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Waterford GAA Discussion Thread 3 ***Updated Mod Note Post 1***

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,297 ✭✭✭Deise_2012


    Did Darragh Fives actually play? He was named on the bench. I thought he was ruled out until March


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 590 ✭✭✭IanVW


    Deise_2012 wrote: »
    Did Darragh Fives actually play? He was named on the bench. I thought he was ruled out until March

    Yeah came on as second half sub. Actually think most of the players needed this run out. I was at the game and looked like alot of them were clearly lacking match fitness. Austin gleeson was out on his feet for allt of the game so wont do them any harm. Thought Tommy Ryan looked dangerous when introduced i think for Jake Dillon who was poor


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,616 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    IanVW wrote: »
    Yeah came on as second half sub. Actually think most of the players needed this run out. I was at the game and looked like alot of them were clearly lacking match fitness. Austin gleeson was out on his feet for allt of the game so wont do them any harm. Thought Tommy Ryan looked dangerous when introduced i think for Jake Dillon who was poor

    I'd say we might play a game or 2 in the next 10 or so days too get them more match fit prob against club teams (caula won't be paying there Ai semi til the end of Feb due to the derry club playing in the football semis)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 739 ✭✭✭robopaddy2


    Hslaw wrote: »
    Why did he put out an almost full strength team against kerry.  I don't see the logic in it really.
    I can tell you Kerry are actually a handy enough side, no pushovers. They beat the likes of Offaly and Laois last year and racked up some decent scores.  McGrath would be well aware of this. 
    I think he had a fear of the young and inexperienced side of previous 3 games being run close or even beaten by the full strength Kerry side. That would have been a disaster for him and the morale of the squad going into the new season, considering they've already lost 3 on the bounce. Fintan O'Connor would know a lot of the Waterford players being tried out were no great shakes and no doubt would have gone all out for a win. McGrath above all else needed to make sure they got this win, so felt the need to play his near best side. Aside from of course the he needed to start putting his best team together for the league.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,148 ✭✭✭mountgomery burns


    Fantastic to see Stephen Daniels involved.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,297 ✭✭✭Deise_2012


    If we are choosing from a fully fit squad....does Jake Dillon merit a starting place? Genuine question, not starting any debates about pets because for me I'm tired of listening to it.
    He proved me wrong in the first KK game last year, but I thought he was poor enough in the 2nd.

    If Aussie Paudie and Brick are gonna be our half forward line for the year, I'd like to see Paddy Curran and Stephen Bennett given a chance to link up together...that leaves one last place between Maurice, Shane Bennett, Jake, Tommy Ryan, Colin Dunford...nice few options there


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,575 ✭✭✭Stacksofwacks


    Not looking too great for lismore, down 6 pts nearing halftime


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 590 ✭✭✭IanVW


    I dont think he merits a place from what ive seen of him the past couple of years! Plus also include shane bennett to that list


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,575 ✭✭✭Stacksofwacks


    HT 1-10 to 0-9, still in it


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,575 ✭✭✭Stacksofwacks


    42 mins Lismore still in touch 1-13 to 0-12


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,575 ✭✭✭Stacksofwacks


    Lismore probably need a goal soon, Maurice hit the crossbar..finding the Mannions tough to handle


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,575 ✭✭✭Stacksofwacks


    All over 1-17 to 0-13. Lismore met a good team today but didnt play well enough anyway. Got 2 players sent off near the end.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,616 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    All over 1-17 to 0-13. Lismore met a good team today but didnt play well enough anyway. Got 2 players sent off near the end.

    Imo unless a dramatic change That's that for Waterford clubs in the All Ireland Series in any grade, we're just not good enough at club level. Lismore were hot favourites today and didn't show up once again.hard to luck to them as they were on the wrong side of the draw, Carrickshock beat the British champions Robert Emmet's 0-18-1-9 (leading 0-13-0-01 at HT)

    Expect Maurice to be back In the squad for the Tipperary game on the 19th


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,750 ✭✭✭thesultan


    PTH2009 wrote: »
    Imo unless a dramatic change That's that for Waterford clubs in the All Ireland Series in any grade, we're just not good enough at club level. Lismore were hot favourites today and didn't show up once again.hard to luck to them as they were on the wrong side of the draw, Carrickshock beat the British champions Robert Emmet's 0-18-1-9 (leading 0-13-0-01 at HT)

    Expect Maurice to be back In the squad for the Tipperary game on the 19th

    Any report on it?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 103 ✭✭ThaiTanic


    Possible Half forward line? Brick Aussie/Maurice Paudie
    Possible Full Forward line? Paddy Stephen B Shane B?

    Kevin Moran will more than likely play mid field with Jamie Barron for the year (although Conor Gleeson could push him for this position IMO), who do ye think should take the number 6 jersey if Aussie starts number 11? If Aussie didn't start in the half forward line Maurice would be next in for me, Tommy Ryan or Colin Dunford would also be good options to bring in there, even Billy Nolan has been highly impressive and it would be no harm to have another top class free taker in or around the panel. As for Jake Dillion, how can anyone say he deserves a start ahead of any of the lads mentioned above? IMO he is lucky to be anywhere near the panel and there is more deserving lads coming up through the ranks at the moment.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 602 ✭✭✭Giveitfong


    Ahascragh Fohenagh 1-17 Lismore 0-13

    A poor all-round performance saw Lismore slump disappointingly to defeat to Ahascragh Fohenagh in the All-Ireland Intermediate club championship semi-final in Tullamore today. The game was played in wet conditions on soft underfoot conditions made worse by the preceding junior semi-final. There were 3,444 paying customers, a large number of whom left the ground after the first game.

    There was a general systems failure here on Lismore’s part, and it would be hard to identify one of their players who had a good game, although I thought their full back line fought admirably all through. Probably the biggest problem for Lismore was the failure of their half back line to exert the kind of control which we saw in earlier games during the year.

    A second major problem for them was a simplistic game plan involving hitting as many long balls into the opposition goal area as possible, in the hope that Dan Shanahan would inflict some damage inside. In the first half, playing into the breeze, too many of these fell short and were gobbled up by the Ahascragh half backs, especially their powerful centre back Pádraig Mannion. However, even in the second half, this persistent tactic never once produced a scoring chance, as Shanahan’s double markers repeatedly denied Dan clean possession.

    Ahascragh were a better organised side with a good game plan involving good passing movements with a clear emphasis on getting possession to their other county player, Cathal Mannion, who gave a towering performance, especially in the second half. He ended up with twelve points, four of them from play.

    Even then, Lismore created more than enough scoring chances to win this game. They hit 14 wides to Ahascragh’s six, three of which came in the closing stages when they had the game won. While Maurice Shanahan did convert eight frees, he also sent four wide, and had the misfortune to hit the crossbar from a 20 metre free midway through the second half. He also failed to score from four further attempts at goals from close-in frees in the last five minutes. The frustration finally got the better of him, and he received a straight red following a skirmish in the closing minutes. I thought myself that Ray Barry might have had a shot from one or two of these frees.

    The first half was fairly evenly contested, with both teams having their periods of dominance. Jack Prendergast started well for Lismore, with Maurice also causing problems down the left wing. Lismore got their only clear goal chance in the 20th minute, but Prendergast’s well-struck shot was well stopped by the Ahascragh goalkeeper.

    Ahascragh’s goal in the 26th minute was something of a disaster for Lismore. A long ball into the Lismore goal area broke behind the defence, but they had two or three defenders in position to clear the danger. However, one of them seemed to panic, sending a mis-hit clearance across his own goal to the unmarked Luke Cosgrove who finished gratefully to the net. This goal was to prove an anchor around Lismore’s neck for the rest of the game.

    With the wind assistance to come in the second half, Lismore’s half-time deficit of four points (1-10 to 0-9) seemed quite retrievable. However, a series of bad wides sucked the life out of them while at the same time putting additional wind into Ahascragh’s sails, as reflected in the number of times they emerged with the ball out of rucks, with their supporters’ cheers giving them extra momentum.

    Lismore dominated the closing stages as they desperately sought to save the game, but in the mucky conditions, and with Ahascragh packing their defence, the goal they desperately needed never materialised. A goal from one of the late series of close frees might have changed things, but it was not forthcoming.

    Lismore: Seanie Barry; Stevie Barry; David Prendergast; Pat Hennessy; Eoin Bennett; Ray Barry; Paudie Prendergast; John Prendergast (0-2); Jordan Shanahan; Brendan Landers (0-1); Jack Prendergast (0-1); Maurice Shanahan (0-9, 0-8 frees); Peter O’Keeffe; Dan Shanahan; Brian Bennett.

    Subs: Anthony McGlone for Brian Bennett; Seán Reaney for Jordan Shanahan; Ronan Landers for Peter O’Keeffe; Aaron Whelan for Brendan Landers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,750 ✭✭✭thesultan


    Giveitfong wrote: »
    Ahascragh Fohenagh 1-17 Lismore 0-13

    A poor all-round performance saw Lismore slump disappointingly to defeat to Ahascragh Fohenagh in the All-Ireland Intermediate club championship semi-final in Tullamore today. The game was played in wet conditions on soft underfoot conditions made worse by the preceding junior semi-final. There were 3,444 paying customers, a large number of whom left the ground after the first game.

    There was a general systems failure here on Lismore’s part, and it would be hard to identify one of their players who had a good game, although I thought their full back line fought admirably all through. Probably the biggest problem for Lismore was the failure of their half back line to exert the kind of control which we saw in earlier games during the year.

    A second major problem for them was a simplistic game plan involving hitting as many long balls into the opposition goal area as possible, in the hope that Dan Shanahan would inflict some damage inside. In the first half, playing into the breeze, too many of these fell short and were gobbled up by the Ahascragh half backs, especially their powerful centre back Pádraig Mannion. However, even in the second half, this persistent tactic never once produced a scoring chance, as Shanahan’s double markers repeatedly denied Dan clean possession.

    Ahascragh were a better organised side with a good game plan involving good passing movements with a clear emphasis on getting possession to their other county player, Cathal Mannion, who gave a towering performance, especially in the second half. He ended up with twelve points, four of them from play.

    Even then, Lismore created more than enough scoring chances to win this game. They hit 14 wides to Ahascragh’s six, three of which came in the closing stages when they had the game won. While Maurice Shanahan did convert eight frees, he also sent four wide, and had the misfortune to hit the crossbar from a 20 metre free midway through the second half. He also failed to score from four further attempts at goals from close-in frees in the last five minutes. The frustration finally got the better of him, and he received a straight red following a skirmish in the closing minutes. I thought myself that Ray Barry might have had a shot from one or two of these frees.

    The first half was fairly evenly contested, with both teams having their periods of dominance. Jack Prendergast started well for Lismore, with Maurice also causing problems down the left wing. Lismore got their only clear goal chance in the 20th minute, but Prendergast’s well-struck shot was well stopped by the Ahascragh goalkeeper.

    Ahascragh’s goal in the 26th minute was something of a disaster for Lismore. A long ball into the Lismore goal area broke behind the defence, but they had two or three defenders in position to clear the danger. However, one of them seemed to panic, sending a mis-hit clearance across his own goal to the unmarked Luke Cosgrove who finished gratefully to the net. This goal was to prove an anchor around Lismore’s neck for the rest of the game.

    With the wind assistance to come in the second half, Lismore’s half-time deficit of four points (1-10 to 0-9) seemed quite retrievable. However, a series of bad wides sucked the life out of them while at the same time putting additional wind into Ahascragh’s sails, as reflected in the number of times they emerged with the ball out of rucks, with their supporters’ cheers giving them extra momentum.

    Lismore dominated the closing stages as they desperately sought to save the game, but in the mucky conditions, and with Ahascragh packing their defence, the goal they desperately needed never materialised. A goal from one of the late series of close frees might have changed things, but it was not forthcoming.

    Lismore: Seanie Barry; Stevie Barry; David Prendergast; Pat Hennessy; Eoin Bennett; Ray Barry; Paudie Prendergast; John Prendergast (0-2); Jordan Shanahan; Brendan Landers (0-1); Jack Prendergast (0-1); Maurice Shanahan (0-9, 0-8 frees); Peter O’Keeffe; Dan Shanahan; Brian Bennett.

    Subs: Anthony McGlone for Brian Bennett; Seán Reaney for Jordan Shanahan; Ronan Landers for Peter O’Keeffe; Aaron Whelan for Brendan Landers.

    Was there two red cards?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 103 ✭✭ThaiTanic


    thesultan wrote: »
    Was there two red cards?

    Yeah Maurice and Jack Prendergast


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 739 ✭✭✭robopaddy2


    PTH2009 wrote: »

    Imo unless a dramatic change That's that for Waterford clubs in the All Ireland Series in any grade, we're just not good enough at club level. Lismore were hot favourites today and didn't show up once again.hard to luck to them as they were on the wrong side of the draw, Carrickshock beat the British champions Robert Emmet's 0-18-1-9 (leading 0-13-0-01 at HT)

    Expect Maurice to be back In the squad for the Tipperary game on the 19th
    Showing a clear lack of knowledge and understanding about club hurling here again. You do realise Lismore won a very competitive Munster intermediate championship, no mean feat. Obviously today wasn't their day, came up against a better side, maybe indiscipline came back to haunt them and cost them a bit, I don't know I wasn't there. But to say 'we' (I assume you mean Waterford, not Lismore) are not good enough at club level after one defeat is a crock of s**t


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 328 ✭✭HatchetMan7


    1. Billy Nolan
    2. C Gleeson  3. T de Burca  4. N Connors
    5. D Fives  6. K Moran  7. R Barry
    8. J Barron  9. Colin Dunford
    10. Shane Bennett  11. Austin Gleason  12. P Mahony
    13. P Curran  14. Stephan Bennett  15. M Shanahan

    Subs: S O Keeffe, B. Coughlan, S Daniels, S Fives, Phillip Mahony, Brick Walsh, T Devine, B O Halloran, T Ryan, M Kearney, Rest of 2016 U21 winning team etc.

    Controversial? I would see that as maybe our best hurling 15. Although Brick deserves a place on the team. Could Kevin Moran do a good job at no. 6 though?  You need your half back line to be very strong in the air and i think this is where Philip Mahony could lose out.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,148 ✭✭✭mountgomery burns


    Kevin Moran is not an inter county center back.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,768 ✭✭✭✭tomwaterford


    1. Billy Nolan
    2. C Gleeson  3. T de Burca  4. N Connors
    5. D Fives  6. K Moran  7. R Barry
    8. J Barron  9. Colin Dunford
    10. Shane Bennett  11. Austin Gleason  12. P Mahony
    13. P Curran  14. Stephan Bennett  15. M Shanahan

    Subs: S O Keeffe, B. Coughlan, S Daniels, S Fives, Phillip Mahony, Brick Walsh, T Devine, B O Halloran, T Ryan, M Kearney, Rest of 2016 U21 winning team etc.

    Controversial? I would see that as maybe our best hurling 15. Although Brick deserves a place on the team. Could Kevin Moran do a good job at no. 6 though?  You need your half back line to be very strong in the air and i think this is where Philip Mahony could lose out.

    T d bura and moran are wide open to beibg exposed for pace there

    What ray barry has done to merit beibg the starting 15 ahead of shane fives remains to b seen???

    That forward line is an excitibg prospext howevrr


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 328 ✭✭HatchetMan7


    Kevin Moran is not an inter county center back.
    Probably more wishful thinking on my part as Moran has never been put centre back over any sustained period for a reason i just think that we need someone thats strong in the air and can't be physically dominated like what happened T de Burca last year marking Mick fennelly.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,297 ✭✭✭Deise_2012


    How could you have Billy Nolan in goal and he has never played a game of Senior Inter county in goals??

    Colin Dunford not strong enough for midfield, he needs to improve his composure if he has any chance to make it at Senior Inter county.

    I'd go for
    SOK
    Shane Fives, Coughlan, Noelie
    Tadhg, Darragh Fives, Philip Mahony
    Jamie Barron, Kevin Moran
    Brick, Paudie, Aussie
    Patrick Curran, Maurice and Stephen Bennett


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 328 ✭✭HatchetMan7


    1. Billy Nolan
    2. C Gleeson  3. T de Burca  4. N Connors
    5. D Fives  6. K Moran  7. R Barry
    8. J Barron  9. Colin Dunford
    10. Shane Bennett  11. Austin Gleason  12. P Mahony
    13. P Curran  14. Stephan Bennett  15. M Shanahan

    Subs: S O Keeffe, B. Coughlan, S Daniels, S Fives, Phillip Mahony, Brick Walsh, T Devine, B O Halloran, T Ryan, M Kearney, Rest of 2016 U21 winning team etc.

    Controversial? I would see that as maybe our best hurling 15. Although Brick deserves a place on the team. Could Kevin Moran do a good job at no. 6 though?  You need your half back line to be very strong in the air and i think this is where Philip Mahony could lose out.

    T d bura and moran are wide open to beibg exposed for pace there

    What ray barry has done to merit beibg the starting 15 ahead of shane fives remains to b seen???

    That forward line is an excitibg prospext howevrr

    I don't think there is much in it between Shane Fives, Ray Barry, Philip Mahony or Stephan Daniels in hurling ability but i would just like to see Ray Barry given a few games at wing back in the league with close to our full team out and see how he'd do.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 328 ✭✭HatchetMan7


    Deise_2012 wrote: »
    How could you have Billy Nolan in goal and he has never played a game of Senior Inter county in goals??

    Colin Dunford not strong enough for midfield, he needs to improve his composure if he has any chance to make it at Senior Inter county.

    I'd go for
    SOK
    Shane Fives, Coughlan, Noelie
    Tadhg, Darragh Fives, Philip Mahony
    Jamie Barron, Kevin Moran
    Brick, Paudie, Aussie
    Patrick Curran, Maurice and Stephen Bennett

     If Billy Nolan is given a few league games in goal he could very well hold on to that position come championship. Just my opinion.


  • Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 950 ✭✭✭mickmackmcgoo


    IMO if Billy Nolan is given a few league games in goal he could very well hold on to that position come championship. Just my opinion.


    He isn't a goalkeeper though at the moment. He is a good one for sure but he is being given his chance as a forward which is where he wants to play. He is young and only doing his leaving this year I think so plenty of time in the future for him


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 103 ✭✭ThaiTanic


    1. Billy Nolan
    2. C Gleeson  3. T de Burca  4. N Connors
    5. D Fives  6. K Moran  7. R Barry
    8. J Barron  9. Colin Dunford
    10. Shane Bennett  11. Austin Gleason  12. P Mahony
    13. P Curran  14. Stephan Bennett  15. M Shanahan

    Subs: S O Keeffe, B. Coughlan, S Daniels, S Fives, Phillip Mahony, Brick Walsh, T Devine, B O Halloran, T Ryan, M Kearney, Rest of 2016 U21 winning team etc.

    Controversial? I would see that as maybe our best hurling 15. Although Brick deserves a place on the team. Could Kevin Moran do a good job at no. 6 though?  You need your half back line to be very strong in the air and i think this is where Philip Mahony could lose out.

    1. SOK
    2. D Fives  3. C Gleeson  4. N Connors
    5. M Harney  6. T D Burca  7. S Fives
    8. J Barron  9. K Moran
    10. Shane Bennett  11. Austin Gleason  12. P Mahony
    13. P Curran  14. M Shannahan  15. St Bennett


    I wouldnt ruin Billy Nolan by forcing him to be a keeper. He is too good out field for that and with SOK we have probably the best keeper in the country (the only thing hes lacking is the puckouts but id imagine these are alot harder than we think giving their gameplan and short puckout strategy.)If we are going with Aussie no.11 we need someone like TDB at no 6. Hes not a full back but has the mobility and awareness and size to play the number 6 role (aswell as a savage hand and brillant distribution) as we all seen how good he was at playing sweeper in 2015. Its worth giving TDB a go there for the league and Conor Gleeson a go at number 3. We need a new fullback with pace we all know that. I would also give Harney a go wing back during the league seeing as he was one of the best under 21s last year and gave a man of the match display in the All Ireland Final and we havent seen much of him yet this year due to injury. At center field I wouldnt start Dunford as he dosent have the natural defensive mindset that for instance Barron would have. Maybe Moran would be our best bet here. In the forwards its hard to leave brick out of the team. If Aussie is starting no.11 I cant see much room for brick to be honest. The only other option I would consider would be starting Aussie and Jamie midfield (Jamie as the holding midfielder giving Aussie freedom) this would require dropping moran and starting Brick number 11. Our free taker Pauric is a shoe in and rightly so as is Shane Bennett on the other side. Paddy Curran will probably start in the corner with Stevie Bennett coming into the form of his life at the moment so should be an automatic start if he stays fit. Maurice should be our full forward for the year too IMO if he stays fit. This is all taking into account we play 15 v 15 hurling for once or at the very least 5 forwards. Its worth trying for the league and see what happens. Scrap this defensive **** McGrath you've one last role of the dice. You will hold most average teams to low scores playing the way we have done but it just goes to show what happens when you come up against a good team like Tipperary and we get blow out of the Water. We have the hurlers coming through that are now good enough to play 15v15 they have won College All Irelands, a Minor All Ireland and now a u21 All Ireland playing 15v15 so its time to integrate it back into the Senior team. The defensive plan was only meant to be a 1 year thing for McGrath to steady the ship when he came in. Its getting like a bad hangover now and if we start off playing the league with the defensive crap again I for one wont go to another Senior Hurling game this year. Its more entertaining watching the Waterford Footballers the past 2 years, yeah well probably get bet but atleast they'll give it a go.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 328 ✭✭HatchetMan7


    Stephan O Keeffe is one of the best shot stoppers in the game but as you said his distribution isn't up to the same standard as other top keepers imo. The problem though for me is that a keepers ability to find a player and keep possession in the modern game is just as important if not more so than shot stopping.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17 eastwestlad


    1. Billy Nolan
    2. C Gleeson  3. T de Burca  4. N Connors
    5. D Fives  6. K Moran  7. R Barry
    8. J Barron  9. Colin Dunford
    10. Shane Bennett  11. Austin Gleason  12. P Mahony
    13. P Curran  14. Stephan Bennett  15. M Shanahan

    Subs: S O Keeffe, B. Coughlan, S Daniels, S Fives, Phillip Mahony, Brick Walsh, T Devine, B O Halloran, T Ryan, M Kearney, Rest of 2016 U21 winning team etc.

    Controversial? I would see that as maybe our best hurling 15. Although Brick deserves a place on the team. Could Kevin Moran do a good job at no. 6 though?  You need your half back line to be very strong in the air and i think this is where Philip Mahony could lose out.


    If sorry but if you look at Conor Prunty, you know the 20 year old whos 6ft 5 and 16 stone? Yeah him. He will be starting come championship. Guarantee. Anyone who knows him or knows of him knows he's an animal, hes bigger and stronger than the entire team already, and his hurling is top notch. He could be the countys answer too the full back problem. Problem is he can play anywhere 2-15. I think anyone whos been clued in on his development can vouch that statement! He will be starting somewhere in the backs come championship!


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