Eir rural FTTH thread

plodder · 24-01-2017 06:01PM

The Cush wrote: »

Proposed wholesale price increase, the charge for the ONT Installed by open eir is going up from €150 to €270 from Feb 1st.

http://www.openeir.ie/WorkArea/DownloadAsset.aspx?id=4051

80% increase! How do they justify that? That's going to put a lot of people off.

damienirel · 24-01-2017 06:02PM

Finding 3mb bb at this stage is like an endurance test.
The amount of updates downloading when I turn on my PC.
Not to mention podcast subs. The missus laptop updates and tablet and phones.
Slow webpage loading times -etc.

It's not realistic to call 3mb broadband anymore. It was grand 15 years ago - but in todays world its well past it's sell by date.

Gwynston · 24-01-2017 06:05PM

The Cush wrote: »

Proposed wholesale price increase, the charge for the ONT Installed by open eir is going up from €150 to €270 from Feb 1st.

http://www.openeir.ie/WorkArea/DownloadAsset.aspx?id=4051

Is that an installation fee anyone signing up to Fibre Extreme has to pay?

damienirel · 24-01-2017 06:15PM

plodder wrote: »

80% increase! How do they justify that? That's going to put a lot of people off.

Seems a bit unfair considering 5 people got it installed at the cheapo rate -

tsue921i8wljb3 · 24-01-2017 06:21PM

Gwynston wrote: »

Is that an installation fee anyone signing up to Fibre Extreme has to pay?

I assume the retail operators are absorbing the charge at present. It may have a knock on effect on monthly prices though.

damienirel · 24-01-2017 06:21PM

Gwynston wrote: »

Is that an installation fee anyone signing up to Fibre Extreme has to pay?

Yup - you will need an ONT.

damienirel · 24-01-2017 06:23PM

Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »

I assume the retail operators are absorbing the charge at present. It may have a knock on effect on monthly prices though.

I'd say we all have plenty of time to save up for it - the rate this rollout is going.:D

ED E · 24-01-2017 06:24PM

Expect all 24mo contracts with that kind of initial outlay.

The Cush · 24-01-2017 06:25PM

Gwynston wrote: »

Is that an installation fee anyone signing up to Fibre Extreme has to pay?

No, it's the wholesale fee open-eir charge the retailers such as eir for installation of the ONT.

damienirel · 24-01-2017 06:26PM

ED E wrote: »

Expect all 24mo contracts with that kind of initial outlay.

Someone has to pay for the windfall....
http://www.independent.ie/business/media/executives-at-eir-set-for-181m-windfall-after-ipo-35341851.html

damienirel · 24-01-2017 06:28PM

The Cush wrote: »

No, it's the wholesale fee open-eir charge the retailers such as eir for installation of the ONT.

Which I assume will be passed on in Eirs case with immediate effect? Or maybe they absorb it to give themselves an edge over the competitors?
Is that legal?

Gonzo · 24-01-2017 06:29PM

damienirel wrote: »

It's not realistic to call 3mb broadband anymore. It was grand 15 years ago - but in todays world its well past it's sell by date.

It's not even realistic to call any ADSL 1/2 product broadband at this stage. It's the dialup of today. My 8meg broadband was great till about 2011 but over the past 6 years speeds and requirements have leapfrogged us multiple times.

An average game download takes between 12 and 72 hours depending on size. An average 1080p movie download takes 1-2 hours.
Steaming qualities have to be lowered so there isn't constant buffering.
Start 1 internet related task and very little others can take place.

All that is very similar to the trials I had back on 28k modems in 1997.

damienirel · 24-01-2017 06:33PM

Yeah streaming is one thing(i can only dream of proper HD streaming) - but just software updates cripple a crappy dsl line now.

tsue921i8wljb3 · 24-01-2017 06:39PM

damienirel wrote: »

You don't think Eir could be "disingenuous" do you? :P

It would be a leap even for them to list 100000 premises on a page, say "we'll do these over the next year", only then to come back 12 months later to say "actually we did 36000 alternative premises that we never bothered mentioning".

Gwynston · 24-01-2017 06:40PM

damienirel wrote: »

Yeah streaming is one thing(i can only dream of proper HD streaming) - but just software updates cripple a crappy dsl line now.

You're best setting Windows update to not update automatically. Otherwise as you've found, it will just hamstring you every time you boot up.

I wait a fortnight or so for a bunch of updates to be available, then manually start the update download at a quiet time that's not going kill internet access for everyone else in the house.

When you're struggling with 1.7meg, you have to make these concessions!

damienirel · 24-01-2017 06:48PM

Gwynston wrote: »

You're best setting Windows update to not update automatically. Otherwise as you've found, it will just hamstring you every time you boot up.

I wait a fortnight or so for a bunch of updates to be available, then manually start the update download at a quiet time that's not going kill internet access for everyone else in the house.

When you're struggling with 1.7meg, you have to make these concessions!

Brutal in 2017 that this is the $hite we have to do to use the internet. Updates should be taken once they're out - security online is compromised otherwise.

KOR101 · 24-01-2017 06:49PM

Gwynston wrote: »

You're best setting Windows update to not update automatically. Otherwise as you've found, it will just hamstring you every time you boot up.

That setting no longer exists in Windows 10. Just in case you're ever tempted.

plodder · 24-01-2017 06:49PM

damienirel wrote: »

Seems a bit unfair considering 5 people got it installed at the cheapo rate -

Joking aside, it does call into question exactly how many installs they have done, as opposed to premises passed?

KOR101 · 24-01-2017 06:52PM

Gwynston wrote: »

There doesn't seem to be any rhyme nor reason to the pattern of blue line areas being enabled for FTTH. And only small sections of a given exchange area seem to be getting enabled initially. Which suggest there will be a lot of return visits by crews to many areas.

That's exactly what you would do if your real goal is to lay claim to those exchanges, thereby excluding them from the NBP.

Thankfully, the report in the SBP suggests the Department may still be willing to push back against this ruse.

Gonzo · 24-01-2017 07:00PM

plodder wrote: »

Joking aside, it does call into question exactly how many installs they have done, as opposed to premises passed?

that information is rarely given. It's all about premises passed. Once a premises is passed then it should be relatively straight forward to get a decent connection.

With most exchanges 12 months behind schedule the main issue now is just getting as many premises passed as soon as possible.

blueser · 24-01-2017 07:09PM

cnocbui wrote: »

You need to select the option on the right of the map that causes the map to display your nearest exchange - big green dot. Then if you mouse over the exchange, you will get a box showing your projected FTTH date.

The delay is for similar reasons as to why Rome wasn't built in a day.

Cheers. "Estimated date for first live FTTH Fibre services with speeds up to 1000Mb/s (yeah, right) is 2017/18. I'd give my left wotsit for 70 or 80 Mb/s right now and gladly forego the 1000Mb/s, which I'll never see anyway, being 3 miles from the exchange.

ccazza · 24-01-2017 07:12PM

blueser wrote: »

Cheers. "Estimated date for first live FTTH Fibre services with speeds up to 1000Mb/s (yeah, right) is 2017/18. I'd give my left wotsit for 70 or 80 Mb/s right now and gladly forego the 1000Mb/s, which I'll never see anyway, being 3 miles from the exchange.

For FTTH it doesn't matter how far you are from the exchange. If you sign up for 1000mb you could get that. It's all done through Fibre cables.

ED E · 24-01-2017 07:13PM

blueser wrote: »

Cheers. "Estimated date for first live FTTH Fibre services with speeds up to 1000Mb/s (yeah, right) is 2017/18. I'd give my left wotsit for 70 or 80 Mb/s right now and gladly forego the 1000Mb/s, which I'll never see anyway, being 3 miles from the exchange.

Read at least some of the thread.

Its 1000Mb at 10km or 10m. If you get it, you get full whack.

The Cush · 24-01-2017 07:13PM

blueser wrote: »

gladly forego the 1000Mb/s, which I'll never see anyway, being 3 miles from the exchange.

FTTH isn't distance limited like FTTC, it can go 20kms before amplification.

ccazza · 24-01-2017 07:14PM

We had our 3rd visit from KN networks today. They finally sent the 2 man team and they brought the cable to the house but can't install the broadband yet as Eir still haven't given them the correct DP point. It's just ridiculous at this stage.

digiman · 24-01-2017 08:00PM

ccazza wrote: »

We had our 3rd visit from KN networks today. They finally sent the 2 man team and they brought the cable to the house but can't install the broadband yet as Eir still haven't given them the correct DP point. It's just ridiculous at this stage.

Sounds like your alone are completely responsible for the OpenEir price rise in installation costs!!

blueser · 24-01-2017 08:24PM

Thanks for the replies.

tsue921i8wljb3 · 24-01-2017 08:33PM

I've updated the spreadsheet with the latest announced exchanges. I was generous to Openeir as I have included certain urban areas like Ennis and Letterkenny where the premises count has increased but the lines done may not actually be in a rural area. As they are on the rural list I've given them the benefit of the doubt.

As it stands today I make the number of premises passed to be 6910 out of 106340 for a 6.5% completion rate.

Killinick in Wexford seems to be the only area fully complete with 420 out of 420 done.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1zx94jb-PxH3UHE5zWEVKAOE6pzGUUSG2C2ILY1P6yOo/edit#gid=0

fergus1001 · 24-01-2017 08:36PM

Does anyone know if eir have added any new blue lines to the roll out or is it as was ?

tsue921i8wljb3 · 24-01-2017 08:38PM

fergus1001 wrote: »

Does anyone know if eir have added any new blue lines to the roll out or is it as was ?

As far as I can tell the map has not been altered from when it was published last year.

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