Eir rural FTTH thread

damienirel

mcquaim wrote: »

Yeah, pretty **** alrite and hence upgrading to FTTH

It was via LAN cable but I think my line had issues or it was the Pure Telecom setup perhaps!

I moved to Eir this time just in case it was a Pure Telecom issue..

50ms sounds worse than it is though, mostly gaming where you'd notice it mostly but for day to day it wasn't too noticeable..

Ah well you're happy out now with a 5ms ping ya lucky b@llix! :P

KOR101

I think the 35,000 per quarter goal may be for real, but they would be thinking in terms of preparing capacity for the NBP.

damienirel

KOR101 wrote: »

I think the 35,000 per quarter goal may be for real, but they would be thinking in terms of preparing capacity for the NBP.

Nothing published on the NBP since that map from years ago. One thing is for sure somebody is gonna be awarded the contract and they will make a shed load of cash in the process.

ED E

Just remember lads, its not all fun and games!

http://fixyourstreet.ie/reports/view/66451?s=ea&full=1

Report: Sewage leaking into underground telecoms housing

Hi
eir lifted the cover from their telecoms exchange outside 18 Old Bridge Road, Dublin 16,and it appears to be collecting sewage from the adjacent drain.

Gonzo

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

To me that means they have now admitted their target of end March is not going to be met.
It will not even be met by end of June.

That is a HUGE failure on eir's part.

If I were responsible for issuing contracts I would be very very reluctant to award one to eir, and definitely would not award two.

I believe this will damage their position regarding the NBP contracts ...... and rightly so.

While I would agree with this, who else in fairness is capable of rolling out FTTH to rural locations?

Imagine's technology is not fit for purpose and they've already been discounted. Virgin Media have no interest in the NBP or rural areas. Siro to date have been very slow and have no experience in working in rural locations. E-net or whoever their called have done very little as well, they trialed a rollout somewhere in Kerry? then there is Eir, while slow and have not meet targets since starting the FTTH rollout, at least they are making some progress and have experience in rural areas.

I think no matter who wins the NBP it's going to take years and years longer than any of us imagined based on Siro and Eir's current 'commercial' rollouts. I'm beginning to think there will be rural homes still waiting for a connection by 2030.

Johnboy1951

Gonzo wrote: »

While I would agree with this, who else in fairness is capable of rolling out FTTH to rural locations?

Imagine's technology is not fit for purpose and they've already been discounted. Virgin Media have no interest in the NBP or rural areas. Siro to date have been very slow and have no experience in working in rural locations. E-net or whoever their called have done very little as well, they trialed a rollout somewhere in Kerry? then there is Eir, while slow and have not meet targets since starting the FTTH rollout, at least they are making some progress and have experience in rural areas.

I think no matter who wins the NBP it's going to take years and years longer than any of us imagined based on Siro and Eir's current 'commercial' rollouts. I'm beginning to think there will be rural homes still waiting for a connection by 2030.

I hope you are wrong about the 2030

I would point out the SIRO have great experience working in rural areas.
They already are connected to all premises that would require fibre, so have the means to get to all of them.
Yes I suspect there would be quite a lag if they are awarded the contract, as they would have to set up the distribution gear in all areas, wheras eir already have that part in place for the most part.

Nevertheless, I see SIRO as having a good chance of the NBP contract/s. What might work against them is that they likely would estimate it to take longer than eir would ..... but who can now believe eir's estimates ?

Also of consideration is that the addition of fibre to the electricity lines would not put any substantial extra strain on their poles, which are I believe in a better condition than eirs to begin with.
So I would not expect a delay for pole replacement ..... or indeed for hedge trimming which they do regularly to protect their lines.

We must wait and see what is decided I guess.

damienirel

ED E wrote: »

Just remember lads, its not all fun and games!

http://fixyourstreet.ie/reports/view/66451?s=ea&full=1

Errrr $hit happens! :P

damienirel

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

I hope you are wrong about the 2030

I would point out the SIRO have great experience working in rural areas.
They already are connected to all premises that would require fibre, so have the means to get to all of them.
Yes I suspect there would be quite a lag if they are awarded the contract, as they would have to set up the distribution gear in all areas, wheras eir already have that part in place for the most part.

Nevertheless, I see SIRO as having a good chance of the NBP contract/s. What might work against them is that they likely would estimate it to take longer than eir would ..... but who can now believe eir's estimates ?

Also of consideration is that the addition of fibre to the electricity lines would not put any substantial extra strain on their poles, which are I believe in a better condition than eirs to begin with.
So I would not expect a delay for pole replacement ..... or indeed for hedge trimming which they do regularly to protect their lines.

We must wait and see what is decided I guess.

Funny how I was saying this a long time ago and getting shot down for saying it. BTW I'm not calling you out on it Gonzo - just using you're last post as an example of the reality that we are now in with Eir and their hollow promises.

damienirel

Maybe when Eir win the NBP it might be the much needed shot in the arm to get started properly on a commercial roll out.
They seem to be sitting on there @rses for the last couple of months, waiting for the awarding of the contract. Siro are playing a fierce slow game too. Would love to see somebody like enet give the whole thing a kick. Not likely as there's too much money at stake.

Gonzo

Eir's new estimations are now saying 80k premises passed by end of June, if that works out then maybe the first 100k will be done by end of August, this would include some exchanges not mentioned in the first 100k as some of those have been moved into the second half of this year.

February will be an interesting month, it looks like the first month where they have finally stepped things up a few gears. We have 10/11 exchanges going live in the first 3 days of February with nothing to go on after that. Perhaps we will get another update with another 10/12 exchanges for second half of February. Activating 20-25 exchanges in February would give this roll-out some credibility at last and may even see them completing the entire roll-out close enough to the end of December 2018.

Johnboy1951

Gonzo wrote: »

Eir's new estimations are now saying 80k premises passed by end of June, if that works out then maybe the first 100k will be done by end of August, this would include some exchanges not mentioned in the first 100k as some of those have been moved into the second half of this year.

February will be an interesting month, it looks like the first month where they have finally stepped things up a few gears. We have 10/11 exchanges going live in the first 3 days of February with nothing to go on after that. Perhaps we will get another update with another 10/12 exchanges for second half of February. Activating 20-25 exchanges in February would give this roll-out some credibility at last and may even see them completing the entire roll-out close enough to the end of December 2018.

Yes, I have expected that Feb would see considerable 'visible' improvement in the roll out, but I am disappointed that the target has slipped so badly.
It would seem that the preparation work was more time-consuming than eir estimated. A bad error on their part.

I believe there is no 'step up in gear' involved, only that what was planned is now becoming available, and all possible effort has been extended all along. They met with more problems or longer times for other reasons than estimated.

It is possible that the 300K could be completed by end 2018, as they, no doubt, have gained much info and experience from the roll out to date.

Their estimation error does not sit well with me though.

Bored Accountant

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

It would seem that the preparation work was more time-consuming than eir estimated. A bad error on their part.

Their estimation error does not sit well with me though.

Just to be play devils advocate, KN & other 3rd Party companies are doing most of the work. Is it in fact these companies that are being contracted to do the work that are causing the delays? They are being employed to do a certain amount of work and failing to meet the deadlines, and eir are at their mercy due to the low amount of permanant staff they have?

In regards to fulfilling orders, I think the FTTH installation teams are seperate to the teams doing the roll out, so they should have no impact each other?

damienirel

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

Yes, I have expected that Feb would see considerable 'visible' improvement in the roll out, but I am disappointed that the target has slipped so badly.
It would seem that the preparation work was more time-consuming than eir estimated. A bad error on their part.

I believe there is no 'step up in gear' involved, only that what was planned is now becoming available, and all possible effort has been extended all along. They met with more problems or longer times for other reasons than estimated.

It is possible that the 300K could be completed by end 2018, as they, no doubt, have gained much info and experience from the roll out to date.

Their estimation error does not sit well with me though.

Their estimations are based on what exactly? It's not like they've ever done this before? They have outsourced a lot of it and the companies and people involved have never worked on anything like this before - their estimations don't mean jack, I look on only in hope that they somewhat meet some of their targets. It has started very badly and will continue to be slow I'm afraid.

ED E

damienirel wrote: »

Their estimations are based on what exactly? It's not like they've ever done this before? They have outsourced a lot of it and the companies and people involved have never worked on anything like this before - their estimations don't mean jack, I look on only in hope that they somewhat meet some of their targets. It has started very badly and will continue to be slow I'm afraid.

Eh, no.

OpenEir(Eir Wholesale) have been running fibre on smaller scales for decades. FTTH trials started 6yrs ago IIRC from SND.

KNN are doing the civils but its not a fire and forget thing, they're under OpenEir supervision. OpenEir are also doing a load in house (thats what the 300 hires a year ago were for).

If anyone knows what they're doing its OpenEir, meanwhile it appears SIRO(ESB Telco) underestimated just how much work was required.

damienirel

ED E wrote: »

Eh, no.

OpenEir(Eir Wholesale) have been running fibre on smaller scales for decades. FTTH trials started 6yrs ago IIRC from SND.

KNN are doing the civils but its not a fire and forget thing, they're under OpenEir supervision. OpenEir are also doing a load in house (thats what the 300 hires a year ago were for).

If anyone knows what they're doing its OpenEir, meanwhile it appears SIRO(ESB Telco) underestimated just how much work was required.

You would say that wouldn't you! :-) Hope they pay you commission for posts here.

damienirel

So basically Eir are the best of a $hite(Enet & Siro) bunch! Meanwhile we'll continue to wait.....and wait.....

ratracer

Bored Accountant wrote: »

In regards to fulfilling orders, I think the FTTH installation teams are seperate to the teams doing the roll out, so they should have no impact each other?

But the FTTH installation teams can't work until the civil eng work and cable pulling is done though!

The Kinvara exchange is a but behind schedule, local politician had said all along that Kinvara exchange was next to be worked in after Turloughmore, and it appears this is still the case. Some fibre cable has been run on some of the blue lines here, so I'm hoping we're in the land of connectivity by the start of summer!

damienirel

Picture Gonzo over the next few weeks/months....

Gonzo

damienirel wrote: »

Picture Gonzo over the next few weeks/months....

Work here started almost a year ago. Back then I was really excited, and would not have believed nearly a year later that I would still be sitting and waiting. It's great that the area is wired up but until the area goes live, I could still end up going through what Shyboy has gone through. For all I know I could still be sitting waiting into the summer if I'm not around when the Eir reps call or if I can't persaude the drones in the call centers that outside my gate is wired for fiber.

damienirel

Yeah all the talk of them being way ahead of everybody - in the land of the blind the one eyed man is king.
I would expect they be ahead of everybody by the way and I would be very fupping surprised if they were not.
It's not like they have much of a business if they can't be be ahead of company who's sole purpose is to provide electricity whilst yours is communication in a world where we've moved on a bit from a phone.

mcquaim

mcquaim wrote: »

They used the old copper wire in this place to pull in the new fibre cable so perhaps that might be possible for you too!!

The guys were saying all the hassle is getting the fibre into the actual houses, most of them were not built with this in mind, pity really..

I expect this approach here as the duct goes into the attic and then it's a clear run to the master socket.

damienirel

damienirel wrote: »

Errrr $hit happens! :P

Just be thankful, it isn't gas!

Gonzo

the roll-out could be entering another potential problem but hopefully this won't happen. So far this winter has been very kind in terms of dry and calm weather but this is set to change. February is looking like it could be considerably more disturbed with frequent bouts of rain and wind. I don't think rain is much of a problem unless it is excessive but bad winds frequently in the month could cause problems if there is gonna several disruptive wind events. We usually have several of these each winter and we haven't really had any proper wind events here yet this winter.

9726_9726

ED E wrote: »

Just remember lads, its not all fun and games!

http://fixyourstreet.ie/reports/view/66451?s=ea&full=1

Broadband in the area was reported to be sh1t.

9726_9726

9726_9726 wrote: »

Broadband in the area was reported to be sh1t.

Well you can always use the following command to find out.
# pong -t 8.8.8.8

Gonzo

Gonzo wrote: »

the roll-out could be entering another potential problem but hopefully this won't happen. So far this winter has been very kind in terms of dry and calm weather but this is set to change. February is looking like it could be considerably more disturbed with frequent bouts of rain and wind. I don't think rain is much of a problem unless it is excessive but bad winds frequently in the month could cause problems if there is gonna several disruptive wind events. We usually have several of these each winter and we haven't really had any proper wind events here yet this winter.

Hopefully, wind won't be a serious issue. But, At this time of year there could be more damage in a major wind event due to the ground being saturated and causing trees to fall on lines.

Fingers crossed.

John1993W

How exactly do they pull fibre wires from the road to the house? I assume these wires go all the way to the telephone socket?

There a underground splice box directly outside of my home and there was Diffusion guys working at it a few days back as well as KN before them.

ads20101

Deleted User wrote: »

Well you can always use the following command to find out.
# pong -t 8.8.8.8

surely you mean ping ?

ED E

ads20101 wrote: »

surely you mean ping ?

The joke, you missed it.

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