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Road issues that irritate me.......

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,436 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    dfeo wrote: »
    Just like most cyclists obey road signs, stop signs, yellow boxes and yield when they should? Yeah ??
    No doubt that a lot of cyclists break traffic laws, just like lots of motorists and lots of pedestrians.

    The main difference is that only one of those three groups routinely kill and maim other road users. I'll let you work it out.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,285 ✭✭✭Summer wind


    Morons who sit an inch from my back bumper at night on a country road with their full lights blaring in my back window.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 26,611 ✭✭✭✭OldMrBrennan83


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,930 ✭✭✭Jimoslimos


    dfeo wrote: »
    Just like most cyclists obey road signs, stop signs, yellow boxes and yield when they should? Yeah ??
    Ah here, unless it was the world's longest tandem bike I don't see how any cyclist could block a yellow box junction.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 20,368 Mod ✭✭✭✭RacoonQueen


    Oh...a thread about big, bag, naughty cyclists.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 26,611 ✭✭✭✭OldMrBrennan83


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,765 ✭✭✭degsie


    Oh...a thread about big, bag, naughty cyclists.
    A what bag now?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,930 ✭✭✭Jimoslimos


    Patww79 wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.
    The problem is instead of blaming the government/council/town planners etc for not providing adequate and safe infrastructure (for both cyclists AND motorists) people vent their frustrations on cyclists. A handy scapegoat.

    It also normalises bad driver behaviour towards cyclists, which unfortunately can have tragic consequences.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 26,611 ✭✭✭✭OldMrBrennan83


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,593 ✭✭✭Virgil°


    Driving my usual way to work. Approaching a pedestrian light crossing. As I approach: Green....green...green...yellow...red. :mad:
    There's no junction that would be letting other cars out. And there isn't a soul to be seen 100 metres in any direction. What business has this light being red?! Someone in HQ screwing around with my mornings.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24 SonicWind


    As a speed limit obeying; N plated driver of a sporty looking car doing way too many miles a year:

    1) People taking it as an insult when you overtake them (because of the N plate) and they proceed to tailgate or overtake you.

    2) Misaligned headlights.

    3) People who do 80 in a 100 zone, when you get an overtaking opportunity or where the lane splits into a dual carriage way, they speed up to the 100 and back down to 80 when the opportunity ends.

    4) People who don't use roundabouts properly and nearly end up hitting me.

    5) People wanting to speed behind me putting on their full lights.

    6) People who think cutting in, in front of me will be easy due to the plates.

    7) High end german saloons

    8) People in riced cars who think that I'm racing them. (I'm partial to my 0-100kmh being 6.8 secs. Obey the limits but have fun getting there if its safe to do.)

    9) Serial brake tappers.

    10) Insurance scammers. I do a lot of driving around 5am. They see a sporty N plate car coming at 100 (Gardaí would look at the two cars and instantly blame me) and pull out in front of me with 20-30 meters to spare, causing me to brake into the hard shoulder or drive around them. Getting better at spotting these people.

    11) Fog lights on a clear day. We get it, you have them. You're not making your car better looking, you're making yourself look like a knob.

    12) People who beep if you haven't taken off from the lights 0.0001 seconds after they have gone green.

    13) People pushing prams onto the road, forcing you to brake and swanning across the road like it was their god given right.

    14) People doing 80 in a 100 zone then doing 80 through 60 zones. I find this so funny, because when I leave the 60 zone to go back up to the 100, I usually catch them again.

    15) People tailgating me in a 50 zone. (Personal favorites are german saloons; when I hit the island with the 100 sign, I floor it leaving the tailgater there, they stay well clear after that.)

    16) Garda cars breaking speed limits and being general a holes because they are in a Garda car.

    17) People in yellow boxes stopped.

    18) I usually have no problem with cyclists, I mean I'd never cycle myself but by god do I see them do really stupid things; crossing a junction when they have a red light, switching between footpaths and roads, cycling really close to the backs of cars in slow traffic and moving up alongside the inside of a car turning left. We won't even talk about safety equipment.

    19) Van drivers. They are usually speeding and have little regard for road etiquette.

    20) Speed vans. They serve no purpose but to make money and cause unholy hell when someone slaps on the brakes because they see one bringing a 100 road down to 60 suddenly.

    21) People who could sell their indicators for new.

    22) People without lights at dusk/ night.

    Sorry for the long rant; I have been holding this in for a while, feels good to know I'm not the only one experiencing this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,436 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Patww79 wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.

    Absolutely correct. I'll go further and point out that if a collision is caused by a cyclist's dangerous cycling, then it's not 'an accident' - it is a collision.

    Could you point out any example in Ireland over the past ten years or so where a collision caused by a cyclist has resulted in someone other than the cyclist being killed? You know, the kind of thing that happens with motorists every other day or so. How often does this happen with cyclists, just to put some context around your irritation?


  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,277 Mod ✭✭✭✭Chips Lovell


    Even if an accident is 100% a cyclists fault, I can't see myself or most other motorists wanting to have to live with their death or serious injury. It's the height of arrogance to justify obnoxious cycling by saying "well the cyclist is the only person at risk".


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,686 ✭✭✭the_pen_turner


    Absolutely correct. I'll go further and point out that if a collision is caused by a cyclist's dangerous cycling, then it's not 'an accident' - it is a collision.

    Could you point out any example in Ireland over the past ten years or so where a collision caused by a cyclist has resulted in someone other than the cyclist being killed? You know, the kind of thing that happens with motorists every other day or so. How often does this happen with cyclists, just to put some context around your irritation?

    Not this crap again
    It's the nature of the beast un fortunitly. The cyclist is going to get hurt more.
    Same thing with a motorbike and car. The rider usually come off a lot worse.
    Same applies to trucks and cars. The car Comes off worse.

    Just because one side suffers more doesn't mean the went to blame.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,436 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Even if an accident is 100% a cyclists fault, I can't see myself or most other motorists wanting to have to live with their death or serious injury. It's the height of arrogance to justify obnoxious cycling by saying "well the cyclist is the only person at risk".
    Not this crap again
    It's the nature of the beast un fortunitly. The cyclist is going to get hurt more.
    Same thing with a motorbike and car. The rider usually come off a lot worse.
    Same applies to trucks and cars. The car Comes off worse.

    Just because one side suffers more doesn't mean the went to blame.

    Just to clarify, incidents where cyclists cause their own death are exceedingly rare. I recall one in recent years where a drunk cyclist rode onto the M1 and was hit by car. That would certainly have been very difficult for the driver concerned.

    But yet again, such cases are extremely rare, while motorists kill and maim people each week on the roads. To equate the risks of dangerous cycling and the risks of dangerous driving as being in the same ballpark is the height of delusion.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,686 ✭✭✭the_pen_turner


    have you the statistics that show injuries . they would show a diferent picture.
    just because the numbers are down doesnt mean incedent wasnt the cyclist fault.

    i would genuinly like to see the stats.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,436 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    have you the statistics that show injuries . they would show a diferent picture.
    just because the numbers are down doesnt mean incedent wasnt the cyclist fault.

    i would genuinly like to see the stats.

    Off you go then, see what you can dig up?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,686 ✭✭✭the_pen_turner


    Off you go then, see what you can dig up?

    i wish i knew where to find such info.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,210 ✭✭✭pablo128


    No doubt that a lot of cyclists break traffic laws, just like lots of motorists and lots of pedestrians.

    The main difference is that only one of those three groups routinely kill and maim other road users. I'll let you work it out.

    I find it mind boggling that cyclists would rather risk cycling alongside motorists, who apparently routinely kill and maim other road users, than cycle on a dirty cycle path.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,882 ✭✭✭prinzeugen


    i wish i knew where to find such info.

    Freedom of Info request to the coroners court would be a start.

    The "motorists kill and maim hundreds" line is getting a bit boring.

    How do you know the motorist was to blame for a death and not some outside factor?

    Only the coroner would have that info, not the RSA or the Garda.

    For example, some old lad died of a heart attack at the wheel and hit the front of a pub.

    The RSA and the Garda would record that as a road death while the coroner would call it natural causes....

    "Hundreds are injured or killed in motor vehicle incidents each year" would be more correct.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,686 ✭✭✭the_pen_turner


    that will only show deaths and will not say who was a fault


    i would assume that there are no records of injuries and who caused them. especially of cyclists and pedestrains.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,930 ✭✭✭Jimoslimos


    prinzeugen wrote: »

    How do you know the motorist was to blame for a death and not some outside factor?

    Only the coroner would have that info, not the RSA or the Garda.

    For example, some old lad died of a heart attack at the wheel and hit the front of a pub.

    The RSA and the Garda would record that as a road death while the coroner would call it natural causes....
    Your example is simplistic.
    What happens if the old lad who dies at the wheel mounts the pavement and kills a pedestrian? How do you record those deaths?

    Or if the driver has a heart attack but "cause of death" is due to injuries sustained in the crash?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,882 ✭✭✭prinzeugen


    that will only show deaths and will not say who was a fault


    i would assume that there are no records of injuries and who caused them. especially of cyclists and pedestrains.

    I don't think it would say who was at fault unless someone has already been before the courts before the inquest.

    Another example is from one of the UK police traffic shows. Cyclist killed by car. Police call it road death. Coroner calls it misadventure as the cyclist was drunk, wearing dark clothing on a unlit road and without lights. Fell in front of car.


    Remember its only been a few years since they started to list passenger deaths/injuries separately from the person in charge.

    I remember when all you got was 123 killed in cars. No numbers on how many were single vehicle, how many were passengers etc.

    Again a FOI to the HSE for hospital admissions etc might show something however the other person is always at fault so the figures would be worthless.

    The fact is most cycle/pedestrian incidents go unreported.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,882 ✭✭✭prinzeugen


    Jimoslimos wrote: »
    Your example is simplistic.
    What happens if the old lad who dies at the wheel mounts the pavement and kills a pedestrian? How do you record those deaths?

    Or if the driver has a heart attack but "cause of death" is due to injuries sustained in the crash?

    That is what I am saying.. One body (pardon the pun) will record the same death in different ways, so the statistics might tell you different things.

    You need to ask the government and not me as they are in charge of this stuff at the end of the day!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,930 ✭✭✭Jimoslimos


    prinzeugen wrote: »
    That is what I am saying.. One body (pardon the pun) will record the same death in different ways, so the statistics might tell you different things.

    You need to ask the government and not me as they are in charge of this stuff at the end of the day!
    Actually the UK government go into the stats in great detail.
    https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/reported-road-casualties-great-britain-annual-report-2015

    Includes breakdown on lots of contributory factors. Important to remember that many accidents aren't solely due to a single cause.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,210 ✭✭✭pablo128


    How the fcuk did this turn into a cycling thread? Isn't there a cycling forum somewhere around here?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,930 ✭✭✭Jimoslimos


    pablo128 wrote: »
    How the fcuk did this turn into a cycling thread? Isn't there a cycling forum somewhere around here?
    You're free to discuss tractors, pedestrians, livestock and even motor cars if you wish - all road issues.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,882 ✭✭✭prinzeugen


    Jimoslimos wrote: »
    Actually the UK government go into the stats in great detail.
    https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/reported-road-casualties-great-britain-annual-report-2015

    Includes breakdown on lots of contributory factors. Important to remember that many accidents aren't solely due to a single cause.

    I am from the UK once upon a time and know that.

    In Ireland its a mess how things are recorded. Everyone needs to sing from the same sheet.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,882 ✭✭✭prinzeugen


    Jimoslimos wrote: »
    You're free to discuss tractors, pedestrians, livestock and even motor cars if you wish - all road issues.

    Taking of animals.. I have nearly been wiped out by deer more than once on the motorbike.

    If I was killed by hitting a deer (or more likley the deer hitting me), the media, RSA would say "single vehicle" which equals "must have been speeding or drunk" in some minds.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,637 ✭✭✭BoardsMember


    prinzeugen wrote: »
    Taking of animals.. I have nearly been wiped out by deer more than once on the motorbike.

    If I was killed by hitting a deer (or more likley the deer hitting me), the media, RSA would say "single vehicle" which equals "must have been speeding or drunk" in some minds.

    You don't think the media would mention that you were killed when "in collision with" a deer? I'm calling bullsh1t on that, of course they would.


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