something like 'fibre is in your area but hasn't reached you yet'?


  • #3318
    Malee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 164 ✭✭Malee


    We've had people running broadband cables into our rural village about a month ago.
    Today I saw about 4 of these at different intervals, connected to those new broadband cables, one nearly outside our property. What exactly are they? FTTH or FTTC or any other variety?

    We have a blue line passing by our house in the Eir fibre checker, leading to a live cabinet. (Cabinet has been live for more than a year).


  • #3319
    Gonzo
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,411 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    Malee wrote: »
    We've had people running broadband cables into our rural village about a month ago.
    Today I saw about 4 of these at different intervals, connected to those new broadband cables, one nearly outside our property. What exactly are they? FTTH or FTTC or any other variety?

    We have a blue line passing by our house in the Eir fibre checker, leading to a live cabinet. (Cabinet has been live for more than a year).

    those are splice box's, from those they can connect 6 to 8 homes with fibre.


  • #3320
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 31,118 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Gonzo wrote: »
    is the Eir Fibre checker passing for you yet or is it still saying something like 'fibre is in your area but hasn't reached you yet'?
    Computer still says NO! I'll check again next week.


  • #3321
    lol5605
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 178 ✭✭lol5605


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  • #3322
    Ron603
    Closed Accounts Posts: 75 ✭✭Ron603


    Three Open Eir vans were working on the splice boxes today in Aghadoe, Killarney.


  • #3323
    Finne1993
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 502 ✭✭✭Finne1993


    I Got a text from Eir on Thursday to say my installation will happen on 14th February but then yesterday I got a call from KN Networks to say the engineers would be in my area on Monday and would I be available for the install! Happy Days, hopefully I'll have some speedtest pics up on Monday evening. I went for the 150mbs broadband only package at €55 a month.


  • #3324
    BuzzG
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 222 ✭✭BuzzG


    @ Finne1993 some pics of the install kit inside the house would be cool if you don't mind posting them here. Hope you get sorted, lucky you :D


  • #3325
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,054 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    In the last few days they begun marking poles on the planned blue line routes in my area with the letters S or F.

    The letter S appears to indicate a splice box location as they're situated in the vicinity of clusters of houses. The letter F appears to indicate the beginning or end of a fibre run.

    The first S marking on the route I looked at today is only 500-600m from the exchange.

    The exchange (MRO1_E01) is scheduled for FTTH in H2 this year, poles for replacement were marked as defective late last year but no pole replacement or hedge cutting work carried out yet.


  • #3326
    MBSnr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,245 ✭✭✭MBSnr


    ^^^
    Yesterday the lads were out cutting trees on my road! Was surprised as didn't expect to see them. This was near Cong, Mayo. I asked one of them if they had any idea when the cable would be run. He said they have cut trees and literally had the lads follow them up the road with the cable and other times nothing for months....


  • #3327
    cabledude
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 842 ✭✭✭cabledude


    Anyone here help me. I'm looking at the fibre rollout map and it looks as though my house is not on a blue line. Does that mean that I will never be able to avail of broadband through the phone line.? Confused!!

    We have Eir poles outside the house but the exchange, Adamstown in Wexford, is not broadband enabled at the minute. Will this fibre rollout mean we might get some creed of internet after it has been upgraded even if its not fibre? Not looking for 1000 Mbps speeds. 30-50 would be fine.


  • #3328
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,054 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    The blue lines on the map refer to FTTH, fibre optic cable direct to your home, no copper involved. Premises not covered by eir's blue line will fall under the Dept of Communication National Broadband Plan and the provider who wins that government contract for your area.

    If your local exchange isn't enabled for ADSL (via phone line) your option at the moment will be a wireless provider
    cabledude wrote: »
    Will this fibre rollout mean we might get some creed of internet after it has been upgraded even if its not fibre? Not looking for 1000 Mbps speeds. 30-50 would be fine.

    It's unlikely the exchange will be upgraded for broadband over copper as open-eir are in the process of developing plans to switch off the copper network completely and move everything over to fibre optic cable. In any case to get 30-50 over copper you would have to be within 750-1100 meters of an eVDSL (FTTC) exchange.


  • #3329
    cabledude
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 842 ✭✭✭cabledude


    The Cush wrote: »
    The blue lines on the map refers to FTTH, fibre optic cable direct to your home, no copper involved. Premises not covered by eir's blue line will fall under the Dept of Communication National Broadband Plan and the provider who wins that government contract for your area.

    If your local exchange isn't enabled for ADSL (via phone line) your option at the moment will be a wireless provider
    Thanks for that.

    Here's my issue.

    Cannot get Imagine LTE as I am out of range of their nearest cell. They've been out and my site failed the test.

    Same for Rocket broadband. Have no LOS to my local mast.

    PermaNet is not an option as there is a huge hill between my house and their mast.

    Three mobile coverage is a poor 3G. And I mean poor.

    I've been with Vodafone for years now and was enjoying good 4G service until early December. Then my speeds and connection stability fell off a cliff. Was getting speeds of 2-30mbps regularly. At busy time was getting 12 or so. Since December, I've been living with 5-6 Mpbs going as low as 1-2 at times. I've been speaking to countless agents in VF support and none of them could help even though the brought me through all the troubleshooting steps.

    They have agreed to let me out of the contract, I've 6 months left.

    Today I went into the VF store in Wexford and the guy in there tells me that ke knows a couple of people in my area and that he has heard the reason my areas coverage has fallen over a cliff. One of VF's 4G cells in the area is gone down and they are not bothered fixing it as there is not enough traffic on it.

    At my wits end........


  • #3330
    cabledude
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 842 ✭✭✭cabledude


    The Cush wrote: »
    The blue lines on the map refers to FTTH, fibre optic cable direct to your home, no copper involved. Premises not covered by eir's blue line will fall under the Dept of Communication National Broadband Plan and the provider who wins that government contract for your area.

    If your local exchange isn't enabled for ADSL (via phone line) your option at the moment will be a wireless provider



    It's unlikely the exchange will be upgraded for broadband over copper as open-eir are in the process of developing plans to switch off the copper network completely and move everything over to fibre optic cable. In any case to get 30-50 over copper you would have to be with 750-1100 meters of an eVDSL (FTTC) exchange.
    What will this entail/look like.


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  • #3331
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,054 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    Any other wireless providers in the area, see the IOL map - http://irelandoffline.org/map/#/map


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