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Eir rural FTTH thread

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  • #3062
    MoeJay
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 500 ✭✭✭MoeJay


    Lots of work going on today in the Riverstown/Glenmore area (Co. Louth), might even make the March target date!


  • #3063
    mdfire
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 253 ✭✭mdfire


    pegasus1 wrote: »
    Good luck with that....not even people high up in Eir can get it done...:rolleyes:

    Spoke a chap on saturday night who lives in area and he got it done.


  • #3064
    Peppa Cig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,005 ✭✭✭Peppa Cig


    Hello all,

    Thanks for thread. Scrolled through many pages.

    We are on blue line. Lots of activity on my road with KN Networks and Diffusion vans.

    They seem to be laying cable.

    Someone said it was only copper cable?

    Do you think this means we are going to get high speed internet....

    Is it likely to be FTTC or FTTH?

    Also do I read correctly that as we are locked in with Vodaphone we cannot avail without contract buyout? (Locked for another 12months)

    I assume KN activity means Eir and not Siro?

    Thanks for your advice. We are currently 1mb :(


  • #3065
    Gonzo
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,411 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    Peppa Cig wrote: »
    Hello all,

    Thanks for thread. Scrolled through many pages.

    We are on blue line. Lots of activity on my road with KN Networks and Diffusion vans.

    They seem to be laying cable.

    Someone said it was only copper cable?

    Do you think this means we are going to get high speed internet....

    Is it likely to be FTTC or FTTH?

    Also do I read correctly that as we are locked in with Vodaphone we cannot avail without contract buyout? (Locked for another 12months)

    I assume KN activity means Eir and not Siro?

    Thanks for your advice. We are currently 1mb :(

    You appear to be in the countryside so it would be a very good guess that the work carried out by KN and Diffusion is related to Eir's blue line FTTH project. Siro do not work in low density population rural locations. In relation to your contract, your contract could only have a few months left in it by the time your area goes live. When your exchange goes live is anyone's guess but there is a good deal of waiting involved, even after a road is wired up.


  • #3066
    KOR101
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,898 ✭✭✭KOR101


    Peppa Cig wrote: »
    Is it likely to be FTTC or FTTH?
    The blue lines will be all FTTH. If you are located in a town, it may be part of the FTTC rollout.


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  • #3067
    jones
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,209 ✭✭✭jones


    Grumpypants wrote: »
    It can be done from both overhead and underground. It should just come in the same spot as your current phone line. More important is if you are on a "blue line".

    Look for you house on this map. If a blue line goes past it then you are very likely going to be able to get it at some point. http://fibrerollout.ie/where-and-when/

    This is very helpful. I live on a cul de sac on a country road and currently have "fibre" - I say that as its only about 7/8mb its unlocked at the moment so speed fluctuates.

    The blue line on the map goes halfway up the cul de sac i live on. Of course i'm at the other end of the cul de sac though so i'm assuming that means i will not get the FTTH? Blue line stops about 300 metres from my house.

    Will i see any increase in speed if the houses on the first half of the lane are enabled?


  • #3068
    Peppa Cig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,005 ✭✭✭Peppa Cig


    Gonzo wrote: »
    You appear to be in the countryside so it would be a very good guess that the work carried out by KN and Diffusion is related to Eir's blue line FTTH project. Siro do not work in low density population rural locations. In relation to your contract, your contract could only have a few months left in it by the time your area goes live. When your exchange goes live is anyone's guess but there is a good deal of waiting involved, even after a road is wired up.

    Thank you for reply.

    I see a cable coiled at Eircom pole (ready to be dropped) outside my house this evening. Promising?

    Pole up 200m up road marked "DPL"?

    Does FTTH run on copper cable?


  • #3069
    Johnboy1951
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,084 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=102257512&postcount=2918

    Further update on this ....... my contact got his connection installed today.
    He did a brief check (no idea with what device) and got 140Mb/s down and a ping of 9ms.
    He had signed for 150Mb/s connection.

    He is delighted! as would I if I had anything like that!


  • #3070
    Peppa Cig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,005 ✭✭✭Peppa Cig


    KOR101 wrote: »
    The blue lines will be all FTTH. If you are located in a town, it may be part of the FTTC rollout.

    Located in rural area on blue line

    Thanks


  • #3071
    Grumpypants
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,233 ✭✭✭Grumpypants


    Peppa Cig wrote: »
    Thank you for reply.

    I see a cable coiled at Eircom pole (ready to be dropped) outside my house this evening. Promising?

    Pole up 200m up road marked "DPL"?

    Does FTTH run on copper cable?

    FTTH (fiber to the home) is all Fiber from the cabinet right into your house. This gives "up to" 1000mb/s

    FTTC (Fiber to the Cabinet) is a Fiber line to the cabinet and then it uses the old copper cable to get to your house. This usually gives about 7-12mb/s. But it will only reach about 2KM from the cabinet.

    If you are further than 2KM from the cabinet and on a blue line it will Likely be FTTH. I don't know of any plans to lay new copper cable for any part of the Fiber roll out plan.


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  • #3072
    Gonzo
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,411 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    Peppa Cig wrote: »
    Thank you for reply.

    I see a cable coiled at Eircom pole (ready to be dropped) outside my house this evening. Promising?

    Pole up 200m up road marked "DPL"?

    Does FTTH run on copper cable?

    that means they will be putting a slice box on the pole. The coil of cable will eventually be hidden behind the small black box. From that box they will run a fiber cable from the black box to your house and a number of other houses near it after you place an order.


  • #3073
    Peppa Cig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,005 ✭✭✭Peppa Cig


    Gonzo wrote: »
    that means they will be putting a slice box on the pole. The coil of cable will eventually be hidden behind the small black box. From that box they will run a fiber cable from the black box to your house and a number of other houses near it after you place an order.

    Sounds good. Thanks Gonzo


  • #3074
    rob808
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,391 ✭✭✭rob808


    There still no activity in summerhill don't know what the problem is it late january now hope to see something in February it a very slow rollout by Eir.I wouldn't like see them do NBP because they probably finish that by 2024.


  • #3075
    Johnboy1951
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,084 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    rob808 wrote: »
    There still no activity in summerhill don't know what the problem is it late january now hope to see something in February it a very slow rollout by Eir.I wouldn't like see them do NBP because they probably finish that by 2024.

    You base that on your experience in Summerhill? (wherever that might be)

    Lots of others around the country would dispute your assessment ;)


  • #3076
    rob808
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,391 ✭✭✭rob808


    Johnboy1951 wrote: »
    You base that on your experience in Summerhill? (wherever that might be)

    Lots of others around the country would dispute your assessment ;)
    well tell me what the problem is so far the rollout being very slow no update on map no dates on FTTC.Im happy to see other people getting FTTH but still disappointed about rollout so far.

    The rollout dates keep getting push back like what the hell early/mid 2017 is that like January / may or June.


  • #3077
    Johnboy1951
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,084 ✭✭✭✭Johnboy1951


    rob808 wrote: »
    well tell me what the problem is so far the rollout being very slow no update on map no dates on FTTC.Im happy to see other people getting FTTH but still disappointed about rollout so far.

    The rollout dates keep getting push back like what the hell early/mid 2017 is that like January / may or June.

    All dates were estimates which of their nature change as experience is gained and difficulties met and overcome.

    Just because some areas are more difficult than others does not mean that overall the roll out is slow.

    Information to the public is very lacking and is by no means kept up to date. That is eir's decision (or possibly lack of manpower in the right area?) and not something anyone here is privy to.

    So you might be peeved that your area is not being done at present, just as I am about my area, and others are about their areas, but none of that is indicative of a slow roll out overall.

    When we see the figures for 'premises passed' at the end of March we will know how far behind the roll out is from the estimates.
    Maybe it won't be behind at all, for all I know at this time.

    All of the above relates to FTTH ..... FTTC is discussed in a different thread.


  • #3078
    long_b
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    Not again folks... please!


  • #3079
    jd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,784 ✭✭✭jd


    Grumpypants wrote: »
    This usually gives about 7-12mb/s. But it will only reach about 2KM from the cabinet.
    .
    It's people at the edge of the range that get s speeds that low. I'd guess the average speed of those that have it is about 30-40 meg. Everyone in my apartment complex (200 or so apts) who has it gets 85-100.


  • #3080
    ItHurtsWhenIP
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,177 ✭✭✭ItHurtsWhenIP


    Grumpypants wrote: »
    FTTH (fiber to the home) is all Fiber from the cabinet right into your house. This gives "up to" 1000mb/s

    FTTC (Fiber to the Cabinet) is a Fiber line to the cabinet and then it uses the old copper cable to get to your house. This usually gives about 7-12mb/s. But it will only reach about 2KM from the cabinet.

    If you are further than 2KM from the cabinet and on a blue line it will Likely be FTTH. I don't know of any plans to lay new copper cable for any part of the Fiber roll out plan.

    Need to correct you on some of this.

    FTTH is fibre from the exchange to your house - it passes under any cabs. Cabs are only for provisioning FTTC.

    FTTC (VDSL) gives speeds of up to 100Mbps from a very nearby cab, which drops down to 7Mbps at 2KM from the cab. FTTC from an exchange (eVDSL) gives up to 70Mbps in close, which drops down to 7Mbps at 1.5KM from the exchange.


  • #3081
    blueser
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,736 ✭✭✭✭blueser


    I'm living in a rural location, 3 miles from the nearest town, which has two cabinets (both "live"), and the blue line is running down my road, past my house. What would be the reason for the delay in beginning the preparatory work for getting the cable out a far as me? The information on the rollout map is poor really. No indication a to when any given area will be completed.


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  • #3082
    Peppa Cig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,005 ✭✭✭Peppa Cig


    KOR101 wrote: »
    The blue lines will be all FTTH. If you are located in a town, it may be part of the FTTC rollout.

    Although we are rural (3 miles approx from exchange) and we are on blue line with no FTTC cabinets in vicinity (resulting in 2mb service) I have a few feeling that they are just installing a FTTC cabinet in the area and not gearing up for FTTH.

    Any way to determine which is being installed e.g if I see a green cabinet installed in vicinity it means they opted for FTTC?

    Overhead cables have been installed this week if they can provide any clues?

    Thanks


  • #3083
    Peppa Cig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,005 ✭✭✭Peppa Cig


    blueser wrote: »
    I'm living in a rural location, 3 miles from the nearest town, which has two cabinets (both "live"), and the blue line is running down my road, past my house. What would be the reason for the delay in beginning the preparatory work for getting the cable out a far as me? The information on the rollout map is poor really. No indication a to when any given area will be completed.

    We are in same situation and could not get a straight answer from anyone for the last few years (we are trying to operate a business from home).

    Suddenly they started work on cabling out of the blue last week with no indication online or via mapping. Even though cabling now in place it could still be 6 or 12 months before going live if I understand posts in this thread correctly.

    So from my experience it will come when it comes.


  • #3084
    ED E
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,170 ✭✭✭✭ED E


    Peppa Cig wrote: »
    Any way to determine which is being installed e.g if I see a green cabinet installed in vicinity it means they opted for FTTC?

    In 19 of 20 cases an exchange area listed for both FTTC and FTTH will see FTTC first. Doing it the other way around doesnt make sense.


  • #3085
    cnocbui
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,021 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    blueser wrote: »
    I'm living in a rural location, 3 miles from the nearest town, which has two cabinets (both "live"), and the blue line is running down my road, past my house. What would be the reason for the delay in beginning the preparatory work for getting the cable out a far as me? The information on the rollout map is poor really. No indication a to when any given area will be completed.

    You need to select the option on the right of the map that causes the map to display your nearest exchange - big green dot. Then if you mouse over the exchange, you will get a box showing your projected FTTH date.

    The delay is for similar reasons as to why Rome wasn't built in a day.


  • #3086
    plodder
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,771 ✭✭✭plodder


    ED E wrote: »
    In 19 of 20 cases an exchange area listed for both FTTC and FTTH will see FTTC first. Doing it the other way around doesnt make sense.
    What confuses me is that our area (Oldtown, North Dublin) has a blue circle saying "Fibre Broadband cabinet is planned for this location". That indicates FTTC, I think?

    However, when you click the "exchange status" it is dark green indicating fibre build commenced and the hover-over text says "Estimated date for first Live FTTH Fibre Services with speeds up to 1000Mb/s is early/mid 2017". So, that suggests FTTH (build commenced) is arriving ahead of FTTC (planned), as there is no mention of 100MB fibre services (FTTC presumably).

    I would question whether FTTC makes sense at all in our area, because pretty much the whole area covered by the local exchange (or RSU?) is also covered by the FTTH blue lines... Does this make sense?


  • #3087
    ED E
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,170 ✭✭✭✭ED E


    plodder wrote: »
    What confuses me is that our area (Oldtown, North Dublin) has a blue circle saying "Fibre Broadband cabinet is planned for this location". That indicates FTTC, I think?

    However, when you click the "exchange status" it is dark green indicating fibre build commenced and the hover-over text says "Estimated date for first Live FTTH Fibre Services with speeds up to 1000Mb/s is early/mid 2017". So, that suggests FTTH (build commenced) is arriving ahead of FTTC (planned), as there is no mention of 100MB fibre services (FTTC presumably).

    I would question whether FTTC makes sense at all in our area, because pretty much the whole area covered by the local exchange (or RSU?) is also covered by the FTTH blue lines... Does this make sense?

    If it is in fact an RSU then then its a bit of a mess that I suspect OpenEir have pushed to the very bottom of their lists. Cant get a definite indication that it is but at 190 lines its very very likely.

    We/Eir include eVDSL with FTTC as its the same VDSL2 tech but really FTTC is an incorrect term for exchange based services. Really you're not getting FTTC at all as you will have zero remote cabs.

    The current rack most probably wont accommodate the changes so I suspect OpenEir will be rebuilding. So your exchange will go from phone + ADSL to Phone, ADSL, VDSL, GPON(FTTH).

    Basically it should all happen almost simultaneously. Some homes within 1000m may only be offered FTTC and the further ones will get FTTH. It'll all be in the same rack.


  • #3088
    smiddyboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 116 ✭✭smiddyboy


    Does Anyone know why some exchanges are getting FTTH and others not?

    My local exchange has FTTC enabled (for 750 people according to the rollout website), and another town close by (Freshford) has FTTC (for 410 people) but has the blue lines for FTTH stretching a good way out the town in every direction with an estimated FTTH date for 2017/18.

    The fibre speed they are quoting me at the moment are slower than my current DSL speed.

    I live in Johnstown (at the edge of the town on the top right of the green marker!) on the map. Urlingford is connected to the Johnstown exchange but they are getting cabinets all through the town.

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  • #3089
    plodder
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,771 ✭✭✭plodder


    ED E wrote: »
    If it is in fact an RSU then then its a bit of a mess that I suspect OpenEir have pushed to the very bottom of their lists. Cant get a definite indication that it is but at 190 lines its very very likely.
    I think this is it. It's not clear, but it appears to have an Ericsson logo on it. There is also a green box further up the road on the green area. Not sure if that is relevant.

    https://www.google.ie/maps/@53.5282846,-6.312639,3a,60y,246.69h,79.66t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1swVivRjxLp5J4QZushhsDlA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1


  • #3090
    Gonzo
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 17,411 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    the Open Eir map has been updated. No date for Dunshaughlin, I don't see any other updates on dates either.

    new number of live premises added to some places. Crosshaven which was due to go live on 14th December has been delayed to 1st February.

    14th Dec:
    Crosshaven (delayed till 1st February)
    28th Dec:
    Belclare – 140 live
    Cornamona
    Turloughmore – 350 live
    2nd Jan:
    Roscommon Town – unknown

    4th Jan:
    Quigleys Point – 70 live

    11th Jan:
    Strandhill - 240 live

    18th Jan:
    Blessington – 40 live
    Duncannon – 100 live


    Rural Blue Lines
    Virginia 100
    Carlingford 290
    Ballyfarnan 360
    Belcarra 310
    Inverin 340
    Athboy 440
    Courtown 400
    Killinick 420
    Ballyboden 230
    Rahan 230
    Youghal 320
    Dungloe 340
    Ballyclough 40
    66 towns

    Bray 160
    Greystones 1840
    Balbriggan 1070
    Drogheda 1850
    Dundalk 100
    Cavan 2180
    Monaghan 760
    Sligo 2840
    Letterkenny 5570
    Castlebar 1330
    Sandyford 2870
    Wexford 3960
    Douglas 840
    Ballincollig 130
    Carrigaline 1270
    Tralee 1070
    Ennis 1650
    Naas 3830
    Kilkenny 3840

    Live FTTH premises passed to date: end of January 2017
    Urban towns: 37,000 live
    Rural blue lines: 4,760 live


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  • #3091
    ads20101
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,453 ✭✭✭ads20101


    smiddyboy wrote: »
    Does Anyone know why some exchanges are getting FTTH and others not?

    I have tried to find this out myself. It is probably based on population density, mixed with the type of infrastructure already in place, but to date I have not been able to get a straight answer.

    I would be reluctant to say that the process is random, but there are inconsistencies with the process.

    It is one of the great mysteries of our time http://b-static.net/vbulletin/images/smilies/confused.png


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