Paris again?

The Backwards Man · 04-02-2017 10:02AM

Widdershins wrote: »

A cafe is totally different and they've always been open to all.

I know more than one cafe owner that would argue with that statement, they'd especially be vehemently opposed to the custom of sexist pricks that don't want women in the same room, but carry on with the alarmist scaremongering anyway, sorry for butting in on you there

Richard Hillman · 04-02-2017 10:04AM

tomwaterford wrote: »

France has a massive mistreated Muslim population with decades....many of which followed it home from its colonies

Wrong. France has a massive mistreated indigenous population. They did not ask for this. The people did not send invitations around the globe to destroy their country.

The Backwards Man · 04-02-2017 10:12AM

Gotta hand it to those that class themselves as right leaning, they've always been at the forefront when it comes to protecting indigenous populations.

Not really sure how this applies in the Louvre attack though to be honest, I think Napoleon had a wee go at Egypt but he didn't get on too well there if I remember.

FTA69 · 04-02-2017 10:36AM

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Wrong. France has a massive mistreated indigenous population. They did not ask for this. The people did not send invitations around the globe to destroy their country.

Will you ever go on. A few decades ago they were galavanting around the world claiming ownership of swathes of the globe and its people; in the 60s they presided over mass persecution and torture in Algeria. In Paris the cops even drowned scores of Algerian men in the Seine in broad daylight during a demonstration.

It's gas like, the same people you find in France and England crying over immigrants are always the same ones utterly incapable of acknowledging their own countries imperialism.

Widdershins · 04-02-2017 01:28PM

The Backwards Man wrote: »

I know more than one cafe owner that would argue with that statement, they'd especially be vehemently opposed to the custom of sexist pricks that don't want women in the same room, but carry on with the alarmist scaremongering anyway, sorry for butting in on you there

Nobody said other cafe owners want a males only cafe, I haven't a clue what you're on about them for.

It's not alarmist scaremongering, it's a fact, one that for some reason you're stubbornly trying to deflect from, and you're not helping the women in those areas one bit, hope you feel proud for that!. I will carry on commenting without your agreement, thank you.

Timberrrrrrrr · 04-02-2017 01:32PM

Widdershins wrote: »

Oh, come on. Golf clubs? You're not comparing them to highstreets and cafes, are you? And women are barred from being members of them not setting foot in them, I'd imagine? I don't have that much of a problem with men or women only clubs-men's shed is perfectly acceptable and there are various women only social group as well. A cafe is totally different and they've always been open to all.

It wasn't so long ago that women were not allowed in pubs in Ireland, and even when they were allowed in it was only the lounge not the bar, that was strictly men only.

Widdershins · 04-02-2017 01:45PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

It wasn't so long ago that women were not allowed in pubs in Ireland, and even when they were allowed in it was only the lounge not the bar, that was strictly men only.

Yes and did you know around the same time some women would slit the throat of a cockerel and string it up to bleed to death for St. Martin's day? A lot of them kept their hair covered in public, too. That was the 1950's in rural Ireland. This is 2016 Paris (when documentary was made) we're talking about now. It helps if you remind yourself of that every now and then.

Hint: It's not something we want to go back to, anywhere.

Billy86 · 04-02-2017 01:49PM

Widdershins wrote: »

Yes and did you know around the same time some women would slit the throat of a cockerel and string it up to bleed to death for St. Martin's day? A lot of them kept their hair covered in public, too. That was the 1950's in rural Ireland. This is 2016 Paris we're talking about now. It helps if you remind yourself of that every now and then.

Hint: It's not something we want to go back to, anywhere.

One of the local pubs down the road from me in Dublin only began admitting women in 1993, I think it was.

Mary63 · 04-02-2017 01:55PM

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/us/trump-supporters-see-ban-on-migrants-as-a-promise-kept-1.2958277

Widdershins · 04-02-2017 02:01PM

Billy86 wrote: »

One of the local pubs down the road from me in Dublin only began admitting women in 1993, I think it was.

Ok I said ''1950S'' I did not say it was ended in the 1950s, not sure what the necessity to point that out was. I would have thought the obvious issue is a modern day return to it, except it involves cafes and the street they're built on, NOT just bars, and it's Paris, not Ireland.

I don't want to have anything to do with men who justify and belittle the appalling human right abuse of women in Paris so I'm going to put all involved on Ignore setting. Pretty disgusted.

Timberrrrrrrr · 04-02-2017 02:23PM

Widdershins wrote: »

Yes and did you know around the same time some women would slit the throat of a cockerel and string it up to bleed to death for St. Martin's day? A lot of them kept their hair covered in public, too. That was the 1950's in rural Ireland. This is 2016 Paris we're talking about now. It helps if you remind yourself of that every now and then.

Hint: It's not something we want to go back to, anywhere.

Actually this was up into the late 80's

Mary63 · 04-02-2017 02:49PM

There is simply no comparison between the lives women lived in Ireland in the 1950s and the lives homosexual people lived doesn't bear thinking about.We with the help of the EU and better education available to the entire population we did manage to enshrine laws in our constitution that guaranteed equal rights to every citizen regardless of their gender and sexual orientation.

The predominately Muslim countries are a mess led by one unstable dictator after the other, you would have to despair really of any progress.The women need to be kept underfoot so best way to do this is to make sure they can't read and write very well.Keep them tied to the home and if they dare to ask for a divorce stone them to death, ditto if they complain about being raped or beaten half to death, this will keep other women in line.

We are now in 2017 so why on earth is anyone talking about life in the 1950s, what is the point being made, that Muslim womens lot isn't really so bad after all and what are they complaining about.

Timberrrrrrrr · 04-02-2017 02:51PM

Mary63 wrote: »

There is simply no comparison between the lives women lived in Ireland in the 1950s and the lives homosexual people lived doesn't bear thinking about.We with the help of the EU and better education available to the entire population we did manage to enshrine laws in our constitution that guaranteed equal rights to every citizen regardless of their gender and sexual orientation.

The predominately Muslim countries are a mess led by one unstable dictator after the other, you would have to despair really of any progress.The women need to be kept underfoot so best way to do this is to make sure they can't read and write very well.Keep them tied to the home and if they dare to ask for a divorce stone them to death, ditto if they complain about being raped or beaten half to death, this will keep other women in line.

We are now in 2017 so why on earth is anyone talking about life in the 1950s, what is the point being made, that Muslim womens lot isn't really so bad after all and what are they complaining about.

Who is talking about the 1950's ?

Harry Palmr · 04-02-2017 03:00PM

Women in the lounge was a fact in the early 80s

Widdershins · 04-02-2017 03:39PM

That's fine so. Let the women in Paris be kept out of sight because of something in Ireland 30 years ago. Sexism is alive and well and thinly veiled by faux religious 'tolerance'.

Flint Fredstone · 04-02-2017 03:46PM

I love how these comparisons work. The golf club, the snug, the crusades...

They're so similar...

maryishere · 04-02-2017 07:46PM

Mary63 wrote: »

The predominately Muslim countries are a mess led by one unstable dictator after the other, you would have to despair really of any progress.The women need to be kept underfoot so best way to do this is to make sure they can't read and write very well.Keep them tied to the home and if they dare to ask for a divorce stone them to death, ditto if they complain about being raped or beaten half to death, this will keep other women in line.

Ye cannot blame muslims for believing that us infidels should be outbreed and converted. Our granddaughters will be lucky enough to live in a sharia law, muslim majority Europe. Wait and see.

Jelle1880 · 04-02-2017 09:15PM

Mary63 wrote: »

There is simply no comparison between the lives women lived in Ireland in the 1950s and the lives homosexual people lived doesn't bear thinking about.We with the help of the EU and better education available to the entire population we did manage to enshrine laws in our constitution that guaranteed equal rights to every citizen regardless of their gender and sexual orientation.

The predominately Muslim countries are a mess led by one unstable dictator after the other, you would have to despair really of any progress.The women need to be kept underfoot so best way to do this is to make sure they can't read and write very well.Keep them tied to the home and if they dare to ask for a divorce stone them to death, ditto if they complain about being raped or beaten half to death, this will keep other women in line.

We are now in 2017 so why on earth is anyone talking about life in the 1950s, what is the point being made, that Muslim womens lot isn't really so bad after all and what are they complaining about.

Which countries are we talking about here ? Turkey ? Iran ? Iraq ? Saudi Arabia ?

Just asking, you seem to think they are all similar.

maryishere · 04-02-2017 09:25PM

Jelle1880 wrote: »

Which countries are we talking about here ? Turkey ? Iran ? Iraq ? Saudi Arabia ?

I would not like to live in any of the 56 or so muslim majority countries in the world. Some are "less worse" than others, but nevertheless God help our great-grandchildren under Sharia law.

Sureiknow · 04-02-2017 09:54PM

FTA69 wrote: »

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Wrong. France has a massive mistreated indigenous population. They did not ask for this. The people did not send invitations around the globe to destroy their country.

Will you ever go on. A few decades ago they were galavanting around the world claiming ownership of swathes of the globe and its people;

Islam has been doing that since the 6th century.
It infiltrates first as we are now seeing in Europe then it conquers.
It's Facist entirly

Jelle1880 · 04-02-2017 09:55PM

maryishere wrote: »

I would not like to live in any of the 56 or so muslim majority countries in the world. Some are "less worse" than others, but nevertheless God help our great-grandchildren under Sharia law.

If you genuinely think your grandchildren will live under Sharia law then you're just swallowing the hysteria created by the likes of The Daily Mail or The Sun. It has no basis in reality.

Religion as a whole is on a steady decline in the West. Even though Islam is the fastest growing religion world wide, your grandchildren will more likely live in a society where religion doesn't play much of a role (at least not as it used to do) instead of under Sharia law.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/11518702/Mapped-What-the-worlds-religious-landscape-will-look-like-in-2050.html

Widdershins · 04-02-2017 10:18PM

Jelle1880 wrote: »

If you genuinely think your grandchildren will live under Sharia law then you're just swallowing the hysteria created by the likes of The Daily Mail or The Sun. It has no basis in reality.

Religion as a whole is on a steady decline in the West. Even though Islam is the fastest growing religion world wide, your grandchildren will more likely live in a society where religion doesn't play much of a role (at least not as it used to do) instead of under Sharia law.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/11518702/Mapped-What-the-worlds-religious-landscape-will-look-like-in-2050.html

I might have agreed but I'm persuaded otherwise by the pro-Shariah and pro-Islam elements of recent womens marches(as opposed to neutral on religion, as they should be!).

This is quite a new phenomenon. I never expected to see feminists and activists actually glamourising a religion.

And then this documentary about the cafes in Paris banning women. And men on here condoning it! If someone had told me that could happen I wouldn't have believed it but it's insidiously becoming normal and accepted.

Timberrrrrrrr · 04-02-2017 10:27PM

Widdershins wrote: »

I might have agreed but I'm persuaded otherwise by the pro-Shariah and pro-Islam elements of recent womens marches(as opposed to neutral on religion, as they should be!).

This is quite a new phenomenon. I never expected to see feminists and activists actually glamourising a religion.

And then this documentary about the cafes in Paris banning women. And men on here condoning it! If someone had told me that could happen I wouldn't have believed it but it's insidiously becoming normal and accepted.

Who condoned it?

maryishere · 04-02-2017 10:44PM

Jelle1880 wrote: »

Even though Islam is the fastest growing religion world wide, your grandchildren will more likely live in a society where religion doesn't play much of a role (at least not as it used to do) instead of under Sharia law.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/11518702/Mapped-What-the-worlds-religious-landscape-will-look-like-in-2050.html

2050 is not great grand-childrens lifetime. And that link is debatable. For example, it estimates the % of muslims in France in 2050 to be 10.9%. FFS, some people estimated it more than that years ago!
As said before, cccording to Jean-Paul Gourévitch (fr), there were 7.7 million Muslims( about 11 percent of the population) in metropolitan France in 2011. No doubt its higher now ....due to further immigration and high birthrate.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_France
In 2050, with further immigration, legal and illegial ( possibly accelerated further due to climate change / overpopulation / pollution in certain countries ) and with muslim women being told to veil up and stay at home / not work and have big families, it is certain there will be much higher % than 11%. Most people in France think it is higher than that now, but the govt will not admit it.

Mary63 · 04-02-2017 10:48PM

All of the countries you mention Jelle1880.

Turkey has turned into a dictatorship and its no way a safe country now for Westerners to travel to or live in.It has become a very sinister place where you can lose your job and be imprisoned for merely exercising your right to protest.

Where is all the marching about the situation in Turkey, what has happened there is much more of a threat to the worlds stability than anything that is happening in the States.

You minimised what widdershins posted which is shocking Timberrrrr, you basically asked her what her problem was as forty years ago she wouldn't have been served alcohol in an Irish bar.

There are schools in the UK which have been entirely been taken over by Muslims, the schools Inspector has voiced his disquiet at what is being taught in these schools and he has been ignored because its not politically correct to object.Non muslims then will travel miles out of there way to other schools and this means then you have sink schools with children being indoctrinated instead of being taught properly.They leave school then with an inferior education and its everyone else's fault but their parents and their religious leaders.

Timberrrr answer to this will shure look at Ireland and the amount of catholic schools we have.

It has been estimate that the number of Muslims in France is at least fifteen per cent of the population, thats the ones who fill in census forms, God knows how many are in the country illegally.Muslim women marry early and have huge families, white French women start their families later while developing their professional careers and they have small families.The Germans and Italians have small families too so for every white western european child born there could be twelve Muslim children, it won't take too long for the numbers of Muslims to become a huge problem and Yes, I would be very concerned about my great gran daughters future too in a muslim dominated country.This is not scare mongering, we only have to look at France, Sweden and the Netherlands to see what has happened and its not pretty.

04-02-2017 10:48PM

maryishere wrote: »

I would not like to live in any of the 56 or so muslim majority countries in the world. Some are "less worse" than others, but nevertheless God help our great-grandchildren under Sharia law.

Could you list the 56 or so Muslim majority countries in the world?
And please point out which of them are living under Sharia law please?

Mary63 · 04-02-2017 10:59PM

The Muslims living in Brussels, France, Germany and the UK are probably all living under sharia law bubblypop, they are hardly going to tell you about it.

There are plenty of women in the UK who have been murdered by their fathers and brothers because they choose not to marry someone chosen for them.The religious leaders keep quiet about this because this is the muslim way of doing business.Its very hard for the Police to bring successful prosecutions when girls can be disappeared and the only people reporting them gone are their teachers.

Skylinehead · 04-02-2017 11:00PM

Mary63 wrote: »

The Muslims living in Brussels, France, Germany and the UK are probably all living under sharia law bubblypop, they are hardly going to tell you about it.

What, all of them?

Widdershins · 04-02-2017 11:08PM

Mary63 wrote: »

All of the countries you mention Jelle1880.

Turkey has turned into a dictatorship and its no way a safe country now for Westerners to travel to or live in.It has become a very sinister place where you can lose your job and be imprisoned for merely exercising your right to protest.

Where is all the marching about the situation in Turkey, what has happened there is much more of a threat to the worlds stability than anything that is happening in the States.

You minimised what widdershins posted which is shocking Timberrrrr, you basically asked her what her problem was as forty years ago she wouldn't have been served alcohol in an Irish bar.

There are schools in the UK which have been entirely been taken over by Muslims, the schools Inspector has voiced his disquiet at what is being taught in these schools and he has been ignored because its not politically correct to object.Non muslims then will travel miles out of there way to other schools and this means then you have sink schools with children being indoctrinated instead of being taught properly.They leave school then with an inferior education and its everyone else's fault but their parents and their religious leaders.

Timberrrr answer to this will shure look at Ireland and the amount of catholic schools we have.

It has been estimate that the number of Muslims in France is at least fifteen per cent of the population, thats the ones who fill in census forms, God knows how many are in the country illegally.Muslim women marry early and have huge families, white French women start their families later while developing their professional careers and they have small families.The Germans and Italians have small families too so for every white western european child born there could be twelve Muslim children, it won't take too long for the numbers of Muslims to become a huge problem and Yes, I would be very concerned about my great gran daughters future too in a muslim dominated country.This is not scare mongering, we only have to look at France, Sweden and the Netherlands to see what has happened and its not pretty.

I can't see Timberrr's posts, I find that kind of oppression-apologism quite disgusting.

Mary63 · 04-02-2017 11:14PM

Everywhere in Europe the Muslims live turns into a ghetto, look at Paris, Sweden,Brussels, the Uk, huge areas of deprivation caused in the main by muslims having families too big to provide for.If we get large numbers into Ireland they will set up ghettoes in West Dublin or in a similar area of disadvantage.They will swarm the local schools so white Irish people will then send their children elsewhere, its called the white flight.We already have schools in Dublin where there isn't a single white irish child.

I heard recently that there are hardly any white Irish students in Bolton Street DIT now, is this true does anyone know.

Paris again?

Comments