Paris again?

Dirty Dingus McGee

maryishere wrote: »

Thats not the point. Would YOU send you kids to a school with 90% immigrants. Where the parents outside the school gates mostly are asylum seekers, muslims etc?

It is actually as this scenario you're talking about doesn't exist and almost certainly won't exist as we don't tend to have ghetto's with large groups of ethnic minorities in them in this country.

FTA69

Widdershins wrote: »

With mixed race people in my family all I can say is you might well encounter it but most of our experiences have been good in Ireland. What people say on Boards isn't reflected in their real life behaviour imo.

I actually think it's simplistic to be writing off the poster's comments as De Muslims comments. Islam deserves to be critiqued like any other religion. Frankly they are all laughable in this day and age and in some cases they are dangerous to believers and unbelievers.

I've been to Ireland with my missus a few times and we've had the best of times no doubt, hopefully that continues and bigots remain in the minority and we remain a welcoming and open-minded nation.

Regards Mary83's comments; I'm sorry but they were definitely "de Muslims" comments. Several times she refers to "the Muslims want..." or "the Muslims are going to..." followed by generalising negative predictions. That's the epitome of the sort of sectarian sh*te we see has become prevalent today.

I'm all for reasoned debate on the social costs and benefits of migration, however when I see narrow-minded ill-informed scaremongering b*llocks I'm going to call it as I see it.

Dirty Dingus McGee

Mary63 wrote: »

The hungarian working in lidl has to have somewhere to live so he is driving up the price of rent for the Irish person.We don't have room on this small Island for half of Poland and a third of Hungary and we are going to be taking Britains share of Eastern europeans too when Britain closes its doors.How are we planning for this now.

The only worthy argument to be had about migration is how do we control the numbers and do we disperse non natives to parts of the country that need GAA players and away from the areas that already have too many people.There is no such thing as integration of Muslims, check out Brussela and Paris for evidence of that.The Poles and the Hungarians don't really want to integrate either, they want to make money and return to their own countries and when the economy dipped most of them did leave.Its worrying now though that if they cant get into the UK they will all want to come in here and we can't cope with them.They dont pose a danger tour way of life now or in the future so aren't a huge security concern like the Muslims are.

The muslims are the most seething, hateful ill informed people of all, I would say if we bugged their mosques we would hear some very interesting speeches.

I very much doubt that 20 million Polish people and 3 million Hungarians are going to move to thee country or be allowed.

We'd simply leave the EU if inward migration became a huge issue which is hasn't at the moment.

Parchment

Mary63 wrote: »

The hungarian working in lidl has to have somewhere to live so he is driving up the price of rent for the Irish person.We don't have room on this small Island for half of Poland and a third of Hungary and we are going to be taking Britains share of Eastern europeans too when Britain closes its doors.How are we planning for this now.

The only worthy argument to be had about migration is how do we control the numbers and do we disperse non natives to parts of the country that need GAA players and away from the areas that already have too many people.There is no such thing as integration of Muslims, check out Brussela and Paris for evidence of that.The Poles and the Hungarians don't really want to integrate either, they want to make money and return to their own countries and when the economy dipped most of them did leave.Its worrying now though that if they cant get into the UK they will all want to come in here and we can't cope with them.They dont pose a danger tour way of life now or in the future so aren't a huge security concern like the Muslims are.

The muslims are the most seething, hateful ill informed people of all, I would say if we bugged their mosques we would hear some very interesting speeches.

If the GAA has sixteen billion in reserves it isn't sending its resources to the local clubs, they wouldn't be out looking for coppers from weary shoppers if they had cash in the bank account.Its mostly the female camogie players you see out begging though, do they get any of the sixteen billion sitting in the Bank.

what did i just read?

Timberrrrrrrr

Mary63 wrote: »

The hungarian working in lidl has to have somewhere to live so he is driving up the price of rent for the Irish person.We don't have room on this small Island for half of Poland and a third of Hungary and we are going to be taking Britains share of Eastern europeans too when Britain closes its doors.How are we planning for this now.

The only worthy argument to be had about migration is how do we control the numbers and do we disperse non natives to parts of the country that need GAA players and away from the areas that already have too many people.There is no such thing as integration of Muslims, check out Brussela and Paris for evidence of that.The Poles and the Hungarians don't really want to integrate either, they want to make money and return to their own countries and when the economy dipped most of them did leave.Its worrying now though that if they cant get into the UK they will all want to come in here and we can't cope with them.They dont pose a danger tour way of life now or in the future so aren't a huge security concern like the Muslims are.

The muslims are the most seething, hateful ill informed people of all, I would say if we bugged their mosques we would hear some very interesting speeches.

Kettle,


Pot,


BLACK!

Dirty Dingus McGee

Mary63 wrote: »

If the GAA has sixteen billion in reserves it isn't sending its resources to the local clubs, they wouldn't be out looking for coppers from weary shoppers if they had cash in the bank account.Its mostly the female camogie players you see out begging though, do they get any of the sixteen billion sitting in the Bank.

Do you know any male camogie players?

Camogie isn't part of the GAA.

Mary63

sorry,meant to say its sixteen million the GAA has.

Can you not read english parchment.

Dirty Dingus McGee

Parchment wrote: »

what did i just read?

Complete bull****e from a troll.

Flint Fredstone

The Marys are having a mare.

TimeToShine

Attitudes like Mary63's are remnants of a dying generation and I certainly wouldn't worry about people like her going forward. These are the same baby boomers who took the piss back in the 70s and 80s and contributed to why this country needed such a huge overhaul. The primitive, tribal "us vs them" mentality that even had us at war with our fellow countrymen up north.

These people will be obsolete in 10-20 years, be it through retirement or death. Dublin is slowly turning into an urban melting pot of different cultures and ethnicities who all seem to be integrating and getting on fantastically with both each other and ourselves.

The new world is here, don't let bigots and racists let you think otherwise.

FTA69

Mary63 wrote: »

The hungarian working in lidl has to have somewhere to live so he is driving up the price of rent for the Irish person.We don't have room on this small Island for half of Poland and a third of Hungary and we are going to be taking Britains share of Eastern europeans too when Britain closes its doors.How are we planning for this now.

The only worthy argument to be had about migration is how do we control the numbers and do we disperse non natives to parts of the country that need GAA players and away from the areas that already have too many people.There is no such thing as integration of Muslims, check out Brussela and Paris for evidence of that.The Poles and the Hungarians don't really want to integrate either, they want to make money and return to their own countries and when the economy dipped most of them did leave.Its worrying now though that if they cant get into the UK they will all want to come in here and we can't cope with them.They dont pose a danger tour way of life now or in the future so aren't a huge security concern like the Muslims are.

The muslims are the most seething, hateful ill informed people of all, I would say if we bugged their mosques we would hear some very interesting speeches.

If the GAA has sixteen billion in reserves it isn't sending its resources to the local clubs, they wouldn't be out looking for coppers from weary shoppers if they had cash in the bank account.Its mostly the female camogie players you see out begging though, do they get any of the sixteen billion sitting in the Bank.

Grand job. I assume it'll be top priority for you so to demand that the government introduces rent controls and builds more social housing and stops subsidising landlords via rental allowance? Or is it just easier to rant about ordinary working class people with very little political power or wealth?

Yet again you're engaging in these mad generalisations with clearly little personal experience to back it up. Impossible to "integrate" Muslims? Jesus I work with, box with, live next to Muslims and have done so for years. I frequent Turkish and Kurdish cafes, Pakistani shops, Bengali restaurants, I've had Nigerian Muslim colleagues and Somalis driving my bus to work. Funnily enough nobody has tried to kill me yet. The Mauritian Muslims five doors down even held a package for me the other day. Shock horror they didn't decapitate the postman. Believe me, for all your whinging and moaning about multicultural areas of London, people generally get on and coexist. Even the Orthodox Jews live pretty peacefully next to Muslim neighbours.

In fact the only people threatening that relative cohesion are people like you Mary.

As for Poles and Hungarians, funnily enough the same arguments about being money hungry place-robbers with no loyalty to the country were made about Irish people in the U.K. too, but yet here we are still - a million of us working away in all walks of life.

"The Muslims are the most hateful, seething..."

All 1.5bn of them Mary? Do you have issues by chance?

Gamb!t

Grayson wrote: »

1) they would have said if it was guns. Why say no explosives and not mention guns.
2) why use a hatchet if he had a gun?

Not saying this is the case but Is it possible they are not saying guns to avoid further panic in the City ?
The hatchets would probably do a better job at carving up paintings than a gun ?

Collie D

Is there any more info on this guy or his motives or background? Doesn't sound like your typical terrorist attack. Some nutter with an axe to grind (unintentional pun) about art? Or was he there to hurt people? To me the axe and paintballs would be more indicative of braindead vandalism on priceless works of art than an attempt to go on a killing spree. Either that or the world's least prepared terrorist.

The Backwards Man

Collie D wrote: »

Is there any more info on this guy or his motives or background? Doesn't sound like your typical terrorist attack. Some nutter with an axe to grind (unintentional pun) about art? Or was he there to hurt people? To me the axe and paintballs would be more indicative of braindead vandalism on priceless works of art than an attempt to go on a killing spree. Either that or the world's least prepared terrorist.

Post reported for being on topic:)

muddypaws

Re-read the two Marys' posts replacing Muslim, Eastern European etc with Irish and Ireland with UK and you have exactly what those of us who lived in the UK 30-40 years ago had to contend with. We were the terrorist threat, we were taking the jobs, lowering the tone of the place etc etc. Unhappy people have to have someone else to blame for their unhappiness. Even as recently as 10 years ago, my son, in his last year at an English primary school wore a badge on his jumper on St Patricks day, another lad in his class tore it off. The two boys got on well, but he had obviously learnt that kind of bigotry from somewhere.

Two posters choosing to use the name Mary, and both of them with attitudes completely at odds with the religion the name comes from - you couldn't make it up.

Am I a lefty liberal? Or just someone who is happy with who I am and doesn't have to blame others for my life not being a Disney film.

Jelle1880

muddypaws wrote: »

Re-read the two Marys' posts replacing Muslim, Eastern European etc with Irish and Ireland with UK and you have exactly what those of us who lived in the UK 30-40 years ago had to contend with. We were the terrorist threat, we were taking the jobs, lowering the tone of the place etc etc. Unhappy people have to have someone else to blame for their unhappiness. Even as recently as 10 years ago, my son, in his last year at an English primary school wore a badge on his jumper on St Patricks day, another lad in his class tore it off. The two boys got on well, but he had obviously learnt that kind of bigotry from somewhere.

Two posters choosing to use the name Mary, and both of them with attitudes completely at odds with the religion the name comes from - you couldn't make it up.

Am I a lefty liberal? Or just someone who is happy with who I am and doesn't have to blame others for my life not being a Disney film.

Are you one of those coloureds / blacks ?

ancapailldorcha

Mary63 will be taking a few days off.

Grayson

Mary63 wrote: »

The muslims are the most seething, hateful ill informed people of all, I would say if we bugged their mosques we would hear some very interesting speeches.

You don't actually know any Muslims do you? You've never actually had a conversation with one. I spent time growing up in an arab country (One that is not suffering at the hands of ISIS), I've worked with loads of muslims here in Ireland. I'm sure some are pricks but I haven't met one yet. Maybe you should spend time listening to people in a mosque. You'd find that there's nothing stranger than you'd hear in a catholic church.

The nuts thing is that what you just wrote is better used to describe you.

Grayson

TallyRand wrote: »

Next time there is a 7/7 type incident in a city you're in then you run over and say hello to a brown skin man with a backpack running while armed police are shouting stop. I'd love to see your reaction.

That Brazilian mans death was a tragedy, no one would be happy that it happened, however it is understandable that it happened.

Why do you think the police shot him?

Without derailing the topic, read the posts after the one you quoted. He was sitting down, the police surrounded him but didn't identify themselves. He stood up, they pushed him back, knocked him to the ground, shot him in the head and then shouted "Police".

When he died he didn't know who those people were or what was going on. One minute he was sitting down on the way to work, 10 seconds later he was dead. And they kept shooting for 30 seconds.

Widdershins

FTA69 wrote: »

I've been to Ireland with my missus a few times and we've had the best of times no doubt, hopefully that continues and bigots remain in the minority and we remain a welcoming and open-minded nation.

Regards Mary83's comments; I'm sorry but they were definitely "de Muslims" comments. Several times she refers to "the Muslims want..." or "the Muslims are going to..." followed by generalising negative predictions. That's the epitome of the sort of sectarian sh*te we see has become prevalent today.

I'm all for reasoned debate on the social costs and benefits of migration, however when I see narrow-minded ill-informed scaremongering b*llocks I'm going to call it as I see it.

I like to think it's unremarkable nowadays and that most people are essentially 'good'.

I agree about debate without narrowmindedness. I also think debate is stifled by exactly that-narrowmindedness, from people who think they're doing the right thing. I also see quite a bit of ignorance from misinformed people on the the totally pro-side. Some posts here have been a bit over the line, though, I'd agree with that.

jmayo

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Gotta hand it to those that class themselves as right leaning, they've always been at the forefront when it comes to protecting indigenous populations.

Not really sure how this applies in the Louvre attack though to be honest, I think Napoleon had a wee go at Egypt but he didn't get on too well there if I remember.

I have to say i have seen some stuff used as possible excuses in the past but i think this is the first time poor old Napoleon has been dragged into it.

If the crusades have been used as excuse then I reckon Charles Martel can surely be used since he stopped the expansion of the Moors, the Umayyad Caliphate and it's conquest of France, defeating the muslim armies at the Battle of Tours/Poiters in 732. :rolleyes:

BTW take a look at a map and see how far up through France Tours actually is.
A bit of an eye opener as to how far the Moors actually got.

As for Charles, well his grandson was Charlemagne and he knew a thing or two about brandy.

He just added an extra L to throw people.

jmayo

maryishere wrote: »

See post 274, complete with a link to your Irish Times.

""In 20 schools more than two-thirds of pupils came from a non-Irish background, while in two Dublin schools nine in every 10 pupils came from an immigrant background in 2013-2014".

Since the article was written I believe in one of the Dublin schools it is now 95% came from an immigrant background instead of the 90%. One of the teachers sends hers to a Gaelscoil instead.

Mary just stop.
There are a lot of immigrants to Ireland from various parts of the world of various different races.
Most of them are hard working honest people who want to make a better life for themselves and their families.
Some may sent money home to their families and some may only want to work here, save money and eventually go home.
There is nothing wrong with that and the Irish have done it for generations.

I have always found that the ones that are belonging to more strict religious background (muslims in particular, but also christians such as jehovah witnesses) are less likely to fully integrate.

For instance a huge way for parents to integrate into new communities in Ireland is through their kids.
You get to know locals and others through things like birthday parties, playdates, sports, etc.

Some of course will say it is silly, but trust me it is one of the best ways of getting to know people if you are new to an area.
And the aforementioned religions can be conspicious in their absence.